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But the plans were +not precise because people did not have the time to plan it minutely :) + +So this project WILL have a public governance as stated on "New grounds" +chapter on <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A> + +Having a self-proclaimed board (made of the core people on whom the +distribution used to rely for building and realease roadmaps) for the +first year while we try to make our beloved distribution survive is +something i consider neither illogical not illegitimate :) + +So even if the board is not precisely named i can guess a number of +names that could appear in the list without shocking me :) + +If you're old enough in mandrake/mandriva i think you can even have a +better gess :) + +><i> I believe that the old worker of Mandriva are the most activs. But it +</I>><i> is not very false when person like Mahteus (or me), are feeling a +</I>><i> problem. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't doubt that the governance of the project is not null ... But +</I>><i> we, others of "who maintain the list", we don't see anything. +</I>><i> +</I>Well it's all over again the myth of the one-month-child :) + +(For those who do not know about this "myth" think about this : while +one woman can have a baby in nine months, with nine women you'll never +be able to have a baby in one month ^^) + +At the moment there are a very little number of "babies" : the build +system (highest priority, requires money from the donations), the web +servers ( lower priority because we have temporary replacement sites +like the blog and the root website ) + +These "babies" we cannot put many womens to have them... that would make +no sense to send zillions of people to bring servers in a datacenter +(and the datacenter owner would not let many enter)... same thing for +servers (even if there will be 5 or 6 in the build system) install and +configuration : a handful of sysadmins are enough for that... having a +man per keyboard key would not speed up things you can trust me :) + +And before physical and software install, the design of global +architecture and proof of concept made on sandbox machines cannot be +charged on more than 2 or 3 guys :) + +That's just common sense... :) + +><i> Who is actually the captain, or most contributers ? +</I>><i> +</I>Actually we have ennael whom i consider the person currently nearest +from this idea of "captain". But at the moment, to find a place in a +datacenter, design the future build system and install a handful of rack +servers we cannot parallelize more i guess :) + +And those who work on these tasks know perfectly what to do (i would bet +on that) so they do not need a "captain" + +Later, the infrastructure, once up and running, will allow many people +to work simultaneously. Please just give people time to set up this +first stone of the building :) + +><i> Who is the team who decide the rules like : to put TXT format and not +</I>><i> HTML format in the mail of the list ? Or to speak only in english ? Or +</I>><i> to do only RPM and not DEB ? This 3 late days, I have only seen this +</I>><i> kind of movement. +</I>><i> +</I>For the first that's just a rule shared by every opensource project i +know... it's just common sense again : many people do use pure text mail +readers like mutt or pine... if you send html people will see rubbish +full of <div><div><span><ul><li><i><b><a +href="<A HREF="http://blahblah.blah/page">http://blahblah.blah/page</A>">link to +read</a></b></i></li><ul></span></div></div><table><th><td>something +else to read</td><tr><td>.... + +And for people who use mobile mail readers, html makes emails soooo +sloooow to download :-( + +For english it's again common sense as english is the lowest common +denominator for communications, hence it's a de-facto standard used in +every big opensource community :) + +><i> +</I>><i> So, I think I (and a lot of others) will take more confidence in this +</I>><i> project if certain person said what they do. +</I>><i> +</I>That imho can be said without big concern... + +><i> +</I>><i> We have a wiki for write what each can do. But we have nothing for +</I>><i> "institute" what will be done, when, and who do what ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just a first question : when and where will be done the first meeting +</I>><i> of the foundation in France ? I want participate, I will take a day of +</I>><i> holidays in my company for the creation and write of the statuts of +</I>><i> this foundation. But, it seems that someone is back the decision, and +</I>><i> now, actually, I don't see who (or which group). +</I>><i> +</I>What foundation ? Afaik Mageia will rely on a not-for-profit dedicated +organization. Not a foundation iirc. + +><i> Mageia will not survive if you make the sames mistake of the last +</I>><i> managers of Mandriva. For me it was : decision in dark and no +</I>><i> visibility to the community. +</I>><i> +</I>At the moment all the more or less important decisions have been voted +and discussed on these lists afaik (Cauldron name, logo...) + +(Setting up a build system is not really a decision as we cannot work +without it. It's just rough and hard work to prepare it on sandbox +machines while waiting to have a place in a datacenter... and enough +money to buy the real servers) + +><i> This community is not only maked from hard-coders for fun ... but also +</I>><i> people not exclusively technicians but can bring a lot to a community +</I>><i> (which I also learned to make ABAP / java / Ada95 10 years ago, but +</I>><i> now, I am no more exactly in this job ... and can give a little part +</I>><i> of me). +</I>><i> +</I>Well as said by many your (mine also i hope) and every volunteer help is +most welcome but just now at this precise minute the tasks that can be +processed are not so many and they take a fair amount of time to +complete... those involved probably sleep little and work as hard as +they can. + +Once this phase is finished i guess that many more people will be able +to get in and contribute :) + +Please do not make things harder for those who work on the critical path +and more unbearable the time for those who are waiting :-( + +Maât + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000372.html">[Mageia-dev] A comparison of forum software from a security POV +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000374.html">[Mageia-dev] So? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#373">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#373">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#373">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#373">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |