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+ <B>Jostein Hauge</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 20:46:12 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; company) would be a voice among others.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't see this over there at this time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; blog post is empty to me).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I completly agree with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas
+</I>
+
+Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad
+feelings you might have about the Mandriva company.
+
+If Lapr&#233;vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should
+be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would
+love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+
+The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make
+to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between
+Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+
+When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could
+indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like
+a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+
+Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
+
+- Jostein Hauge (jess)
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