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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Jostein Hauge</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%0A%20%3D%3Fiso-8859-1%3Fq%3F%3D5BCooker%3D5D_Re%3D3A_Transparency_%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Fiso-8859-1%3Fq%3F%3D26_open_invitation%3D09to_a_united_foundation%3D2E%3D2E%3D3F_%3D5BW%3F%3D%0A%20%3D%3Fiso-8859-1%3Fq%3Fas%3D3A_forking_mandriva%3D5D%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3C201009212046.16466.post%40jhauge.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">post at jhauge.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Sep 21 20:46:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from +</I>><i> > the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken, +</I>><i> > from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices - +</I>><i> > and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly +</I>><i> > and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I +</I>><i> > don't see this over there at this time. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > blog post is empty to me). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I completly agree with this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management +</I>><i> anymore, I've lost any trust in them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Nicolas +</I> + +Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad +feelings you might have about the Mandriva company. + +If Laprévote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should +be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would +love a solution like Fedora-Redhat. + +The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make +to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between +Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate. + +When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could +indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration +possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like +a vendetta than a constructive initiative. + +Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :) + +- Jostein Hauge (jess) +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? 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