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<H1>[Mageia-dev] How will be the realese cycle?</H1>
<B>Fernando Parra</B>
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<I>Sat Oct 16 18:00:22 CEST 2010</I>
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<PRE>On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:52:27 +0200
Renaud MICHEL <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">r.h.michel+mageia-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>> wrote:
><i> Hello
</I>><i> On samedi 16 octobre 2010 at 05:00, Fernando Parra wrote :
</I>><i> > > On Friday, 15 October 2010 03:48:56 Fernando Parra wrote:
</I>><i> > > So, we must "dumb down" everything, and not provide openldap backports
</I>><i> > > for people running servers who want a convenient way to run the
</I>><i> > > software version that will allow them to file bugs upstream (OpenLDAP
</I>><i> > > team doesn't respond to bugs filed on non-current releases)?
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Specially here the answer is obvious: The novice doesn't now what is
</I>><i> > OpenLDAP! and maybe he wont hear about it for the rest of his life. New
</I>><i> > versions of OpenLDAP should be stay available in the backports
</I>><i> > repository, not as an automatic available upgrade.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Well, for example like OpenLDAP it is not a problem, because only users that
</I>><i> need it will install it, and those that might need it are most likely aware
</I>><i> what it implies to upgrade it to a newer version. So it will not bother
</I>><i> other users if it is in backports or even updates, because as they won't
</I>><i> have it installed, they won't be proposed to update.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> It is more of a concern for things like cups or dbus, which most users will
</I>><i> use without knowing it, and won't know how to fix if it breaks (not even
</I>><i> knowing which package actually broke).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > > What do we do in the case where a new version of some software is
</I>><i> > > available, and has been sent to cooker? How do we decide whether it
</I>><i> > > should go to backports or not? And for which releases?
</I>><i> > >
</I>><i> > > (FYI, for Mandriva users can typically request backports in bugzilla or
</I>><i> > > on IRC, but we may need better means).
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > Ok, first at all, we must deicide what packages (not all of them!) will
</I>><i> > be at the Rolling Ligth model. After that, all this packages must have
</I>><i> > an appropriate path.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I don't understand what you mean by "appropriate path".
</I>><i>
</I>
Well, if we are talking about a new model, I think we need to redefine what will be the way that's Mageia offer these particular (Rolling Light) packages. I'm not closed to any method in particular.
><i> I think we should not decide before hand what packages will be backported,
</I>><i> we should maybe have a (short) list of packages that must not be backported
</I>><i> (like glibc) and then have backports either when contributors are willing to
</I>><i> make (and test) them, or on request.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Maybe we could also have a (short also) list of packages that we should
</I>><i> really try (the packaging team could decide to dedicate some of his
</I>><i> resources to that) to backport to the latest stable release, and maybe the
</I>><i> previous latest.
</I>><i> Such packages would be for example firefox or OOo, packages that we know are
</I>><i> used by many (most) users, and many users are likely to want a newer
</I>><i> version.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> > Anyway, after decide what packages will be in the Rolling Light, The OS
</I>><i> > must be gentle with the user and show a Window with a Message like that:
</I>><i> >
</I>><i> > There are available a new version of Firefox(as an example). Do you want
</I>><i> > to install it? NO, Maybe Later, Show me more information, Yes
</I>><i>
</I>><i> A little OT, but:
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Dialog windows should (almost) never have yes/no or ok/cancel choices,
</I>><i> because when an user see a yes/ok choice, he generally interpret it as "yes,
</I>><i> I want to keep on doing what I was doing". (and I know I have done it some
</I>><i> times myself)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> In your example, the No/yes should be labelled something like "keep current
</I>><i> version" and "install new version".
</I>><i>
</I>
Ok, as more clear options, as it will be better.
><i>
</I>><i> cheers
</I>><i> --
</I>><i> Renaud Michel
</I>><i>
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Regards from Mexico
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Fernando Parra <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>>
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