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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .</H1>
+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . .">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com
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+ <I>Fri Jan 6 16:27:47 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 6 January 2012 16:13, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is just a bogus claim:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If some apps break after removing orphan packages, they'll break too
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> after manually removing such packages, meaning they lack some
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> requires...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, right, I'd not remove such packages manually - they were marked
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as orphans and removed by the function - which is my claim.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> To make it clear - my claim is that the orphan function marked
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> packages as orphans which are needed and which I'd never remove
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> manually. If you have a list of 100 &quot;orphans&quot; it is next to impossible
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for a normal user to sit down and check each and every package if it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is really an orphan (orphan in the sense of &quot;not needed&quot;).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I never say you manually removed them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again, if packages break after urpme --auto-orphans, they can break
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after manually removing packages, thus the issue is that those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages lacks requires on needed components.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, I see your reasoning, of course, if the packager forgot to name
+</I>&gt;<i> the requires then urpmi declares them as orphans. But then, to be
+</I>&gt;<i> safe, you have to forget about auto-orphans altogether because you can
+</I>&gt;<i> not be sure that all packagers did their homework.
+</I>
+You'll still break minimal install + manual choices.
+Those've to be fixed
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