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+ <B>andre999</B>
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+ <I>Mon Aug 8 06:28:28 CEST 2011</I>
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+<PRE>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le Dimanche 07 Ao&#251;t 2011 23:03:15 Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 07.08.2011 16:41, schrieb Pierre Jarillon:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 5 ao&#251;t 2011 16:23:19, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Am 05.08.2011 14:58, schrieb andre999:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Colin Guthrie a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think srm should just be a tool people use explicitly when they
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> want
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> When I think about it, deleting with a pattern instead of just zeros
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> probably only advantageous when a disk is being disposed of -- in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> case srm being a userspace tool is not a disadvantage.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Col
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well, if you want to dispose the disk, then i'd use something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dariks&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Boot and Nuke (DBAN):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.dban.org/">http://www.dban.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It offers really secure methods of overwriting your data with varying
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> patterns, and if you want to dispose a whole disk. then maybe an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> userspace tool to delete single
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> files is not the best suited tool, IMHO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Do you know WIPE ? <A HREF="http://wipe.sourceforge.net/">http://wipe.sourceforge.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know if it is the most secured rm, but it could be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, and it has the advantage that you don't need to reboot. Good point!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but more than the tool is how to replace rm command
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LD
+</I>
+I think it is useful to question WHY particular files should be securely deleted.
+
+For disposing of a disk, something like DBAN would be an excellent tool. (WIPE
+seems a little dated, since a lot of disk technology has changed since 2004.)
+
+For individual files, if the particular file should really be securely disposed
+of, then maybe training the users disposing of such files to use srm could be a
+useful approach. (There would likely be no point in securely deleting most files.)
+
+Then there is always the option of an administrator using srm on items in the
+trash folders on a regular basis. This could be done automatically by a shell
+script, if desired.
+
+A utility that periodically sanitizes free space could be useful, as well.
+
+Changes in the filesystem or the kernel seems the only reliable way to ensure
+consistantly securely deleting all (or all of a defined subset of) files.
+
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+Andr&#233;
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