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Sorry. +</I>>><i> I wish ardently that Xfce remains maintained. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I guess lots of people do. But history shown this is not enough. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let's suppose we keep xfce, despites being unmaintained. When people +</I>><i> report bugs, they will have no or few answers. They will not like and +</I>><i> complain. Maybe more than with a maintainer, maybe they will not care. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When there will be bugs, no one will step to fix them. So people who try +</I>><i> this will either say "this DE is buggy", or "this distribution is +</I>><i> buggy". +</I>><i> Then, likely sooner or later, someone will say "the DE work fine on +</I>><i> AnotherDistribution", so people will think "the distribution is buggy" +</I>><i> and switch to AnotherDistribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> While the outcome look the same ( ie, people leaving because there is no +</I>><i> package, or leaving because it is not working ), in one case, they will +</I>><i> switch by thinking "the distribution is not having what I want, but the +</I>><i> rest was working" and will not badmouth us. In the other case, they will +</I>><i> think "the distribution is buggy", and complain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So how ending like this would help us in the long run ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe that's just me, but each time I mentioned "I am doing package for +</I>><i> Mandriva" in the past 5 years, people kept explaining me that they faced +</I>><i> some bug dating back to mandrake 7.0 time, and that they switched +</I>><i> distributions and how they now live in a world filled with pink pony +</I>><i> giving them candy, yadayadayada. Besides being demotivating for me +</I>><i> ( cause my time travel machine is still not working ), this was hurting +</I>><i> the promotion of Mandriva. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Did someone ever heard "fedora is bad because they didn't ship Xfce at +</I>><i> the start". I never did, and I think everybody forgot it. I could surely +</I>><i> give several example on all distribution of missing packages and people +</I>><i> forgetting once the issue is fixed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So people are likely quicker to forget lack of packages than lack of +</I>><i> quality. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if we do not have the ressources to achieve quality packages, then +</I>><i> it is much more saner for us to choose the least damaging solution in +</I>><i> the long term, ie removing packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There was enough complains about Mandriva shipping buggy softwares, and +</I>><i> if as a community, we cannot increase work done to fix this ( we tried, +</I>><i> we even put 2 developers together to see if they mate and produce a 3rd +</I>><i> one to help us ), we do not have much others choice. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> For my part I participate in it as tester, +</I>>><i> where from my a little bit virulent reaction. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This place is also, I think, the only place where it is possible +</I>>><i> to have a dialogue with developers. +</I>>><i>  (except bugzilla, but bugzilla is more specific) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is lots of place to have a dialogue, be it on irc, in real life +</I>><i> and so on. And if some of us ( and me the first ) do not go on forums on +</I>><i> a frequent basis, there is various reasons that were already explained +</I>><i> in the past +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandrake.cooker.devel/305365">http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mandrake.cooker.devel/305365</A> ), +</I>><i> so I can only direct you to my previous answers as it is likely still +</I>><i> valid ( at least for me ). +</I> +><i>From time to time we do have different opinions especially wrt user's +</I>POV vs. devel's POV, but this time I agree in full to all points you +made. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="012140.html">[Mageia-dev] Qt-based software unusable under XFCE since almost 2 days +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="012114.html">[Mageia-dev] libavformat needs libavfilter needs libavformat +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#12143">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#12143">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#12143">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#12143">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |