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<H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1>
<B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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<I>Thu Feb 24 19:30:56 CET 2011</I>
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<PRE>On 24.02.2011 18:57, Tux99 wrote:
><i>
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such
</I>>>><i> "More"
</I>>>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for
</I>>>><i> what we have
</I>>>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring
</I>>>><i> "simplicity",
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the
</I>>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of
</I>>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember
</I>>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot
</I>>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ).
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is
</I>>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one
</I>>><i> :
</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A>
</I>
Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to
keep the current system?
I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video,
Tools, Tools->System submenus.
With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the
~7 you mention.
><i> The study that estimates the number of chunks of information a normal human
</I>><i> can keep in working memory might be correct, but it's applied in a
</I>><i> completely unfitting situation here.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Scanning a list of program names has nothing to do keeping chunks of info
</I>><i> in the brain.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I'm pretty sure that if we make a survey among Mandriva users the majority
</I>><i> will be saying they don't like apps hidden behind "More" as it currently
</I>><i> happens, they would want them in the higher level with all the other apps
</I>><i> of the same type.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Every Mandriva user I know (regarless if a complete noob or an IT literate
</I>><i> person) finds the "More.." folder confusing and counterintuitive and
</I>><i> without any benefit.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I would actually think this is one of those things where a poll among users
</I>><i> would make sense, since it doesn't really have technical implications
</I>><i> either way.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Another solution would be to make it a configurable user preference, but of
</I>><i> course that would require someone to write the necessary code, so that's
</I>><i> not such an immediate solution as changing the config.
</I>
The code is mostly written (drakmenustyle) as it is already possible to
switch between mdv and kde/gnome menu styles, but it would be some work
to create the menu style itself.
><i> BTW: can anyone tell me where exactly this "More" folder behaviour is
</I>><i> configured?
</I>
MDV menu style is in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu for KDE and
/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu for others. Upstream kde4 menu is in
/etc/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu. Upstream gnome menu is in
/etc/xdg/gnome/menus/applications.menu.
I don't remember which script/config file is used to change the menu
style used, but this can be configured via drakmenustyle.
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Anssi Hannula
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