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New +</I>><i> > versions of OpenLDAP should be stay available in the backports +</I>><i> > repository, not as an automatic available upgrade. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, for example like OpenLDAP it is not a problem, because only users that +</I>><i> need it will install it, and those that might need it are most likely aware +</I>><i> what it implies to upgrade it to a newer version. So it will not bother +</I>><i> other users if it is in backports or even updates, because as they won't +</I>><i> have it installed, they won't be proposed to update. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is more of a concern for things like cups or dbus, which most users will +</I>><i> use without knowing it, and won't know how to fix if it breaks (not even +</I>><i> knowing which package actually broke). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > What do we do in the case where a new version of some software is +</I>><i> > > available, and has been sent to cooker? How do we decide whether it +</I>><i> > > should go to backports or not? And for which releases? +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > (FYI, for Mandriva users can typically request backports in bugzilla or +</I>><i> > > on IRC, but we may need better means). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Ok, first at all, we must deicide what packages (not all of them!) will +</I>><i> > be at the Rolling Ligth model. After that, all this packages must have +</I>><i> > an appropriate path. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't understand what you mean by "appropriate path". +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, if we are talking about a new model, I think we need to redefine what will be the way that's Mageia offer these particular (Rolling Light) packages. I'm not closed to any method in particular. + +><i> I think we should not decide before hand what packages will be backported, +</I>><i> we should maybe have a (short) list of packages that must not be backported +</I>><i> (like glibc) and then have backports either when contributors are willing to +</I>><i> make (and test) them, or on request. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe we could also have a (short also) list of packages that we should +</I>><i> really try (the packaging team could decide to dedicate some of his +</I>><i> resources to that) to backport to the latest stable release, and maybe the +</I>><i> previous latest. +</I>><i> Such packages would be for example firefox or OOo, packages that we know are +</I>><i> used by many (most) users, and many users are likely to want a newer +</I>><i> version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Anyway, after decide what packages will be in the Rolling Light, The OS +</I>><i> > must be gentle with the user and show a Window with a Message like that: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > There are available a new version of Firefox(as an example). Do you want +</I>><i> > to install it? NO, Maybe Later, Show me more information, Yes +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A little OT, but: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Dialog windows should (almost) never have yes/no or ok/cancel choices, +</I>><i> because when an user see a yes/ok choice, he generally interpret it as "yes, +</I>><i> I want to keep on doing what I was doing". (and I know I have done it some +</I>><i> times myself) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In your example, the No/yes should be labelled something like "keep current +</I>><i> version" and "install new version". +</I>><i> +</I> +Ok, as more clear options, as it will be better. + +><i> +</I>><i> cheers +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Renaud Michel +</I>><i> +</I> +Regards from Mexico +-- +Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>> +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001231.html">[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001232.html">[Mageia-dev] Q: how long should we able to upgrade from? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1235">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1235">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1235">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1235">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |