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Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>>>><i> "More" +</I>>>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>>>><i> what we have +</I>>>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>>>><i> "simplicity", +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>>><i> : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I> +Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to +keep the current system? + +I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, +Tools, Tools->System submenus. +With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the +~7 you mention. + +><i> The study that estimates the number of chunks of information a normal human +</I>><i> can keep in working memory might be correct, but it's applied in a +</I>><i> completely unfitting situation here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Scanning a list of program names has nothing to do keeping chunks of info +</I>><i> in the brain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm pretty sure that if we make a survey among Mandriva users the majority +</I>><i> will be saying they don't like apps hidden behind "More" as it currently +</I>><i> happens, they would want them in the higher level with all the other apps +</I>><i> of the same type. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Every Mandriva user I know (regarless if a complete noob or an IT literate +</I>><i> person) finds the "More.." folder confusing and counterintuitive and +</I>><i> without any benefit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would actually think this is one of those things where a poll among users +</I>><i> would make sense, since it doesn't really have technical implications +</I>><i> either way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another solution would be to make it a configurable user preference, but of +</I>><i> course that would require someone to write the necessary code, so that's +</I>><i> not such an immediate solution as changing the config. +</I> +The code is mostly written (drakmenustyle) as it is already possible to +switch between mdv and kde/gnome menu styles, but it would be some work +to create the menu style itself. + +><i> BTW: can anyone tell me where exactly this "More" folder behaviour is +</I>><i> configured? +</I> +MDV menu style is in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu for KDE and +/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu for others. Upstream kde4 menu is in +/etc/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu. Upstream gnome menu is in +/etc/xdg/gnome/menus/applications.menu. + +I don't remember which script/config file is used to change the menu +style used, but this can be configured via drakmenustyle. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2793">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2793">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2793">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2793">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |