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+ <B>Balcaen John</B>
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+ <I>Fri Jan 6 18:54:23 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 6 janvier 2012 14:40:25, Johnny A. Solbu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Friday 06 January 2012 16:13, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The system has to be intelligent enough to know what is or is not an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; orphan.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We claim that it is not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; orphan packages are packages that were never directly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requested/installed; they're packages that got installed because they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; were requested or suggested by other packages that were explicitely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choosed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then why does it offer to remove packages that will Break the system, even
+</I>&gt;<i> if the package was never manually requested?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have experienced this my self, many years ago.
+</I>&gt;<i> Back when I had MDK 9.1 I was looking for an id3 tag editor, for mp3
+</I>&gt;<i> tagging. I installed one, tested it uninstalled it and tested a new one
+</I>&gt;<i> untill I found one that suited my needs. One of the packages i tested, and
+</I>&gt;<i> uninstalled, also wanted to uninstall _All_ of KDE in teh process, claming
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE was no longer required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obviously this bug have never really been looked at, or it would have been
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed long ago. Most likely this has not been reported as a bug, or the
+</I>&gt;<i> bug was not correctly resolved, possibly due to inadequate descrition of
+</I>&gt;<i> the bug.
+</I>The bug is not in urpmi but in the installer phase here.
+I guess when you did encounter that you just remove task-kde from your system,
+this one is pulling all kde deps, so when removed it's logical from urpmi to
+consider kde deps as orphans.
+Installer should install package like kdebase4-workspace, kdebase4-runtime etc
+etc so you can't face the same issue by removing task-kde for example.
+(Of course it's probably more easy &amp; they might be a reason to use task- in
+installer instead of specific package).
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+--
+Balcaen John
+Jabber-ID: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mikala at jabber.littleboboy.net</A>
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