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+ <H1>[Mageia-dev] latest kernels not powering off machines on shutdown</H1>
+ <B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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+ <I>Thu Aug 9 21:55:20 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 9 August 2012 21:51, Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But even since I know it has changed, 10 years habits had me typing
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> halt and then saying some bad words as it meant I would not be able to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> power it on again for a few days.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OK, how about a compromise, &quot;urpmi restore-broken-halt-command&quot; which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just contains a single file /etc/profile.d/99broken-halt-command.sh
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which contains:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alias halt=poweroff
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well my own machine already has halt='halt -p' since the day I lost it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like that :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What annoys me is that I don't see the point of changing the default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> behavior of a (quite important) command while the new default is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something people would only want to use in very rare cases and will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cause problems to most of them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, for me personally, I always prefer to fix things that are broken
+</I>&gt;<i> and not use history as an excuse for keeping broken behaviour.
+</I>
+I could counter argue that's a lame excuse for breaking existing documented
+behavior. Scores of people rely on that behavior.
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+What's more it's an established behavior in some communauties (eg: the kernel
+one) to not break usage for the purpose to fix things if it breaks
+existing apps or
+usage.
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+&gt;<i> It
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't take long to adapt to new commands and the people of the future
+</I>&gt;<i> will never need to learn the history behind why such a quirk exists.
+</I>
+And what about DMs that call &quot;halt&quot; ?
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+&gt;<i> Anyway, I very much do not want to patch systemd to change upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> behaviour here. If we have to work around it then someone who cares
+</I>&gt;<i> enough can create the package as I suggested above, or take the cause to
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream systemd and get them to change the behaviour.
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