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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+ <I>Tue May 1 00:45:36 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi Florian,
+
+&gt;<i> Am 27.04.2012 20:27, schrieb Florian Hubold:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; just wanted to drop a note that Release Notes needs an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; update for the newly added, really beautiful and partly animated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia E17 themes, made by Agust, which can be seen at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2061">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2061</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I could do a draft, but i'd prefer if that could be done by someone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who's more used to marketing'ish / advertising writing stuff,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because i totally suck at that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; An important point is that those themes are for now
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exclusive to Mageia, and created by a Mageia user, who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; recently joined forces with artwork team, IIRC.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uhmm - ping?
+</I>&gt;<i> As release is approaching, we should get release notes ready.
+</I>
+Thanks for the heads-up - not sure why everyone's gone silent, but I'll
+be getting stuck into this in the next day or two.
+
+&gt;<i> /OT: Are there some mageia shirts left over from previous events?
+</I>
+If there are any, Anne or Oliver might know - they're all in Europe, if
+so.
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V
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+Tue May 1 08:43:54 EST 2012
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+<PRE>On 22/04/12, Patricia Fraser:
+&gt;<i> Hi guys,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hard disk crashed yesterday, so if anyone sent mails to me in the
+</I>&gt;<i> last 24 hours - please resend!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>Hi Trish
+
+I am replying to your email later than I would have done for various
+reasons.
+
+I am having my own hard disk problems at the moment, well partitions
+really. Something wrong with the partition table. I also can't just put
+my data easily on a external hard disk at the moment and start over for
+example.
+
+I could try fixing the partition table, but things are in quite a mess
+let's put it that way, so on the verge of completely starting over.
+It's been over a week now as well with these issues, but for various
+reasons haven't just been able to start over.
+
+I can boot up Windows XP properly, but not a Linux distro, and I can't
+just go and install one again either, so I am stuck using Live CD's at
+the moment or Windows when using this computer, until I move data off
+this computer's hard disk that I want to keep, to some where else, so I
+can completely start over with the partition table.
+
+I could try fixing the partition table, but I am going to completely
+start over.
+
+I think you didn't read a email I sent about Saturday 19th May:
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-April/000856.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-April/000856.html</A>
+
+I had this idea to do a time line type talk, how and why I got
+interested in Mageia, how I got involved and when things happened, and
+about Mageia itself, however there isn't really time for all of that in
+only 5 minutes.
+
+I am starting to get some LUG interest in Mageia and that seems to be
+going quite well so far :).
+
+Someone gave me some suggestions for the talk from the LUG as well :).
+For example how every word I say has to be relevant, and basically how I
+should plan for four minutes, then try and cut stuff down as well.
+
+Oliver sent me a slide show of a talk he did about Mageia.
+
+I would like some proper help from Mageia marketing and communications
+team people to plan this talk properly, but also with a slide show, and
+even with the website description, however it seems that quite a few
+people have disappeared on us.
+
+It's a 5 minute talk, and since I am going to be going there to
+officially represent the Mageia project, I want to make sure that I am
+doing so properly. To some extent I will also be representing the LUG I
+guess, because I am down as being from the LUG on the website when it
+comes to the group. So another reason why this talk should be done properly.
+
+The person from the LUG basically suggested that I need to say what
+makes Mageia good when compared to other distros, and well indeed at
+that, but what makes it so good really when compared to other distros?
+
+Obviously when compared to many other distributions the control centre,
+but what else?
+
+I think my talk should basically be, introducing myself as a Mageia
+contributor, introducing Mageia, more information about Mageia such as
+what makes it good for many users, and an ending.
+
+I also plan to put some contact details into the talk itself or at least
+the slide show. For example I would like to tell people that they can
+follow me on Identica a alternative to Twitter where I spread interest
+in Mageia and that mainly has people interested in Linux using it.
+Probably something about IRC channels as well.
+
+I think keywords in the talk should be we and our, because I'll be
+talking officially. I also think I should introduce myself officially.
+Something like: &quot;Good afternoon my name is Sebastian and I am the
+Mageia marketing and communications team deputy leader, and a member of
+the artwork and documentation teams.&quot;
+
+Or something like &quot;Good afternoon my name is Sebastian and I am the
+Mageia marketing and communications team deputy leader, and a member of
+the artwork and documentation teams. I also run Freenode IRC channels
+for the Linux distribution such as Mageia UK and Mageia Social, and help
+to spread interest in Mageia on Identica a open alternative to Twitter
+with mainly Linux users using it.&quot;
+
+Or maybe something like: &quot;Good afternoon my name is Sebastian and I am a
+Linux enthusiast who decided to get involved with Mageia a fork of the
+commercial Mandriva Linux distribution, which goes back to 1998 when it
+was called Mandrake. Mageia is a 100% community distribution, with a non
+profit organisation behind it, and everyone who contributes is a
+volunteer, and I am the Mageia marketing and communications team deputy
+leader, and a member of the artwork and documentation teams. On
+September 18th 2010 it was announced that ex Mandriva employee's and
+other contributors were going to fork Mandriva into Mageia. Mageia 1 was
+released on the 1st of June last year, and our second version was
+released on Tuesday of this week. I also run Freenode IRC network
+channels for the project such as Mageia UK and Mageia Social.&quot;
+
+At the beginning of the talk I think I should introduce myself, say
+what Mageia is and how it's a fork of Mandriva and why it forked, and
+when the announcement of Mageia was and when the first and second
+release was.
+
+There are various ways I could say it's a fork and something about that,
+but how do you think I should do it? Another example is this: &quot;On
+September 18th 2010 it was announced on the Mageia website, that some ex
+Mandriva employee's and other contributors were going to fork Mandriva
+into a 100% community distribution with a non profit organisation behind
+it, because Edge-IT a company working on Mandriva got liquidated and
+many former employee's got laid off as a result.&quot; Remember I only got 5
+minutes and wouldn't really want to say to much about the fork and it
+could use valuable time if I am doing that.
+
+What about FOSDEM and our AGM and that kind of thing? Should I say
+something like this for example? &quot;Mageia goes to events and our main
+event is FOSDEM where our AGM happens as well&quot;. Or something like this
+even? &quot;Mageia has a presence at events and our main event is when
+contributors go to Brussels, because of FOSDEM. We have our AGM at
+FOSDEM for example.&quot;
+
+I think it's a good idea to say something like: &quot;Mageia may still be
+quite a new Linux distribution, but we do have developers who contribute
+to upstream projects, for example our Gnome maintainer is on the
+upstream Gnome release team, and our Pulseaudio maintainer develops it
+upstream.&quot;
+
+I think it may be a good idea to say something about contributing and
+teams, and the council and the board, and how that works, and how each
+year people vote on who they would like to have as the team leader and
+deputy leader, and that kind of thing? In the slide show Oliver sent me
+there's a diagram that tries to explain that, however also one that may
+need some updating if going to be used. Probably should also say in the
+talk that Mageia has a few founders, but maybe add something in about
+them not really having a special status as such as a result, because in
+Mageia we treat people equally? I think the votes system for teams is
+worth mentioning for sure, because I like the idea of mentioning it and
+then saying how as a result it doesn't matter if someone was there from
+the beginning or not, they can join a team and possibly end up leading
+it n the future even, which I think is good.
+
+When it comes to the organisation might be worth saying that it's a
+French non profit organisation, but Mageia is a international project so
+contributors from loads of different countries.
+
+Also when it comes to releases it may be worth saying something like
+&quot;Mageia 1 was released with Gnome 2.32 and KDE 4.6 with XFCE and LXDE
+available in the repos when KDE 4.6 was quite new as well, and Mageia 2
+has a recent Linux kernel and Gnome 3.4 and KDE 4.6 and XFCE and LXDE is
+available in the repos as well.&quot; I think maybe something quick to do
+with that, but nothing to long, since everyone in the audience as far as
+I know won't be using a Desktop Linux distro as their operating system
+of choice, even though the audience in general will be quite technical.
+
+P.S
+
+To anyone who reads this message before Saturday 19th May 2012, please
+provide suggestions for the talk :).
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+ <I>Tue May 8 13:38:45 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Because it's so close to release and there's still LOTS to do, we must
+meet this week. So I can be there, I'd like to call it for 09:00 UTC on
+Wednesday 9 May - that will be Wednesday 19:00 in eastern Australia.
+
+Please make every effort to be there!
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V
+-35.67896, 142.66637
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+I'll be there at the time you suggested.
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+(xposted on mageia-webteam and mageia-marketing, I'll track answers on
+both lists)
+
+I'm working on a few changes on the Web site:
+
+ a. (related to below) a new global top navbar, that's consistent
+across all mageia.org; a preview is available here:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1</A> ; documentation for
+using/spreading it is available here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/_nav/">http://www.mageia.org/_nav/</A> ;
+improvements brought by this new design:
+ - it's consistent and can be consistently deployed and updated in
+all mageia.org sites and apps (using the javascript snippet);
+ - it embeds the Mageia project logo, so branding is consistent too;
+ - it structures and highlights how the mageia.org Web at large is organized.
+
+ b. (related to above) a more obvious site map, a preview is available
+here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1</A> ; there are several
+(new) sections here that are not ready/do no exist yet; and parts of
+the existing contents need to be reorganized; but this will give you
+an idea; it's the Community and Contribute sections that need a lot of
+thought and work; the site map is organized in 6 sections:
+ - About Mageia (learning about the project and NPO - that's the
+institutional part of the site)
+ - Downloads (learning about and getting the software, updates, etc.)
+ - Support
+ - Community (what's happening, who is in this project, what are the
+tools at hand)
+ - Contribute (what one can do in the project)
+ - You (one's user account and facilities with Mageia)
+
+ c. as introduced above, a new Community section with its own home
+page (mageia.org/community or shorthand mageia.org/coop or ?): that's
+where contributors and active users will want to go for what's in the
+community, who is there, doing what, and what can be done; this
+section's landing page is to summarize news (blog, planet, calendar),
+activities (forum, bugzilla, buildsystem, teams reports)
+
+ d. change how people get to mageia.org:
+ 1. the home page of www.mageia.org will focus and provide a single
+major call to action: get Mageia; with a few, lower contrast other
+actions (more info, contribute). Preview here:
+<A HREF="http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png">http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png</A> (not on par with Mageia bg design, I'm
+still not sure how to integrate it properly); the rationale is:
+ - most people coming to www.mageia.org/ leave quickly;
+ - for (most) new/casual visitors, we tell them the main story:
+download and use Mageia;
+ - for other visitors, with a goal, we propose them shortlinks
+to: Support, Community and About Mageia.Org sections
+
+ 2. loading the browser in Mageia currently sends you to
+start.mageia.org which in turn redirects to www.mageia.org; I'd like
+to change that so that start.mageia.org goes to
+www.mageia.org/community/
+ 3. given these changes, in the new navigation bar, clicking on the
+logo/home position would not redirect to the c.1. home (which is
+targetted to fresh/new visitors) neither /community, but to /map which
+provides a large, top-view of what's available in mageia.org Web site.
+That's quite a change from usual navigation practices (although it is
+used sometimes), and I'm not 100% confident yet, but I think it's
+worth trying something a bit different.
+
+
+There's still a lot of improvements in this (and other topic not
+reached here, such as www pages layout in general), and I suspect some
+of the proposed changes above won't make it for some people.
+
+Among other noticeable, shipped changes:
+ - rewritten <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/</A> to better introduce the
+whole section;
+ - added <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/constitution/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/constitution/</A>
+ - consolidated code for <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/</A>
+ - consolidated code for the downloads (in the background, still need
+to articulate 1 and 2 pages and listings)
+ - download redirector page
+(<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-rc-i586-DVD.iso&amp;torrent=1&amp;testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/get/?q=Mageia-2-rc-i586-DVD.iso&amp;torrent=1&amp;testnav=1</A>
+for instance) has room for two major call for action, once the
+download is running (those would be: 1) what to do with the file once
+download is complete, and 2) how to contribute back to the project ?)
+
+Quick feedback welcome, so I can know what can be shipped for 2
+official release or not.
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+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i> (xposted on mageia-webteam and mageia-marketing, I'll track answers on
+</I>&gt;<i> both lists)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm working on a few changes on the Web site:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a. (related to below) a new global top navbar, that's consistent
+</I>&gt;<i> across all mageia.org; a preview is available here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1</A>
+</I>Nice idea, but doesn't' look quite right to me, however I assume its
+just a draft preview anyway.
+&gt;<i> ; documentation for
+</I>&gt;<i> using/spreading it is available here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/_nav/">http://www.mageia.org/_nav/</A> ;
+</I>&gt;<i> improvements brought by this new design:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's consistent and can be consistently deployed and updated in
+</I>&gt;<i> all mageia.org sites and apps (using the javascript snippet);
+</I>&gt;<i> - it embeds the Mageia project logo, so branding is consistent too;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it structures and highlights how the mageia.org Web at large is organized.
+</I>If I understand correctly the navigation bar is meant to be used by
+other Mageia websites as well not just <A HREF="http://magiea.org">http://magiea.org</A> ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> b. (related to above) a more obvious site map, a preview is available
+</I>&gt;<i> here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1</A>
+</I>Looks good to me :).
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> d. change how people get to mageia.org:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. the home page of www.mageia.org will focus and provide a single
+</I>&gt;<i> major call to action: get Mageia; with a few, lower contrast other
+</I>&gt;<i> actions (more info, contribute). Preview here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png">http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png</A>
+</I>Looks good to me :).
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. loading the browser in Mageia currently sends you to
+</I>&gt;<i> start.mageia.org which in turn redirects to www.mageia.org; I'd like
+</I>&gt;<i> to change that so that start.mageia.org goes to
+</I>&gt;<i> www.mageia.org/community/
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. given these changes, in the new navigation bar, clicking on the
+</I>&gt;<i> logo/home position would not redirect to the c.1. home (which is
+</I>&gt;<i> targetted to fresh/new visitors) neither /community, but to /map which
+</I>&gt;<i> provides a large, top-view of what's available in mageia.org Web site.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's quite a change from usual navigation practices (although it is
+</I>&gt;<i> used sometimes), and I'm not 100% confident yet, but I think it's
+</I>&gt;<i> worth trying something a bit different.
+</I>I think I understand this. A new potential user is likely to start on
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org.">http://mageia.org.</A> Usually when a logo is put on a website as part of
+the design it will link back to the homepage, but instead you would like
+it to link to the map page, which I think makes sense.
+
+Then when people are using Mageia you would like Firefox for example to
+open up a contributing to the community page by default, rather than the
+homepage or map which I think makes sense, because ideally we would want
+loads of our users to contribute to it as well.
+
+I have my own request for the website, please mention Identica on the
+website again, and I would suggest having it link to the Mageia group,
+because I make sure important news gets shown there and so on.
+<A HREF="http://identi.ca/group/mageia">http://identi.ca/group/mageia</A>
+
+In fact if you got access to the group settings, can you please make me
+an admin of the group, so that I can clear out fake accounts.
+
+Also can you please upload a better logo, because the one that is
+currently there something is wrong with it apparently.
+
+Also ideally Mageia should have people on all the social networking
+sites where Mageia has a presence taking them seriously promoting
+Mageia, so yep Diaspora really as well, which you should probably also
+mention on the <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A> website.
+
+Also ideally the <A HREF="http://identi.ca/mageia">http://identi.ca/mageia</A> account should send the news to
+the group. Diaspora with another program can send to Identica, and
+Identica can send directly to Twitter. Then I think Twitter can send to
+Facebook as well some how.
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Romain,
+
+&gt;<i> a. (related to below) a new global top navbar, that's consistent
+</I>&gt;<i> across all mageia.org; a preview is available here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1</A> ; documentation for
+</I>&gt;<i> using/spreading it is available here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/_nav/">http://www.mageia.org/_nav/</A> ;
+</I>&gt;<i> improvements brought by this new design:
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's consistent and can be consistently deployed and updated in
+</I>&gt;<i> all mageia.org sites and apps (using the javascript snippet);
+</I>&gt;<i> - it embeds the Mageia project logo, so branding is consistent too;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it structures and highlights how the mageia.org Web at large is
+</I>&gt;<i> organized.
+</I>
+I like this much better than the current front page. The only thing I&#180;d
+add is a Blog link on the Navbar, that takes you to the blog page, and
+some additional text up near the top to take visitors to the downloads
+page to get the current release.
+
+I like the site map being linked to the logo on the navbar - what about
+some alt text on the logo so mouseover tells you that&#180;s where it will
+go?
+
+&gt;<i> b. (related to above) a more obvious site map, a preview is available
+</I>&gt;<i> here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1</A> ; there are several
+</I>&gt;<i> (new) sections here that are not ready/do no exist yet; and parts of
+</I>&gt;<i> the existing contents need to be reorganized; but this will give you
+</I>&gt;<i> an idea; it's the Community and Contribute sections that need a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> thought and work; the site map is organized in 6 sections:
+</I>&gt;<i> - About Mageia (learning about the project and NPO - that's the
+</I>&gt;<i> institutional part of the site)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Downloads (learning about and getting the software, updates,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Support
+</I>&gt;<i> - Community (what's happening, who is in this project, what are the
+</I>&gt;<i> tools at hand)
+</I>&gt;<i> - Contribute (what one can do in the project)
+</I>&gt;<i> - You (one's user account and facilities with Mageia)
+</I>
+I&#180;d like to look at this in the next 24 hours, and come back to you
+with more ideas.
+
+&gt;<i> c. as introduced above, a new Community section with its own home
+</I>&gt;<i> page (mageia.org/community or shorthand mageia.org/coop or ?): that's
+</I>&gt;<i> where contributors and active users will want to go for what's in the
+</I>&gt;<i> community, who is there, doing what, and what can be done; this
+</I>&gt;<i> section's landing page is to summarize news (blog, planet, calendar),
+</I>&gt;<i> activities (forum, bugzilla, buildsystem, teams reports)
+</I>
+Do you have anything made up here, or do you want input?
+
+&gt;<i> d. change how people get to mageia.org:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. the home page of www.mageia.org will focus and provide a single
+</I>&gt;<i> major call to action: get Mageia; with a few, lower contrast other
+</I>&gt;<i> actions (more info, contribute). Preview here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png">http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png</A> (not on par with Mageia bg design, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> still not sure how to integrate it properly); the rationale is:
+</I>&gt;<i> - most people coming to www.mageia.org/ leave quickly;
+</I>&gt;<i> - for (most) new/casual visitors, we tell them the main story:
+</I>&gt;<i> download and use Mageia;
+</I>&gt;<i> - for other visitors, with a goal, we propose them shortlinks
+</I>&gt;<i> to: Support, Community and About Mageia.Org sections
+</I>
+I think the design decision you&#180;ve made here is fine. If it&#180;s too
+similar to the rest of the website, there won&#180;t be any obvious reason
+to have it; it should stand out.
+
+You might add a link to the main site, in that list along the bottom,
+or maybe to the site map.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. loading the browser in Mageia currently sends you to
+</I>&gt;<i> start.mageia.org which in turn redirects to www.mageia.org; I'd like
+</I>&gt;<i> to change that so that start.mageia.org goes to
+</I>&gt;<i> www.mageia.org/community/
+</I>
+Yes!
+
+&gt;<i> 3. given these changes, in the new navigation bar, clicking on the
+</I>&gt;<i> logo/home position would not redirect to the c.1. home (which is
+</I>&gt;<i> targetted to fresh/new visitors) neither /community, but to /map which
+</I>&gt;<i> provides a large, top-view of what's available in mageia.org Web site.
+</I>&gt;<i> That's quite a change from usual navigation practices (although it is
+</I>&gt;<i> used sometimes), and I'm not 100% confident yet, but I think it's
+</I>&gt;<i> worth trying something a bit different.
+</I>
+I&#180;m of your opinion here, and I like it very much; it&#180;s easy to change
+if the feedback is negative. If nobody else objects too strenuously, I
+think it&#180;s worth trying.
+
+&gt;<i> There's still a lot of improvements in this (and other topic not
+</I>&gt;<i> reached here, such as www pages layout in general), and I suspect some
+</I>&gt;<i> of the proposed changes above won't make it for some people.
+</I>
+What we in the marcom team need most is for you to tell us what you
+need us to write - it would be very good to know that ASAP, because
+anything we write should be passed to the i18n team by Wednesday next,
+so they can translate in time for release.
+
+Cheers!
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+<PRE>Hi folks,
+
+Seb and I have started an Etherpad here:
+<A HREF="http://bn.parinux.org/p/5VmTPqQ5BQ">http://bn.parinux.org/p/5VmTPqQ5BQ</A>
+
+Come on over and add your piece!
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+Cheers,
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+
+&gt;<i> Just in case it can help you in your task of promoting Mageia 2, here
+</I>&gt;<i> is a link to get a comparison between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * new packages are in green background
+</I>&gt;<i> * updated packages in white background
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This shows source packages. The &quot;show only applications&quot; and &quot;regular
+</I>&gt;<i> packages&quot; led me to some SQL errors I must investigate, so meanwhile
+</I>&gt;<i> I advise to not use them on this page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The group filter should work fine, for example here is the same page
+</I>&gt;<i> for games only:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C20%2C64%2C10%2C30%2C46%2C74%2C1/source/1">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C20%2C64%2C10%2C30%2C46%2C74%2C1/source/1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (It's still a demo instance for Mageia App Db, it's not running on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia servers yet)
+</I>
+I am thinking about adding a link to madb in the Blog post for release
+- what do you think?
+
+Cheers!
+
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+<PRE>On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 11:59 PM, Sebastian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">sebsebseb_mageia at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;a. (related to below) a new global top navbar, that's consistent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> across all mageia.org; a preview is available here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice idea, but doesn't' look quite right to me, however I assume its just a
+</I>&gt;<i> draft preview anyway.
+</I>
+Please be more specific, because it's this very design is planned for
+the release.
+
+&gt;<i> If I understand correctly the navigation bar is meant to be used by other
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia websites as well not just <A HREF="http://magiea.org">http://magiea.org</A> ?
+</I>
+All websites under mageia.org domain at least, yes.
+
+(for the identica thing, could you open a bug? so we can forward it to
+the right person then. I don't have the access and it's not my focus
+right now)
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+<PRE>On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:00 AM, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;a. (related to below) a new global top navbar, that's consistent
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> across all mageia.org; a preview is available here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1</A> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like this much better than the current front page. The only thing I&#180;d
+</I>&gt;<i> add is a Blog link on the Navbar, that takes you to the blog page, and
+</I>&gt;<i> some additional text up near the top to take visitors to the downloads
+</I>&gt;<i> page to get the current release.
+</I>
+Hmmm how would integrate that? the blog/news sub-section is in the
+About and the Community sections.
+
+&gt;<i> I like the site map being linked to the logo on the navbar - what about
+</I>&gt;<i> some alt text on the logo so mouseover tells you that&#180;s where it will
+</I>&gt;<i> go?
+</I>
+Right. Fixed, will be in the next update.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;b. (related to above) a more obvious site map, a preview is available
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1</A> ; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#180;d like to look at this in the next 24 hours, and come back to you
+</I>&gt;<i> with more ideas.
+</I>
+Feel free! :-p
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;c. as introduced above, a new Community section with its own home
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> page (mageia.org/community or shorthand mageia.org/coop or ?) [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have anything made up here, or do you want input?
+</I>
+Just this ... sort of a draft, not ready at all:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/community/.">http://www.mageia.org/en/community/.</A> I'm dry here for now.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;d. change how people get to mageia.org:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;1. the home page of www.mageia.org will focus and provide a single
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> major call to action: get Mageia; with a few, lower contrast other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> actions (more info, contribute). Preview here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png">http://i.imgur.com/nDlwK.png</A> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You might add a link to the main site, in that list along the bottom,
+</I>&gt;<i> or maybe to the site map.
+</I>
+Right.
+
+&gt;<i> What we in the marcom team need most is for you to tell us what you
+</I>&gt;<i> need us to write - it would be very good to know that ASAP, because
+</I>&gt;<i> anything we write should be passed to the i18n team by Wednesday next,
+</I>&gt;<i> so they can translate in time for release.
+</I>
+For now, unless I remove those:
+ - make sure the very home page texts are ok;
+ - two pages, one for presenting Mageia 2 (and, in general, all
+versions) benefits for desktops, and one for benefits for servers;
+along the models of <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/for-you/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/for-you/</A> but even
+better, of <A HREF="http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/features/">http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/features/</A>
+ - post-download 2 calls to action: how to install/use Mageia + how to
+help/contribute
+ - the support section/pages will need a rewrite, but that's something else;
+ - whatever you feel need to be added.
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;a. (related to below) a new global top navbar, that's consistent
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; across all mageia.org; a preview is available here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/?testnav=1</A> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like this much better than the current front page. The only thing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I&#180;d add is a Blog link on the Navbar, that takes you to the blog
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; page, and some additional text up near the top to take visitors to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the downloads page to get the current release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmmm how would integrate that? the blog/news sub-section is in the
+</I>&gt;<i> About and the Community sections.
+</I>
+Now that I look at it again, I don't think I'd add the additional text
+- the downloads button is enough, if we're using the new front page.
+
+If we could have alt texts to the navbar buttons, it would reduce the
+need for an extra news or blog button - maybe take the list of links
+from the sitemap, so for Community, you'd have an alt text saying Blog,
+Planet, Calendar, Mail lists... and so on. WDYT?
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; I like the site map being linked to the logo on the navbar - what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about some alt text on the logo so mouseover tells you that&#180;s where
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it will go?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right. Fixed, will be in the next update.
+</I>
+Neat, looks good.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;b. (related to above) a more obvious site map, a preview is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; available here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1">http://www.mageia.org/fr/map/?testnav=1</A> ; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I&#180;d like to look at this in the next 24 hours, and come back to you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with more ideas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free! :-p
+</I>
+Overall I like it a lot!
+
+There are 2 Mailing List items in the Community section of the sitemap.
+Is there a way (maybe not just now, but at some stage) to integrate the
+mailing list info into a single page so there's a single link?
+
+About You needs some more explanation; the Mageia Identity Management
+page doesn't explain what it's about, so that needs a front page with
+explanations, and then a link from there to MIM. Maybe it all belongs
+under Contribute?
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#160;c. as introduced above, a new Community section with its own home
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; page (mageia.org/community or shorthand mageia.org/coop or ?) [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you have anything made up here, or do you want input?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just this ... sort of a draft, not ready at all:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/community/.">http://www.mageia.org/en/community/.</A> I'm dry here for now.
+</I>
+So, this is the place where Oliver's brain-child will be accessible,
+yes? Link to the wiki page for communities, info about who to contact,
+any applicable forums...?
+
+&gt;<i> For now, unless I remove those:
+</I>&gt;<i> - make sure the very home page texts are ok;
+</I>
+Navbar page looks fine; so does the text on the image for the start
+page.
+
+&gt;<i> - two pages, one for presenting Mageia 2 (and, in general, all
+</I>&gt;<i> versions) benefits for desktops, and one for benefits for servers;
+</I>&gt;<i> along the models of <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/1/for-you/">http://www.mageia.org/en/1/for-you/</A> but even
+</I>&gt;<i> better, of <A HREF="http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/features/">http://www.mandriva.com/en/linux/features/</A>
+</I>
+Ok, it's on the list.
+
+&gt;<i> - post-download 2 calls to action: how to install/use Mageia + how to
+</I>&gt;<i> help/contribute
+</I>&gt;<i> - the support section/pages will need a rewrite, but that's
+</I>&gt;<i> something else;
+</I>&gt;<i> - whatever you feel need to be added.
+</I>
+We'll look at these once the release texts are done.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Stormi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just in case it can help you in your task of promoting Mageia 2, here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is a link to get a comparison between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * new packages are in green background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * updated packages in white background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This shows source packages. The &quot;show only applications&quot; and &quot;regular
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages&quot; led me to some SQL errors I must investigate, so meanwhile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I advise to not use them on this page.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The group filter should work fine, for example here is the same page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for games only:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C20%2">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C20%2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; C64%2C10%2C30%2C46%2C74%2C1/source/1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (It's still a demo instance for Mageia App Db, it's not running on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia servers yet)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am thinking about adding a link to madb in the Blog post for release
+</I>&gt;<i> - what do you think?
+</I>
+It would be good if madb was on mageia.org servers, but right now this is
+only a demo version so I'm not sure we should get users accustomed to the
+current URL.
+
+I sure would like such a highlight on the project, but I'm not sure we're
+ready for it technically either (performance issues, especially on that
+page).
+
+So better copy the result, make it a static page somewhere on wiki or other
+location.
+
+Also, the list of &quot;applications&quot; is not comprehensive, some applications are
+wrongly seen as technical packages currently, so you need the &quot;show all
+packages&quot; filter, which doesn't work on mageia.madb.org currently. I fixed the
+issues that prevented the page from showing when there are many packages on
+a dev instance. It's still slow but at least it works.
+Here is a link: <A HREF="http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0">http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0</A>
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 mai 2012 09:03:29, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 14 mai 2012 12:55:48, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Stormi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Just in case it can help you in your task of promoting Mageia 2, here
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; is a link to get a comparison between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * new packages are in green background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * updated packages in white background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This shows source packages. The &quot;show only applications&quot; and &quot;regular
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; packages&quot; led me to some SQL errors I must investigate, so meanwhile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I advise to not use them on this page.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The group filter should work fine, for example here is the same page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; for games only:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C20">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C20</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; %2 C64%2C10%2C30%2C46%2C74%2C1/source/1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (It's still a demo instance for Mageia App Db, it's not running on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia servers yet)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am thinking about adding a link to madb in the Blog post for release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be good if madb was on mageia.org servers, but right now this is
+</I>&gt;<i> only a demo version so I'm not sure we should get users accustomed to the
+</I>&gt;<i> current URL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I sure would like such a highlight on the project, but I'm not sure we're
+</I>&gt;<i> ready for it technically either (performance issues, especially on that
+</I>&gt;<i> page).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So better copy the result, make it a static page somewhere on wiki or
+</I>&gt;<i> other location.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the list of &quot;applications&quot; is not comprehensive, some applications
+</I>&gt;<i> are wrongly seen as technical packages currently, so you need the &quot;show
+</I>&gt;<i> all packages&quot; filter, which doesn't work on mageia.madb.org currently. I
+</I>&gt;<i> fixed the issues that prevented the page from showing when there are
+</I>&gt;<i> many packages on a dev instance. It's still slow but at least it works.
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is a link: <A HREF="http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0">http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+On second thought, I might be able to solve the performance issue with some
+caching, so it the fact that it's a demo instance and not the final one is
+not a blocker, then why not.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 mai 2012 09:10:48, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 mai 2012 09:03:29, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 14 mai 2012 12:55:48, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Stormi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Just in case it can help you in your task of promoting Mageia 2,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; here is a link to get a comparison between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * new packages are in green background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * updated packages in white background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; This shows source packages. The &quot;show only applications&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;regular packages&quot; led me to some SQL errors I must investigate,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; so meanwhile I advise to not use them on this page.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; The group filter should work fine, for example here is the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; page for games only:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; 20 %2 C64%2C10%2C30%2C46%2C74%2C1/source/1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; (It's still a demo instance for Mageia App Db, it's not running on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia servers yet)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am thinking about adding a link to madb in the Blog post for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; release - what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would be good if madb was on mageia.org servers, but right now this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is only a demo version so I'm not sure we should get users accustomed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to the current URL.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I sure would like such a highlight on the project, but I'm not sure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we're ready for it technically either (performance issues, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on that page).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So better copy the result, make it a static page somewhere on wiki or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; other location.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also, the list of &quot;applications&quot; is not comprehensive, some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; applications are wrongly seen as technical packages currently, so you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need the &quot;show all packages&quot; filter, which doesn't work on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia.madb.org currently. I fixed the issues that prevented the page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from showing when there are many packages on a dev instance. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still slow but at least it works. Here is a link:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0">http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On second thought, I might be able to solve the performance issue with
+</I>&gt;<i> some caching, so it the fact that it's a demo instance and not the final
+</I>&gt;<i> one is not a blocker, then why not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And I can make the list of applications really comprehensive rather easily.
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+<PRE>On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40 AM, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If we could have alt texts to the navbar buttons, it would reduce the
+</I>&gt;<i> need for an extra news or blog button - maybe take the list of links
+</I>&gt;<i> from the sitemap, so for Community, you'd have an alt text saying Blog,
+</I>&gt;<i> Planet, Calendar, Mail lists... and so on. WDYT?
+</I>
+Not sure, will try this tomorrow.
+
+&gt;<i> There are 2 Mailing List items in the Community section of the sitemap.
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there a way (maybe not just now, but at some stage) to integrate the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list info into a single page so there's a single link?
+</I>
+I believe so, but that's more in sysadmin basket.
+
+&gt;<i> About You needs some more explanation; the Mageia Identity Management
+</I>&gt;<i> page doesn't explain what it's about, so that needs a front page with
+</I>&gt;<i> explanations,
+</I>
+This can be on the very landing page of identity.m.o actually; it
+needs some work (contributions/ideas welcome).
+
+&gt;<i> Maybe it all belongs under Contribute?
+</I>
+What belongs there? The whole &quot;You&quot; section is of interest when we
+build on the identity.m.o or a directory of contributors (who does
+what, what teams/groups are there, doing what, etc.).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/community/.">http://www.mageia.org/en/community/.</A> I'm dry here for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, this is the place where Oliver's brain-child will be accessible,
+</I>&gt;<i> yes? Link to the wiki page for communities, info about who to contact,
+</I>&gt;<i> any applicable forums...?
+</I>
+Yes.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 15 mai 2012 09:12:15, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 15 mai 2012 09:10:48, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 15 mai 2012 09:03:29, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le lundi 14 mai 2012 12:55:48, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Stormi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Just in case it can help you in your task of promoting Mageia 2,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; here is a link to get a comparison between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; * new packages are in green background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; * updated packages in white background
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/source/1/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; This shows source packages. The &quot;show only applications&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &quot;regular packages&quot; led me to some SQL errors I must investigate,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; so meanwhile I advise to not use them on this page.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; The group filter should work fine, for example here is the same
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; page for games only:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C">http://mageia.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0/group/78%2C</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 20 %2 C64%2C10%2C30%2C46%2C74%2C1/source/1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; (It's still a demo instance for Mageia App Db, it's not running on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia servers yet)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I am thinking about adding a link to madb in the Blog post for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; release - what do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; It would be good if madb was on mageia.org servers, but right now this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; is only a demo version so I'm not sure we should get users accustomed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to the current URL.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I sure would like such a highlight on the project, but I'm not sure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; we're ready for it technically either (performance issues, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; on that page).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So better copy the result, make it a static page somewhere on wiki or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; other location.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Also, the list of &quot;applications&quot; is not comprehensive, some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; applications are wrongly seen as technical packages currently, so you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; need the &quot;show all packages&quot; filter, which doesn't work on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mageia.madb.org currently. I fixed the issues that prevented the page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; from showing when there are many packages on a dev instance. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; still slow but at least it works. Here is a link:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0">http://dev2.madb.org/package/comparison/application/0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On second thought, I might be able to solve the performance issue with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some caching, so it the fact that it's a demo instance and not the final
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one is not a blocker, then why not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I can make the list of applications really comprehensive rather easily.
+</I>
+Ok, I added cache, which was long due and really improves performances, so I'm
+rather confident about it now. It's not propagated yet to mageia.madb.org but
+it will in the coming days. I'll update the applications list.
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Please check both the Etherpad <A HREF="http://bn.parinux.org/p/5VmTPqQ5BQ">http://bn.parinux.org/p/5VmTPqQ5BQ</A> and
+the Sandbox <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marketing_sandbox.">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marketing_sandbox.</A>
+
+Proposed texts are in place for the blog post and for the press
+release; texts for the website will follow.
+
+These texts must go to i18n tomorrow - please check and edit/add
+suggestions on the Etherpad, leaving the current version on the
+Sandbox.
+
+PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THE SANDBOX - it's our check version in case we
+need to revert anything changed on the Etherpad.
+
+I'd really appreciate any time you can give to help - it needs many eyes on it
+to make sure it's as good as it can be.
+
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+to add.
+
+On 16 May 2012 14:44, &quot;Patricia Fraser&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+Hi all,
+
+Please check both the Etherpad <A HREF="http://bn.parinux.org/p/5VmTPqQ5BQ">http://bn.parinux.org/p/5VmTPqQ5BQ</A> and
+the Sandbox <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marketing_sandbox.">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marketing_sandbox.</A>
+
+Proposed texts are in place for the blog post and for the press
+release; texts for the website will follow.
+
+These texts must go to i18n tomorrow - please check and edit/add
+suggestions on the Etherpad, leaving the current version on the
+Sandbox.
+
+PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THE SANDBOX - it's our check version in case we
+need to revert anything changed on the Etherpad.
+
+I'd really appreciate any time you can give to help - it needs many eyes on
+it
+to make sure it's as good as it can be.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <B>Max Quarterpleen</B>
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+I saw this post on the forum:
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428</A>
+It looks like while we weren't looking someone decided that there aren't
+enough external resources devoted to Mageia to warrant a full page on
+Wikipedia.
+Now I know that that isn't true. There have been many articles, blog posts
+and discussions about Mageia, some of them even on reliable and respected
+websites.
+I think that the Marcom team should collect a list of all Mageia-related
+articles and blog posts. Many of them have been referenced on the forum.
+Then take this list and wave it in the faces of the Wikipedia Powers That
+Be and ask nicely, then demand, that they undelete the page.
+Seriously. Right before we release a new version is not a good time for our
+Wikipedia page to be deleted.
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+
+&gt;<i> Hi guys
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw this post on the forum:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like while we weren't looking someone decided that there
+</I>&gt;<i> aren't enough external resources devoted to Mageia to warrant a full
+</I>&gt;<i> page on Wikipedia.
+</I>&gt;<i> Now I know that that isn't true. There have been many articles, blog
+</I>&gt;<i> posts and discussions about Mageia, some of them even on reliable and
+</I>&gt;<i> respected websites.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that the Marcom team should collect a list of all
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-related articles and blog posts. Many of them have been
+</I>&gt;<i> referenced on the forum. Then take this list and wave it in the faces
+</I>&gt;<i> of the Wikipedia Powers That Be and ask nicely, then demand, that
+</I>&gt;<i> they undelete the page. Seriously. Right before we release a new
+</I>&gt;<i> version is not a good time for our Wikipedia page to be deleted.
+</I>
+I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for a
+new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+
+The ES and PL versions are still up on their respective Wikipediae, so
+I'll check them for content.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+
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+
+On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for a
+</I>&gt;<i> new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is completely
+</I>open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+different either.
+
+But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
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+
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is completely
+</I>&gt;<i> open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+</I>&gt;<i> it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+</I>&gt;<i> to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+</I>&gt;<i> different either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+</I>&gt;<i> and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+</I>&gt;<i> sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+</I>&gt;<i> independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah. I don't think we can quote our own site as a good source.
+The 'about' Mageia on Distrowatch is pretty OK.
+Here are a couple of articles I remember seeing, there are probably more.
+<A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html</A>
+<A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+
+
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rda at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is completely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah. I don't think we can quote our own site as a good source.
+</I>&gt;<i> The 'about' Mageia on Distrowatch is pretty OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are a couple of articles I remember seeing, there are probably more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A quick Google search also turned up these gems:
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html</A>
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+<PRE>Hello everybody,
+
+As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+
+I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to discuss how
+to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of mageia which was recently
+excluded.
+
+The page of Mageia in wkipedia (in english) has been deleted in May 13, 2012.
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
+
+The report of the decision here:
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia</A>
+
+I mentioned this in the F&#243;rum Mageia, topic &quot;Re: mageia information
+(wikipedia):&quot;
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065</A>
+
+I'm worried because many people will look for information about mageia next
+week, when the Mageia 2 is released, and I really like the wikipedia and I think
+an important source of information for everyone who wants to learn more about
+Mageia,
+
+I suggest create a page &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; in Mageia Wiki: (
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2</A> ) and I would like request the
+reactivation of the page mageia in wikipedia.
+
+There are two pages with news about mageia:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press</A>
+
+In category of the &quot;press&quot;:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press</A>
+
+I think it is necessary to create a page about Mageia2_Press, or Mageia_2_Press.
+
+As As the suggestion of Romain:
+
+Em sex 18 mai 2012, &#224;s 09:59:10, Romain d'Alverny escreveu:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Macxi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it is necessary to create a category &quot;Press&quot; and create a page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about Mageia2_Press
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just added the category. For the page, name it &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia 2 Press Review&quot; (with a space before the version).
+</I>
+Cheers
+Macxi
+
+Re: Welcome, and feel free to introduce yourself
+Postby macxi &#187; May 24th, '11, 21:50
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907</A>
+
+***********************
+
+On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;bogusman222 at
+gmail.com&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rda at mageia.org&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;trish at thefrasers.org&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is completely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah. I don't think we can quote our own site as a good source.
+</I>&gt;<i> The 'about' Mageia on Distrowatch is pretty OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are a couple of articles I remember seeing, there are probably more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A quick Google search also turned up these gems:
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html</A>
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+<PRE>Hello everybody,
+
+As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+
+I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to discuss how
+to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of mageia which was recently
+excluded.
+
+The page of Mageia in wkipedia (in english) has been deleted in May 13, 2012.
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
+
+The report of the decision here:
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia</A>
+
+I mentioned this in the F&#243;rum Mageia, topic &quot;Re: mageia information
+(wikipedia):&quot;
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065</A>
+
+I'm worried because many people will look for information about mageia next
+week, when the Mageia 2 is released, and I really like the wikipedia and I think
+an important source of information for everyone who wants to learn more about
+Mageia,
+
+I suggest create a page &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; in Mageia Wiki: (
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2</A> ) and I would like request the
+reactivation of the page mageia in wikipedia.
+
+There are two pages with news about mageia:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press</A>
+
+In category of the &quot;press&quot;:
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press</A>
+
+I think it is necessary to create a page about Mageia2_Press, or Mageia_2_Press.
+
+As As the suggestion of Romain:
+
+Em sex 18 mai 2012, &#224;s 09:59:10, Romain d'Alverny escreveu:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Macxi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it is necessary to create a category &quot;Press&quot; and create a page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about Mageia2_Press
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just added the category. For the page, name it &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia 2 Press Review&quot; (with a space before the version).
+</I>
+Cheers
+Macxi
+
+Re: Welcome, and feel free to introduce yourself
+Postby macxi &#187; May 24th, '11, 21:50
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907</A>
+
+***********************
+
+On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;bogusman222 at
+gmail.com&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rda at mageia.org&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;trish at thefrasers.org&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is completely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah. I don't think we can quote our own site as a good source.
+</I>&gt;<i> The 'about' Mageia on Distrowatch is pretty OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are a couple of articles I remember seeing, there are probably more.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>A quick Google search also turned up these gems:
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html</A>
+</I>
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+<PRE>Hi Macxi,
+
+&gt;<i> As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+</I>
+Welcome!
+
+&gt;<i> I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss how to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia which was recently excluded.
+</I>
+We need to make a new one, and I&#180;ve begun one as a private page but
+haven&#180;t got any material on it yet; so if you&#180;ve got a Wikipedia login
+and you have time to do it, we can all work with you.
+
+Thanks for creating the Press page - this is for putting links to
+reviews and articles, yes?
+
+We have a space on the Marcom page for links to press so we can send
+out press releases about Mageia 2; you could maybe take a look at that
+list and see if you can suggest some more?
+
+For the Wikipedia page, here are some links (you probably already have):
+
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html</A>
+</I>
+Cheers!
+
+--
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+ <B>Macxi</B>
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+<PRE>Patricia,
+
+Thanks for the welcome.
+
+Before, I apologize for broken threads. I configured wrong when I subscrevei
+marcom list so I have not received your email this. I'm answering this because I
+copied from the internet:
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-May/000890.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-May/000890.html</A>
+
+Yes, you can create the page again, but if you like before, it will be deleted
+again.
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review</A>
+
+I saw the page Mageia (en) which was deleted in googlecach and I saved it on my
+computer and it helps give an idea of &#8203;&#8203;how to modify and improve the deleted
+page.
+
+I make available a copy of it through a link from the dropbox:
+
+<A HREF="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/wikipedia/Mageia-EN-wikipedia.html">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/wikipedia/Mageia-EN-wikipedia.html</A>
+
+I re-edited the text of the deleted page.
+I can copy this text there and create the page again, but someone has to help
+edit it to get better, to prevent it is not deleted again.
+
+It is necessary to correct the &quot;reference notes&quot; in the text, which are
+disabled, I could not because I do not know how
+
+Cheers
+Macxi
+
+*******************************************
+
+
+
+{{Infobox OS|
+|<i> name = Mageia
+</I>|<i> logo = [[Image:Mageia Logo.png|150px|Mageia Logo]]
+</I>|<i> screenshot = [[Image:Mageia_1.png|250px|Mageia 1 Desktop]]
+</I>|<i> caption = Screenshot of Mageia 1 with KDE SC 4.6
+</I>|<i> developer = Mageia.org
+</I>|<i> family = [[Unix-like]]
+</I>|<i> working_state = Current
+</I>|<i> source_model = [[Free_and_open_source_software|Free and open source software]]
+</I>|<i> latest_release_version = Mageia 1
+</I>|<i> latest_release_date = 1 June 2011
+</I>|<i> latest_preview_version = Mageia 2 RC
+</I>|<i> latest_preview_date = 9 May 2012
+</I>|<i> kernel_type = [[Monolithic kernel|Monolithic]] ([[linux]])
+</I>|<i> ui = [[KDE_Plasma_Workspaces]] / [[GNOME]]
+</I>|<i> language = Multilingual 1
+</I>|<i> updatemodel = [[Urpmi]]
+</I>|<i> package_manager = RPM
+</I>|<i> userland = GNU
+</I>|<i> license = [[GNU GPL]] &amp; Various others
+</I>|<i> website = <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>}}
+
+
+Mageia is the name of a non-profit organization and Linux distribution that was
+founded in 2010. The Mageia organization manages and coordinates the
+distribution, code and software hosting and distribution, builds system, and
+carries out marketing, fosters communication and events. [3] [4]
+
+The first release of the software distribution, Mageia 1, took place in June
+2011.[3]
+
+According to DistroWatch, Mageia is the 7th most visited Linux-based operating
+system on their site as of April 2012 and it is the third most visited RPM-based
+Linux distribution behind Fedora and openSUSE.[5]
+
+
+== History ==
+
+On 18 September 2010, a group of former Mandriva employees and community
+supporters announced that Mandriva Linux was being forked and a new community-
+driven distribution would be created, called Mageia.[4] This action followed the
+dismissal of most employees working on the Mandriva distribution when the
+Mandriva-owned company Edge-IT was liquidated. The group explained that they &quot;do
+not want to be dependent on the economic fluctuations and erratic, unexplained
+strategic moves of the company&quot;.
+
+== Versions ==
+
+Mageia is released on a 9-month release cycle and each release is supported for
+18 months.[6]
+=== Latest version ===
+
+The latest stable version is Mageia 1, released in June 2011.
+
+=== Development version ===
+
+The development version of Mageia is known as Cauldron and is what becomes the
+next release of Mageia.[7]
+
+== Goals ==
+
+The following goals were listed in the organization's announcement on 18
+September 2010:[4]
+
+ Make Linux and Free and Open Source Software straightforward to use for
+everyone;
+ Provide integrated system configuration tools;
+ Keep a high-level of integration between the base system, the desktop (KDE,
+GNOME, etc.) and applications; especially improve third-parties (be it free or
+proprietary software) integration;
+ Target new architectures and form-factors; and
+ Improve understanding of computers and electronics devices users.
+
+== Name ==
+
+The term &quot;mageia&quot; &#8212; &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945; in Greek &#8212; means &quot;magic&quot; in English. It is a
+reference to Mandrake (the magician), the original name of the Mandriva
+distribution (Mandrake Linux).[8]
+
+== References ==
+
+ ^ [<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Mageia_1_supported_locales">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Mageia_1_supported_locales</A>
+&quot;Archive:Mageia 1 supported locales] - Mageia wiki&quot;. Wiki.mageia.org. Retrieved
+2012-04-20.
+ ^
+[<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_1_Release_Notes#CLI_Package_Management_Tools">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_1_Release_Notes#CLI_Package_Management_Tools</A>
+&quot;Mageia 1 Release Notes - Mageia wiki&quot;]. Wiki.mageia.org. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+ ^ [<A HREF="http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia">http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia</A> a b
+&quot;DistroWatch.com: Mageia&quot;]. 2012-04-29. Retrieved 2012-04-29.
+ ^ [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html</A> a b c &quot;A New
+Linux Distribution&quot;.] Mageia. 2010-09-18. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+ ^ [<A HREF="http://distrowatch.com/">http://distrowatch.com/</A> &quot;DistroWatch&quot;]. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+ ^ [<A HREF="http://www.muktware.com/blogs/1878">http://www.muktware.com/blogs/1878</A> &quot;Mageia Goes For 9 Month Release
+Cycle&quot;]. 2011-07-18. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+ ^ [<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron</A> &quot;Cauldron - Mageia wiki&quot;]. Retrieved
+2012-04-20.
+ ^ [<A HREF="http://www.waybeta.com/news/85180/mandriva-linux-bifurcation-mageia-">http://www.waybeta.com/news/85180/mandriva-linux-bifurcation-mageia-</A>
+project-released-the-first-alpha-version-of-_mandriva-linux/ &quot;Mandriva Linux
+bifurcation Mageia project released the first Alpha version of _Mandriva Linux&quot;].
+waybeta. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+
+== See also ==
+
+Portal icon Free Software portal
+
+ [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux</A> Mandriva Linux] distribution
+ [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva</A> Mandriva, SA] (corporation)
+ [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCLinuxOS">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCLinuxOS</A> PCLinuxOS] &#8212; another Linux
+Distribution based on Mandriva Linux
+ [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Linux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Linux</A> Unity Linux] &#8212; a Mandriva-based
+distribution designed to be a base for end user distributions.
+
+== External links ==
+
+ [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> Official website]
+ [<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/">http://wiki.mageia.org/</A> Mageia Wiki]
+ [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/</A> Mailing lists]
+
+
+**************************************************************
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>Hi Macxi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+</I>&gt;<i>Welcome!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discuss how to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia which was recently excluded.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>We need to make a new one, and I&#180;ve begun one as a private page but
+</I>&gt;<i>haven&#180;t got any material on it yet; so if you&#180;ve got a Wikipedia login
+</I>&gt;<i>and you have time to do it, we can all work with you.
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Thanks for creating the Press page - this is for putting links to
+</I>&gt;<i>reviews and articles, yes?
+</I>
+&gt;<i>We have a space on the Marcom page for links to press so we can send
+</I>&gt;<i>out press releases about Mageia 2; you could maybe take a look at that
+</I>&gt;<i>list and see if you can suggest some more?
+</I>
+&gt;<i>For the Wikipedia page, here are some links (you probably already have):
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I><A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_coming_in_mageia_linux_20.html</A>
+
+
+&gt;<i>Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>--
+</I>&gt;<i>Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V
+</I>&gt;<i>-35.67896, 142.66637
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+Em sex 18 mai 2012, &#224;s 10:56:11, Macxi escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hello everybody,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss how to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> which was recently excluded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The page of Mageia in wkipedia (in english) has been deleted in May 13,
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The report of the decision here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mentioned this in the F&#243;rum Mageia, topic &quot;Re: mageia information
+</I>&gt;<i> (wikipedia):&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm worried because many people will look for information about mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> next week, when the Mageia 2 is released, and I really like the wikipedia
+</I>&gt;<i> and I think an important source of information for everyone who wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> learn more about Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest create a page &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; in Mageia Wiki: (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2</A> ) and I would like request the
+</I>&gt;<i> reactivation of the page mageia in wikipedia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are two pages with news about mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fork</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In category of the &quot;press&quot;:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is necessary to create a page about Mageia2_Press, or
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia_2_Press.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As As the suggestion of Romain:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em sex 18 mai 2012, &#224;s 09:59:10, Romain d'Alverny escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Macxi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I think it is necessary to create a category &quot;Press&quot; and create a page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; about Mageia2_Press
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just added the category. For the page, name it &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Mageia 2 Press Review&quot; (with a space before the version).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> Macxi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Re: Welcome, and feel free to introduce yourself
+</I>&gt;<i> Postby macxi &#187; May 24th, '11, 21:50
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ***********************
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;bogusman222 at
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gmail.com&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rda at mageia.org&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;trish at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; thefrasers.org&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; a new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is completely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; different either.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yeah. I don't think we can quote our own site as a good source.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The 'about' Mageia on Distrowatch is pretty OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Here are a couple of articles I remember seeing, there are probably more.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; html <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;A quick Google search also turned up these gems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;<A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;<A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_comi">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_comi</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;ng_in_mageia_linux_20.html
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *******************************
+</I></PRE>
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+ <B>Macxi</B>
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+<PRE>Patricia,
+
+I understood how the references are made.
+Now just arrange the text and references and edit the text better.
+
+code
+
+&lt;ref&gt;{{cite news |last=????? |first=????? |title=????? |date=????? |
+url=?????????????? |accessdate=?????}}&lt;/ref&gt;
+
+example:
+
+Mageia is the name of Linux distribution created in 2010 as a fork of
+[[Mandriva_Linux|Mandriva]] distribution. by a non-profit organization
+
+&lt;ref&gt;{{cite news |last=Mageia |first=Organization |title=Mageia.Org constitution
+|<i>date=2010 |url=<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/constitution/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/constitution/</A> |accessdate=19-
+</I>may-2012}}&lt;/ref&gt;
+ that was founded in 2010. The Mageia organization manages and coordinates the
+distribution, code and software hosting and distribution, builds system, and
+carries out marketing, fosters communication and events.
+
+The reference is within the text and displayed a note number and the text and
+links will appear below, in the topic References
+
+Cheers
+Macxi
+
+
+Em s&#225;b 19 mai 2012, &#224;s 09:28:26, Macxi escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Patricia,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Before, I apologize for broken threads. I configured wrong when I
+</I>&gt;<i> subscrevei marcom list so I have not received your email this. I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> answering this because I copied from the internet:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-May/000890.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-marketing/2012-May/000890.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, you can create the page again, but if you like before, it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> deleted again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I saw the page Mageia (en) which was deleted in googlecach and I saved it
+</I>&gt;<i> on my computer and it helps give an idea of &#8203;&#8203;how to modify and improve
+</I>&gt;<i> the deleted page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I make available a copy of it through a link from the dropbox:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/wikipedia/Mageia-EN-wikipedia.html">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/wikipedia/Mageia-EN-wikipedia.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I re-edited the text of the deleted page.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can copy this text there and create the page again, but someone has to
+</I>&gt;<i> help edit it to get better, to prevent it is not deleted again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is necessary to correct the &quot;reference notes&quot; in the text, which are
+</I>&gt;<i> disabled, I could not because I do not know how
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> Macxi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *******************************************
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> {{Infobox OS|
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> | name = Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> | logo = [[Image:Mageia Logo.png|150px|Mageia Logo]]
+</I>&gt;<i> | screenshot = [[Image:Mageia_1.png|250px|Mageia 1 Desktop]]
+</I>&gt;<i> | caption = Screenshot of Mageia 1 with KDE SC 4.6
+</I>&gt;<i> | developer = Mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> | family = [[Unix-like]]
+</I>&gt;<i> | working_state = Current
+</I>&gt;<i> | source_model = [[Free_and_open_source_software|Free and open source
+</I>&gt;<i> | software]] latest_release_version = Mageia 1
+</I>&gt;<i> | latest_release_date = 1 June 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> | latest_preview_version = Mageia 2 RC
+</I>&gt;<i> | latest_preview_date = 9 May 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> | kernel_type = [[Monolithic kernel|Monolithic]] ([[linux]])
+</I>&gt;<i> | ui = [[KDE_Plasma_Workspaces]] / [[GNOME]]
+</I>&gt;<i> | language = Multilingual 1
+</I>&gt;<i> | updatemodel = [[Urpmi]]
+</I>&gt;<i> | package_manager = RPM
+</I>&gt;<i> | userland = GNU
+</I>&gt;<i> | license = [[GNU GPL]] &amp; Various others
+</I>&gt;<i> | website = <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> }}
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is the name of a non-profit organization and Linux distribution that
+</I>&gt;<i> was founded in 2010. The Mageia organization manages and coordinates the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution, code and software hosting and distribution, builds system,
+</I>&gt;<i> and carries out marketing, fosters communication and events. [3] [4]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first release of the software distribution, Mageia 1, took place in
+</I>&gt;<i> June 2011.[3]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to DistroWatch, Mageia is the 7th most visited Linux-based
+</I>&gt;<i> operating system on their site as of April 2012 and it is the third most
+</I>&gt;<i> visited RPM-based Linux distribution behind Fedora and openSUSE.[5]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == History ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 18 September 2010, a group of former Mandriva employees and community
+</I>&gt;<i> supporters announced that Mandriva Linux was being forked and a new
+</I>&gt;<i> community- driven distribution would be created, called Mageia.[4] This
+</I>&gt;<i> action followed the dismissal of most employees working on the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution when the Mandriva-owned company Edge-IT was liquidated. The
+</I>&gt;<i> group explained that they &quot;do not want to be dependent on the economic
+</I>&gt;<i> fluctuations and erratic, unexplained strategic moves of the company&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == Versions ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is released on a 9-month release cycle and each release is supported
+</I>&gt;<i> for 18 months.[6]
+</I>&gt;<i> === Latest version ===
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The latest stable version is Mageia 1, released in June 2011.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> === Development version ===
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The development version of Mageia is known as Cauldron and is what becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> the next release of Mageia.[7]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == Goals ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The following goals were listed in the organization's announcement on 18
+</I>&gt;<i> September 2010:[4]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make Linux and Free and Open Source Software straightforward to use for
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone;
+</I>&gt;<i> Provide integrated system configuration tools;
+</I>&gt;<i> Keep a high-level of integration between the base system, the desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> (KDE, GNOME, etc.) and applications; especially improve third-parties (be
+</I>&gt;<i> it free or proprietary software) integration;
+</I>&gt;<i> Target new architectures and form-factors; and
+</I>&gt;<i> Improve understanding of computers and electronics devices users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == Name ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The term &quot;mageia&quot; &#8212; &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945; in Greek &#8212; means &quot;magic&quot; in English. It is a
+</I>&gt;<i> reference to Mandrake (the magician), the original name of the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution (Mandrake Linux).[8]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == References ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ^ [<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Mageia_1_supported_locales">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Mageia_1_supported_locales</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Archive:Mageia 1 supported locales] - Mageia wiki&quot;. Wiki.mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_1_Release_Notes#CLI_Package_Management_T">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_1_Release_Notes#CLI_Package_Management_T</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ools &quot;Mageia 1 Release Notes - Mageia wiki&quot;]. Wiki.mageia.org. Retrieved
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012-04-20. ^ [<A HREF="http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia">http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mageia</A> a b
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;DistroWatch.com: Mageia&quot;]. 2012-04-29. Retrieved 2012-04-29.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^ [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/2010-sept-announcement.html</A> a b c &quot;A
+</I>&gt;<i> New Linux Distribution&quot;.] Mageia. 2010-09-18. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^ [<A HREF="http://distrowatch.com/">http://distrowatch.com/</A> &quot;DistroWatch&quot;]. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^ [<A HREF="http://www.muktware.com/blogs/1878">http://www.muktware.com/blogs/1878</A> &quot;Mageia Goes For 9 Month Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Cycle&quot;]. 2011-07-18. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^ [<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Cauldron</A> &quot;Cauldron - Mageia wiki&quot;].
+</I>&gt;<i> Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+</I>&gt;<i> ^ [<A HREF="http://www.waybeta.com/news/85180/mandriva-linux-bifurcation-mageia-">http://www.waybeta.com/news/85180/mandriva-linux-bifurcation-mageia-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> project-released-the-first-alpha-version-of-_mandriva-linux/ &quot;Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux bifurcation Mageia project released the first Alpha version of
+</I>&gt;<i> _Mandriva Linux&quot;]. waybeta. Retrieved 2012-04-20.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == See also ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Portal icon Free Software portal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux</A> Mandriva Linux]
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva</A> Mandriva, SA]
+</I>&gt;<i> (corporation) [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCLinuxOS">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCLinuxOS</A> PCLinuxOS] &#8212; another
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Distribution based on Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Linux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Linux</A> Unity Linux] &#8212; a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva-based distribution designed to be a base for end user
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> == External links ==
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A> Official website]
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="http://wiki.mageia.org/">http://wiki.mageia.org/</A> Mageia Wiki]
+</I>&gt;<i> [<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/</A> Mailing lists]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> **************************************************************
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Hi Macxi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Welcome!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; discuss how to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; mageia which was recently excluded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;We need to make a new one, and I&#180;ve begun one as a private page but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;haven&#180;t got any material on it yet; so if you&#180;ve got a Wikipedia login
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;and you have time to do it, we can all work with you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Thanks for creating the Press page - this is for putting links to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;reviews and articles, yes?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;We have a space on the Marcom page for links to press so we can send
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;out press releases about Mageia 2; you could maybe take a look at that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;list and see if you can suggest some more?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;For the Wikipedia page, here are some links (you probably already have):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-at</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; .html <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_comin">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_comin</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> g_in_mageia_linux_20.html
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em sex 18 mai 2012, &#224;s 10:56:11, Macxi escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello everybody,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As the suggestion of Patricia and Marja, I subscribed to this list.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm here to know how I can help on this subject, and specifically to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discuss how to help the situation about of the wikipedia page of mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which was recently excluded.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The page of Mageia in wkipedia (in english) has been deleted in May 13,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2012. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The report of the decision here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I mentioned this in the F&#243;rum Mageia, topic &quot;Re: mageia information
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (wikipedia):&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=2428#p18065</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm worried because many people will look for information about mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; next week, when the Mageia 2 is released, and I really like the wikipedia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and I think an important source of information for everyone who wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; learn more about Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I suggest create a page &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; in Mageia Wiki: (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Mageia_2</A> ) and I would like request
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the reactivation of the page mageia in wikipedia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There are two pages with news about mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fo">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Archive:Initial_press_release_on_the_Mageia_fo</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rk <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia1_Press</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In category of the &quot;press&quot;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Category:Press</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it is necessary to create a page about Mageia2_Press, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia_2_Press.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As As the suggestion of Romain:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em sex 18 mai 2012, &#224;s 09:59:10, Romain d'Alverny escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Macxi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I think it is necessary to create a category &quot;Press&quot; and create a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; page about Mageia2_Press
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Just added the category. For the page, name it &quot;Mageia 2 Press&quot; or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;Mageia 2 Press Review&quot; (with a space before the version).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Macxi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Re: Welcome, and feel free to introduce yourself
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Postby macxi &#187; May 24th, '11, 21:50
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=15&amp;start=100#p1907</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ***********************
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 11:29 PM, Max Quarterpleen &lt;bogusman222 at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; gmail.com&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rda at mageia.org&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Patricia Fraser &lt;trish at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; thefrasers.org&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I think it's unlikely that we'll get it undeleted, but we can try
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; for a new Mageia page; I'm on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;From the discussion and deletion decision, recreating it is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;completely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; open. Funny things is, it's been 3 votes for deletion, 2 against, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; it's not like it's a big deal either, it's been only one person needed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; to make it go - and Mageia pages in other languages are not much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; different either.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; But, for the new page, sources will be needed to sustain each stance,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; and - I'm not sure how this can be included, maybe as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; sources/references actually - hints to existing coverage (relevant,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; independant articles and reviews) will be needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yeah. I don't think we can quote our own site as a good source.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The 'about' Mageia on Distrowatch is pretty OK.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Here are a couple of articles I remember seeing, there are probably
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; more.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-a">http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/02/eugeni-dodonov-even-while-i-was-a</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; t. html <A HREF="http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/">http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/08/02/mageia-1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;A quick Google search also turned up these gems:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;<A HREF="http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1">http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/spotlight-linux-mageia-1</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;<A HREF="http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_co">http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/255498/six_key_features_co</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;mi ng_in_mageia_linux_20.html
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; *******************************
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+
+rda would like content for the new website, and there will be a
+release/council meeting later on today at 13:30 UTC, (instead of the
+time that was given in the council meeting), going by the council
+mailing list archive:
+<A HREF="https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-05/msg00055.html">https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/council/2012-05/msg00055.html</A> I may be
+there, but I think you should be for sure as the current leader of
+Marcom, if you can easily make it, which you probably can since the time
+it will be there.
+
+More information about both things in the log of the earlier council
+meeting:
+<A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2012/mageia-meeting.2012-05-21-19.04.log.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-meeting/2012/mageia-meeting.2012-05-21-19.04.log.html</A>
+
+Also I assume the blog post and press release is finished? Hence why you
+were asking recently on the artwork team mailing list about screen shots?
+
+P.S
+
+For openness I thought it was a good idea to send the message to the
+Marcom mailing list, rather than off list.
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+
+Last weekend on the Saturday I went to the local event that I had
+mentioned was going to happen on this mailing list before.
+
+I did a talk first with someone about the LUG, which unfortunately
+wasn't recorded by the friend I had got to record the Mageia talk,
+however it seems to have been by someone else, but I don't know who that
+is. I think he also recorded my Magiea Talk, but not sure.
+
+The short LUG talk went ok, and then the Mageia Talk I think after
+seeing a video of it a few times, I think went rather well for a first
+Lightning Talk or any talk like that on my own.
+
+I am going to have some better quality videos sent or something, well
+already had one, and before I had it, I sent another to a few people,
+however I am thinking yes this is going to go online publically for many
+people to be able to see, and the slideshow already is.
+
+Anyway I was thinking to do a blog post about the event and the talks on
+the Mageia blog, however I don't have access to the blog, but I know
+that you do for example Trish.
+
+I didn't get any Mageia 1 CD's sent to me, and so gave out a few pre
+release CD's that I had got my friend to make. Someone in QA suggested
+the pre release to give out. I also made it clear or tried to make it
+clear, to people who got given them that it was a pre release.
+
+After the Mageia talk about five guys came up to me wanting to know more
+about Mageia, however I didn't give a CD to all of them. Also one guy
+got rather interested it seems after having a proper chat with him, and
+wanted to make sure he had my contact details right.
+
+P.S
+
+Maybe I should have bought the three KDE 4 Mageia 1 CD's from FOSDEM
+that I have left that I wanted to give away really, oh well.
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+
+I was reading our blog article in english for mga2 release &amp; i noticed that we
+promote Flash for it.
+While flash is indeed required by several end users we should probably rewrite
+this part since &#160;flash is *not* included in mageia but rather available via a
+specific package which is in fact available in a media not enable by default.
+Something like Flash can be installed via our NonFree Media &amp; after a short
+description of the Core/NonFree/Tainted media.
+
+
+Regards,
+
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was reading our blog article in english for mga2 release &amp; i
+</I>&gt;<i> noticed that we promote Flash for it.
+</I>&gt;<i> While flash is indeed required by several end users we should
+</I>&gt;<i> probably rewrite this part since &#160;flash is *not* included in mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> but rather available via a specific package which is in fact
+</I>&gt;<i> available in a media not enable by default. Something like Flash can
+</I>&gt;<i> be installed via our NonFree Media &amp; after a short description of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Core/NonFree/Tainted media.
+</I>
+Thanks! No matter how many eyes go over something pre-publication,
+there&#180;s always something.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <B>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter</B>
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+ <I>Thu May 24 16:22:41 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
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+I just subscribed to the list and I'd like to introduce myself to the
+team quickly.
+
+My name is Rupert Horstk&#246;tter, I'm 31 years old, I'm living in
+Ober-Ramstadt, Germany and I'm studying business administration and
+electrical engineering at TU Darmstadt. I'm a Linux enthusiast and
+contributor since around 10 years now, started with Knoppix,
+(open)SUSE, etc etc and then settled to Ubuntu as my operating system
+of choice (+ some ArchLinux &amp; Mac OSX). I always was very much
+interested in various Linux related topics, tinkering, tried numerous
+distros on occasion and still do.
+
+&gt;<i>From a more &quot;professional&quot; perspective I have quite some background
+</I>with FLOSS marketing and community management/building. That said, I
+have been employed at and around SUSE three times now in various
+capacities: E.g. I served as a project manager for the initial launch
+of the openSUSE forums [1], I have been involved in a restructuring of
+the openSUSE wiki [2] and I have been an openSUSE board member for a
+two-year term from 2009 to 2011 ... besides other things (Weekly
+Newsletter, etc). Just to give a brief overview of my &quot;history&quot;.
+
+As of Mageia and the reason I'm here: I passively followed the
+creation of the Mageia project almost from day 1 and I feel that
+you're doing an awesome job both from a community building and
+technical/distribution perspective - my honest appreciation. Following
+a Virtualbox installation of Mageia 2 (yes, I was just too curious :p)
+and some research on Mageia's website, I decided to join the
+mageia-marcom list.
+
+All that said, I'm currently quite busy finishing my studies at
+university and thus I won't be able to contribute too much actively at
+least from a short term perspective, but I somehow perceived it as a
+good idea to finally get in touch closer by subscribing to the list.
+I'd like to follow the mageia-marcom discussions a bit if you don't
+mind for the time being and I could imagine to get involved in some
+(or the other) capacity, i.e. contribute, from a longer term
+perspective as I feel you a likeable team looking at the ML archives -
+We'll see.
+
+Thanks,
+R
+
+[1] <A HREF="http://forums.opensuse.org/">http://forums.opensuse.org/</A>
+[2] <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page">http://en.opensuse.org/Main_Page</A>
+--
+Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+Email: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rhorstkoetter at opensuse.org</A>
+IRC: rhorstkoetter on irc.freenode.net
+LinkedIn: <A HREF="http://www.linkedin.com/in/rhorstkoetter">http://www.linkedin.com/in/rhorstkoetter</A>
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+ <B>Otto</B>
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+<PRE>I created a phrase in the Facebok of the Mageia that symbolizes the spirit
+of the Mageia. It would be a type of a &#8220;marketing&#8221; of the distro like a
+saying. Generally, companies have saying or mottos like this: &#8220;satisfaction
+guaranteed or money back&#8221;. It&#8217;s a phrase that it&#8217;s the company meaning in
+few words.The Merrian Webster&#8217; dictionary tranlates the motto as the
+following meaning: a sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as
+appropriate to or indicative of its character or use. The prase, motto or
+saying to the Mageia is the following:
+
+*&#8220;Mageia is the present and the future.&#8221;* The users at the facebook liked
+this motto. It means Mageia is the present because of its quality and
+stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of distrowatch (at 7th.
