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But as it is a worldwide project the probelm exists and +</I>>><i> pretending it does not makes no sense, not even from a theoretical +</I>>><i> POV. because the theoretical POV is "No SP, no discussion". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Ok, anyway. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I see the strategy in your proposition but: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. We know from the start that there ARE packages with software which +</I>>><i> is patented in some countries. So, the "let's start empty and see what +</I>>><i> comes up" is already done with. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Being patented does not mean that patent is valid and enforceable. +</I> +We should remember that patents are a civil right accorded by rules +differing from country to country. Many countries don't offer patents +on software. +Patent holders have to use the courts to enforce these rights, who often +deny or limit patent holder's claims. +So in addition to any theoretical rights of software patent holders, +there is the consideration "is it worth the money and effort for the +potential gain in royalties" ? +In that, free software (in both senses) has a considerable advantage +compared to other parties who could be considered in infringement of +software patents. + +>><i> 2. In some countries mirror maintainers can not wait until somebody +</I>>><i> raises his hand, there are lawyers who write nice "cease and desist" +</I>>><i> letters, attached is a bill you have to pay. In Germany this is called +</I>>><i> "Kostenpflichtige Abmahnung" and has grown to a habit of some +</I>>><i> lawyers. +</I>>><i> Meaning: you can't wait and see what happens, you have to make sure +</I>>><i> that it does not happen from the start. +</I> +"cease and desist" letters are just warnings. Any attached "bill" would +only have effect if validatated by a court. +As I understand, lawyers have the same habit in the U.S. +Wouldn't the amounts accorded be based on the supposed benefit that the +supposed violator has received ? (At least that is part of the equation +in the U.S.) + +And how does that translate for free software ? +In the U.S., software patent holders have avoided attacking targets +without a lot of financial resources. +The only Linux-associated target I recall is Novell. +Mpeg patents are pursued, but the several PLF mirrors in the U.S., with +openly indicated patented packages, are ignored. + +>><i> I mean, opinions about software patents set aside for a minute, +</I>>><i> software patents are protected by official law in those countries. You +</I>>><i> can not break the law on the basis of "let's see what happens". +</I> +Again, this is not "breaking the law", but potentially infringing on a +civil right. Which must be validated by the courts. + +><i> The problem is that we don't know for sure if we violate the law. We +</I>><i> should not be too paranoid about this. Microsoft claims that the Linux +</I>><i> kernel violates 235 of their patents : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm">http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/index.htm</A> +</I>><i> Should we trust them and remove the kernel from the core repository ? +</I> +Yes indeed. Off to "tainted" we go :) :) :) + +><i> I'm wondering how much mirror admins are concerned about patent issues. +</I> +In the U.S., not much, and with reason. Not even the PLF mirror sites +there are pursued. +Which is convenient for us in Canada : often the closest mirror is +across the border. + +><i> If we split the packages between core and "tainted" repositories, how +</I>><i> many will filter it ? +</I> +We all know that packagers don't have enough work. Don't we ? ;) + +><i> If only a few will do it, maybe it's not really +</I>><i> worth it and we can still have enough mirrors. It seems that Debian has +</I>><i> mirrors in many countries, while hosting patented software in its main +</I>><i> repository. +</I> +Including the U.S. +Interesting that Debian discussions about patent issues seem to focus on +what will be accepted in U.S. mirrors. Who have yet to be impacted on +patent issues. +It seems that the few spectactular cases against rich players in the +U.S. has distorted the perception of the legal reality there. + +- André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001693.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001694.html">[Mageia-dev] Mirror layout +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1695">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1695">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1695">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1695">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |