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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+ <I>Tue Aug 23 16:43:38 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 23 ao&#251;t 2011 &#224; 16:23 +0200, grenoya a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 23/08/11 15:44, Thierry Vignaud a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 21 August 2011 15:44, Colin Guthrie&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I do have to wonder why those macros are used... it seems quite trivial
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to use the actual commands directly and that ultimately increases
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; portability (which maybe isn't a major concern, but all the same)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; What are the general thoughts on this?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As a 12+ years maintainer of mdv/mdv/mga, I think most spec don't use those.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; They don't bring anything anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If only, we could standardize on the most usefull macros between distro at first
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (eg %make vs make %{?_smp_mflags})
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> '%foo' commands are wrappers.
+</I>&gt;<i> Like '%make' is a wrapper for &quot;make -j4&quot; (parralel compilation on 4 nodes)
+</I>&gt;<i> It can be quicker to build with the command, but in some cases (I met
+</I>&gt;<i> some) it brakes the build.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From my point of view (I am not packager since long) commands are great
+</I>&gt;<i> tools, it eases our work a lot :)
+</I>&gt;<i> So I agree with Tv: we should use them every time it is possible. At
+</I>&gt;<i> least the most commons.
+</I>
+the problem is that we are not sure when there is a wrapper, and when
+there is one and it doesn't nothing more, they obscure the fact that rpm
+is just a shell script + metadata. I think for some people, this look
+like magic :)
+
+So when the macro do something more, yes we need to use it.
+If not, and if we want to follow others distribution, we should take a
+look at their policy
+
+I found the one of Fedora on
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Macros">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Macros</A> , and
+basically, they say &quot;use rm rather than %{_rm}&quot;.
+
+If someone can find the one of Suse or others, that would help use to
+see if a consensus emerge
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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