+Position now). The other distos at start of mageia didn&#8217;t believe it.They
+desdained Mageia. The future be cause Mageia is a community, an
+organization and came to stay with us and offer the best in the
+future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the Mageia 3 as a
+signal.It&#8217;s just a suggestion. I hope you get me.
+
+Cheers.
+
+Otto S&#225; from Mageia Brazil.
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+
+Welcome to the team, and as I told you earlier on IRC when we were
+chatting, that I would reply to your email. Here it is although a bit
+later than it was going to be, but that doesn't matter.
+
+Patricia Fraser / Trish our team leader, will probably welcome you more
+properly :).
+
+As for contributing feel free to do so when you have the time :).
+
+I know you have mainly joined recently to keep an eye on the mailing
+list, but really now you are a member of the Mageia marketing and
+communications team, as of earlier on today :).
+
+You also talked to Max earlier on IRC so you already know something
+about the meetings and when they are. However we have a logs site for
+Mageia meetings: <A HREF="http://meetbot.mageia.org">http://meetbot.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i>From Sebastian
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+<PRE>Hi Rupert!
+
+Thanks for your introductory email, and all the interesting details
+about your activities in FLOSS.
+
+It's great to have you in the team, whatever time you can spare from
+your studies and other activities; Marcom doesn't have to be terribly
+time-consuming, but we do need people on deck when there's a release,
+and the more different countries we have, the better.
+
+Please do feel free to join any discussions, and of course to start
+them!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+
+&gt;<i> I created a phrase in the Facebok of the Mageia that symbolizes the
+</I>&gt;<i> spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a &#8220;marketing&#8221; of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro like a saying. Generally, companies have saying or mottos like
+</I>&gt;<i> this: &#8220;satisfaction guaranteed or money back&#8221;. It&#8217;s a phrase that
+</I>&gt;<i> it&#8217;s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian Webster&#8217; dictionary
+</I>&gt;<i> tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a sentence, phrase, or
+</I>&gt;<i> word inscribed on something as appropriate to or indicative of its
+</I>&gt;<i> character or use. The prase, motto or saying to the Mageia is the
+</I>&gt;<i> following:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *&#8220;Mageia is the present and the future.&#8221;* The users at the facebook
+</I>&gt;<i> liked this motto. It means Mageia is the present because of its
+</I>&gt;<i> quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of
+</I>&gt;<i> distrowatch (at 7th. Position now). The other distos at start of
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia didn&#8217;t believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future be cause
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is a community, an organization and came to stay with us and
+</I>&gt;<i> offer the best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be
+</I>&gt;<i> included for the Mageia 3 as a signal.It&#8217;s just a suggestion. I hope
+</I>&gt;<i> you get me.
+</I>
+
+Thanks for this!
+
+Have you asked the folks on the mageia-discuss list how they like it?
+That's where a lot of the community hangs out; you could also ask on
+IRC and the forums.
+
+If you get a lot of positive feedback within the community, then we can
+put it to the Council for approval as a slogan.
+
+We'll all look forward to hearing how you get on!
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+Fri May 25 07:38:18 EST 2012
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia Fraser!I have already placed on the Mageia Forum at
+<A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</A>
+Could you post there to start users posting about this inquiry ?
+Besides, I put at bugzilla at
+<A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6032(bug">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6032(bug</A> # 6032) but Manuel
+Hiebel pointed me out to ask at Mageia Marketing
+But I haven't put at the mageia irch channel yet. Which channel should I
+ask about it? #mageia (main project); #mageia-board ; #mageia-council ? Or
+another specific Mageia channel? I appreciated your prompt reply. I'm
+looking forward to hear your hints.
+Cheers.
+Otto S&#225;.
+
+2012/5/24 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi Otto,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I created a phrase in the Facebok of the Mageia that symbolizes the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a &#8220;marketing&#8221; of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distro like a saying. Generally, companies have saying or mottos like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this: &#8220;satisfaction guaranteed or money back&#8221;. It&#8217;s a phrase that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it&#8217;s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian Webster&#8217; dictionary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a sentence, phrase, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; word inscribed on something as appropriate to or indicative of its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; character or use. The prase, motto or saying to the Mageia is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; *&#8220;Mageia is the present and the future.&#8221;* The users at the facebook
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; liked this motto. It means Mageia is the present because of its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distrowatch (at 7th. Position now). The other distos at start of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia didn&#8217;t believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future be cause
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia is a community, an organization and came to stay with us and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; offer the best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; included for the Mageia 3 as a signal.It&#8217;s just a suggestion. I hope
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you get me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for this!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you asked the folks on the mageia-discuss list how they like it?
+</I>&gt;<i> That's where a lot of the community hangs out; you could also ask on
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC and the forums.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you get a lot of positive feedback within the community, then we can
+</I>&gt;<i> put it to the Council for approval as a slogan.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll all look forward to hearing how you get on!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+</I>&gt;<i> Fri May 25 07:38:18 EST 2012
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+
+&gt;<i> I have already placed on the Mageia Forum at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</A>
+</I>
+That's a good start. For IRC, Seb will probably have good suggestions
+for you - for the mailing lists, try subscribing to the mageia-discuss
+list.
+
+Give it a week or two, and then come back to this list with a summary
+of the reactions, both good and bad, so we can see what people think.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+
+Very good your initiative to discuss the creation of a slogan for the Mageia. I
+think it is necessary to discuss it. Congratulations for your idea.
+
+Macxi
+
+Em qui 24 mai 2012, &#224;s 20:24:49, Otto escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi Patricia Fraser!I have already placed on the Mageia Forum at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you post there to start users posting about this inquiry ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides, I put at bugzilla at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6032(bug">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6032(bug</A> # 6032) but Manuel
+</I>&gt;<i> Hiebel pointed me out to ask at Mageia Marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> But I haven't put at the mageia irch channel yet. Which channel should I
+</I>&gt;<i> ask about it? #mageia (main project); #mageia-board ; #mageia-council ? Or
+</I>&gt;<i> another specific Mageia channel? I appreciated your prompt reply. I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> looking forward to hear your hints.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i> Otto S&#225;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2012/5/24 Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi Otto,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I created a phrase in the Facebok of the Mageia that symbolizes the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a &#8220;marketing&#8221; of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; distro like a saying. Generally, companies have saying or mottos like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this: &#8220;satisfaction guaranteed or money back&#8221;. It&#8217;s a phrase that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it&#8217;s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian Webster&#8217; dictionary
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a sentence, phrase, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; word inscribed on something as appropriate to or indicative of its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; character or use. The prase, motto or saying to the Mageia is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; following:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; *&#8220;Mageia is the present and the future.&#8221;* The users at the facebook
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; liked this motto. It means Mageia is the present because of its
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; distrowatch (at 7th. Position now). The other distos at start of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; mageia didn&#8217;t believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future be cause
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia is a community, an organization and came to stay with us and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; offer the best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; included for the Mageia 3 as a signal.It&#8217;s just a suggestion. I hope
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; you get me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for this!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Have you asked the folks on the mageia-discuss list how they like it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's where a lot of the community hangs out; you could also ask on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IRC and the forums.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you get a lot of positive feedback within the community, then we can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; put it to the Council for approval as a slogan.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We'll all look forward to hearing how you get on!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fri May 25 07:38:18 EST 2012
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 counter.li.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hermes up 0 hour(s), 40 min.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kernel 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
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+
+As we did after Mageia 1, all teams are doing a post-mortem review of
+their activities around Mageia 2.
+
+Check it out here:
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Marcom">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia2_Postmortem#Marcom</A>
+
+We need to add our part by June 10, which is when all the additions are
+due.
+
+For interest, you might like to check out the previous post-mortem:
+
+<A HREF="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marcom_Team#Post-mortem_-_post_Mageia_1_release">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Marcom_Team#Post-mortem_-_post_Mageia_1_release</A>
+
+Please add your comments!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 1 00:45:36 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 42<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release notes update needed - E17 themes
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release texts
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-marketing] Emails lost yesterday
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release stuff
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-marketing] The Talks
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:23 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>May 2012 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 1 00:45:36 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 42<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release notes update needed - E17 themes
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-marketing] Emails lost yesterday
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release texts
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release stuff
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-marketing] The Talks
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:23 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
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+ <h1>May 2012 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 1 00:45:36 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 42<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-marketing] Emails lost yesterday
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release stuff
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release texts
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release notes update needed - E17 themes
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-marketing] The Talks
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:23 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>May 2012 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 1 00:45:36 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 42<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01335825936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release notes update needed - E17 themes
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01335924676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-marketing] Emails lost yesterday
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01336477125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336477125-01336519845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meeting this week
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01336747541- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336747541-01336773558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336747541-01336773558-01337005646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01336747541-01336795247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336747541-01336795247-01337009888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01336747541-01336795247-01337009888-01337035210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336747541-01336795247-01337009888-01337035210-01337102956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-marketing] Web site, a few updates pending, open for comments
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01336992371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release texts
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01336992948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01336992948-01337065409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01336992948-01337065409-01337065848- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01336992948-01337065409-01337065848-01337065935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01336992948-01337065409-01337065848-01337065935-01337105933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-marketing] See package changes between Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 by using Mageia App Db
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337175845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337175845-01337191506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-marketing] Release texts - NOW URGENT
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337244320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337244320-01337255889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01337244320-01337255889-01337274739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01337244320-01337255889-01337274739-01337286549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01337244320-01337255889-01337274739-01337286549-01337286726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Max Quarterpleen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337348232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337348232-01337382448- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337349371- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337349371-01337430506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01337349371-01337430506-01337444223- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-marketing] Wikipedia wars
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337654591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 release stuff
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01337657436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-marketing] The Talks
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01337776368- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Balcaen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337776368-01337812595- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia 2 &amp; Flash
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337869361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rupert Horstk&#246;tter
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337869361-01337893512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sebastian
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01337869361-01337895381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-marketing] quick self-introduction
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01337883975- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01337883975-01337895674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01337883975-01337895674-01337901889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Otto
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01337883975-01337895674-01337901889-01337949587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01337883975-01337895674-01337901889-01338050517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-marketing] a Mageia motto
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Macxi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01338371949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-marketing] Postmortem
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed May 30 11:59:09 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed May 30 11:59:23 CEST 2012</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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