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We have seen +</I>>><i> this from many OSS firms who went through this process. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How do you assess that it is the name that do not work and that's not +</I>><i> anything else ? +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> We should be careful in making the distro too "cottagey" or "home grown" +</I>>><i> in looks and flavour. I would suggest that the long term vision for the +</I>>><i> distro also include a commercial aspect. There should be a community +</I>>><i> driven distro and a commercial distro (read server). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I fear that this scheme does look like too much the one that caused +</I>><i> problem in the past within Mandriva community, with contradictions +</I>><i> between the community nature and the more commercial version. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> How would you ensure that the community version will not be seen as a +</I>><i> cheap version of the commercial one ? How would you prevent this idea +</I>><i> from destroying again the community like it did by the past ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If theses questions are not solved, I think all attempts to redo the +</I>><i> mistakes of the past are bound to recreate the failures of the past. +</I>><i> And I think that none of us think that's a desirable outcome. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All people who I asked the question said that the only solution is to +</I>><i> have 2 different names and brandings. +</I>><i> Redhat do it, and it work fine from them. +</I>><i> Novell do it, and it work fine. +</I>><i> Canonical do it ( to a lesser extend , since there was +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/375345</A> ), and it work +</I>><i> fine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Even debian based distro used a different name ( progeny, etc ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We didn't for Mandriva, and so started the confusion between the +</I>><i> company, the distribution and the community. And so people didn't +</I>><i> contribute because it was a business, and the idea that "updates were +</I>><i> not free" stick around for a long time because it was hard to explain to +</I>><i> people the different concept +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So if there is a business or commercial version, I think this would +</I>><i> requires a different name and branding. Using the association name for +</I>><i> that would not be right, in my opinion. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Good points. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> However, we are lucky in that are just at the start of organizing the +</I>><i> community and it gives us the luxury of trying to plan a rational growth +</I>><i> path for the distro. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Mageia is starting off from the community end of things. We should then +</I>><i> be looking at models where communities have grown from that end then. A +</I>><i> good example that I can think of is the Moodle application where it +</I>><i> started out as a community driven project and its commercial end is now +</I>><i> doing quite well. The planning for the commercial end came a little +</I>><i> after the Moodle community became popular and the commercial end +</I>><i> followed. Their logo and name are quite known now in educational +</I>><i> circles, both on the community OSS side and the corporate side. This +</I>><i> assures the community a little more financial independence with +</I>><i> support coming from the corporate side. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It may be to our benefit to see if some similar growth models could be +</I>><i> applied to Mageia. +</I> + +I 100% agree with Michael, Mageia the foundation and the distro should +NOT have any commercial involvement, that's not how it was intended as +far as I understand the objectives on the mageia.or home page and that's +definitely not what i want to be involved in. + +Of course anyone (including community members) is free to create a +separate for profit distro under a different name that is based on +Mageia, but the name Magei should NEVER be associated with a commercial +distro. + +Debian should be our only example to follow in this respect. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-dev] Art, Logo and Branding +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#187">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#187">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#187">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#187">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |