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But he's packager of one of the offending +</I>><i> packages, and so inherited part of mdv heritage. +</I>><i> So I wrote a bug about it in order to pull maintainers in. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Every packager should be made aware of Implications of: +</I>><i> - suggests +</I>><i> - library requiring the tools they were created for +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's easy to add a suggest ("hey it'll just make the user experience better"), +</I>><i> but eventually the suggested package can start a cycles that will pull +</I>><i> quite a lot more packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> See <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4357#c5">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4357#c5</A> +</I>><i> systemd was initially pulling: +</I>><i> - the whole gtk+ stack, +</I>><i> - openldap, +</I>><i> - avahi, +</I>><i> - gamin, +</I>><i> - fuse, +</I>><i> - colord, +</I>><i> - gnome-keyring, +</I>><i> - seahorse, +</I>><i> - dirmngr +</I>><i> - python +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And none of it (but python) has actually to do with systemd. +</I>><i> It was just that required library actually suggest or requires another one +</I>><i> which also suggested or required ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Everyone should be concerned about that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I've broke some requires/suggest cycles, but I cannot do it alone, +</I>><i> everyone should contribute (and also should try not to introduce +</I>><i> new ones) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think that some of those "comfort" suggests should be moved +</I>><i> from some low level library or tool package to task-<desktop> +</I>><i> packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thus no I won't fix every issue. +</I>><i> People have to test install and have to get interested in reducing +</I>><i> size of install. +</I>><i> This is not a personal attack against Olav that does a good job. +</I>><i> That means for everyone to get in the implications of requires & +</I>><i> suggests. +</I>><i> Not looking only at that particular package but at the global view, +</I>><i> the installed system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Not all suggests will bloat installing from DVD as some won't make +</I>><i> it into the DVD image. But some will b/c they're required by other +</I>><i> packages and thus will succeed in being suggested. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Minimal install won't be as perfect as installing basesystem with urpmi +</I>><i> because of installer also pulling packages needed for HW (eg: LVM, +</I>><i> SMP, bluetooth, ...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At least for mga2, it's has been reduced. +</I>><i> But it could be more. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Also installing a desktop (GNOME & KDE) is huge these days. +</I>><i> Something should be made about it. +</I>><i> Maybe splitting task-{gnome,kde}-networking and the like and moving +</I>><i> them under CAT_NETWORK, CAT_OFFICE, CAT_GAMES, CAT_INTERNET, +</I>><i> CAT_MULTIMEDIA and the like in rpmsrate. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But this is the job of everyone. +</I>><i> Not just me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> My 2 cents +</I> +Thanks for your proposal. But anyway this is for Mageia 3. Could we +please calm down and focus again on coming release? We do have work +enough for everybody :) + +Cheers + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="013363.html">[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="013369.html">[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#13364">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#13364">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#13364">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#13364">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |