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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+ <I>Tue Mar 1 15:15:36 CET 2011</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; Now, as for holding a meeting, as far as I am concerned, it would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happen in the 8-18 UTC time frame - as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing#preferred_meeting_time">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing#preferred_meeting_time</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggests, 15 UTC on Thursday would fit (or Monday, but we miss people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then; or Wednesday but we miss people too). Or if we want to get with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Graham, we need to do it way sooner in the morning or later in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; evening (and I won't be there then).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So let's try next Thursday at 15 UTC on #mageia-marcom and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; meantime, start the work on the list and on the channel, anytime, with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people being there and ready.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for me it's ok. in the while i'll set up all the mrketing pages in the
+</I>current
+&gt;<i> mageia wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>
+hi,
+
+i'm sorry but i can't attend again the meeting of thursday, i passed the last
+exam (i'm studying economics) and now i must prepare the graduation thesis :-)
+
+this is the first draft i wrote for the meeting, but due to time lack it's
+quite blank:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+
+i hope to contribute more in the next future to this team, the marketing work
+is precious for the success of the distro (and we can't miss it!)
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Marcello,
+
+Good luck and strength with the thesis! and thanks for getting the
+ball rolling.
+
+&gt;<i> this is the first draft i wrote for the meeting, but due to time
+</I>&gt;<i> lack it's quite blank:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marketing-plan</A>
+</I>
+Okay, now that you've put the framework together and linked the Core
+Values (lots of marketing contrib in there!), we just need to plug in
+some more content. The current Vision page on the old marketing wiki:
+
+<A HREF="http://ooogear.co.nz/mageiawiki/index.php?title=VisionDraft">http://ooogear.co.nz/mageiawiki/index.php?title=VisionDraft</A>
+
+has several suggestions, all really re-works of the sense of Mageia
+we all got at the beginning.
+
+I like this one:
+
+Our vision is...
+
+ * To nurture a vibrant, collaborative Community of innovation...
+ * To create powerful, reliable technology by and for our greatest asset, people...
+ * To deliver a usable, Open Source software platform for novice
+ and power users alike.
+
+But they can *all* use work. Could we maybe go over to the marketing
+wiki and have a really good stab at getting a final draft Vision
+Statement done before the meeting? There's loads of discussion there
+to help us work out what we should be achieving - and there's the
+Core Values to check to see if they agree (they must).
+
+It would be good if the meeting could decide on a Vision statement,
+so we could pass it up to the board for consideration - then next
+week, maybe the Mission Statement... we'll get there yet!
+
+After the Mission statement, we should have enough in from Artwork to
+be able to put together Branding Elements (Target Market can maybe
+wait until we get up to Release Candidates - we don't really need it
+until we're going out to woo new users.)
+
+&gt;<i> i hope to contribute more in the next future to this team, the
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing work is precious for the success of the distro (and we
+</I>&gt;<i> can't miss it!)
+</I>
+Good luck with everything Marcello - see you back here soon!
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+ <B>Bradley D. Thornton</B>
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+Well it's a little dated now, but wanted to post this link here as an
+FYI. We're all pulling on the bootstraps in order to make this the best
+Mageia that it can be :)
+
+<A HREF="http://NorthTech.EU/content/20110215/mageia-1-alpha-1-released-today">http://NorthTech.EU/content/20110215/mageia-1-alpha-1-released-today</A>
+
+
+Let me know if there's anything too much over the top so I can make
+corrections if necessary, but otherwise, it's pretty much just another
+announcement pointing to the official announcement.
+
+Kindest regards,
+
+- --
+Bradley D. Thornton
+Manager Network Services
+NorthTech Computer
+TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US)
+TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK)
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+&gt;<i> Let me know if there's anything too much over the top so I can make
+</I>&gt;<i> corrections if necessary, but otherwise, it's pretty much just another
+</I>&gt;<i> announcement pointing to the official announcement.
+</I>
+Looks good. :)
+
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+<PRE>Reminder:
+&gt;<i> So let's try next Thursday at 15 UTC on #mageia-marcom and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> meantime, start the work on the list and on the channel, anytime, with
+</I>&gt;<i> people being there and ready.
+</I>
+Let's do it again.
+
+
+On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 16:53, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Mageia 1 will be a release providing typical ISOs, roughly equivalent to a MDV
+</I>&gt;<i> Free++, in DVD, liveCD, VMs forms - those ISOs will allow for desktop and
+</I>&gt;<i> server deployment at least, minimal systems setup (from the dualarch).
+</I>&gt;<i> There's room for improvement in how we present/dispatch things. Again,
+</I>&gt;<i> this must be open and discussed on -discuss in a guided manner before
+</I>&gt;<i> we close it, and help present the final images in June.
+</I>
+We ought to discuss these bits at this evening Council meeting.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> - decide which way (and means) to promote mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wobo had an interesting start for previous Council meeting, but we ran
+</I>&gt;<i> out of time/energy to get to there. Next week I guess.
+</I>
+Wobo posted it on the wiki: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spreading">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spreading</A>
+
+
+&gt;<i> All in all, that makes quite a big list of things to manage. So it
+</I>&gt;<i> would be good to prioritize and dispatch:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- more communication topics: comm tools, promotion stategy, bonjour,
+</I>&gt;<i> blog, website
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- more marketing topics: mission/vision, pitch, Mageia 1 product presentation
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reminder: alpha 2 is for March 15th* (in 19 days) and it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> really great that by then (for its release):
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- some work is done on the pitch (that means vision/mission is
+</I>&gt;<i> squared a bit as well and pushed by the board);
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- product presentation discussion has started on -discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- comm team sets up.
+</I>
+It is next Tuesday. :-)
+
+
+
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia, Marcello, all,
+
+thanks a lot for keeping on all this!
+
+On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 19:29, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Our vision is...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;* To nurture a vibrant, collaborative Community of innovation...
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;* To create powerful, reliable technology by and for our greatest asset, people...
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;* To deliver a usable, Open Source software platform for novice
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160;and power users alike.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But they can *all* use work. Could we maybe go over to the marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki and have a really good stab at getting a final draft Vision
+</I>&gt;<i> Statement done before the meeting? There's loads of discussion there
+</I>&gt;<i> to help us work out what we should be achieving - and there's the
+</I>&gt;<i> Core Values to check to see if they agree (they must).
+</I>
+Yep. And really, each point shows a different, yet crucial bit of the project.
+
+On a side note, about the coming alpha2: we are going to release it on
+next Tuesday and all that will go into it must be freezed by this
+coming Friday evening.
+
+What relies on some marcom work is, among other things, the main
+message under which this alpha2 will be released: it's still an alpha,
+unstable, still for contributors/testers but it has fixes from the
+previous one, more packages included, better artwork. This message is
+crucial as it will be used for the website, on the blogs, and so on.
+It's not only about announcing the alpha2 release in itself than about
+announcing the alpha2 milestone in Mageia 1 build process (that is,
+there are other releases coming and there is room for contributors).
+
+In this short timeframe, if we are quick enough, we can still insert a
+few screens during the installing process, to promote the project, the
+product and the contribution process (Alexn83 will produce the screen,
+but what goes into it exactly and how we welcome users/contributors on
+the start page is still to be done).
+
+So what needs to be done?
+ - try to attend this evening Council meeting for those who can (19:30
+UTC on #mageia-meeting)
+ - please push your ideas and whether you want to take on some
+coordination work with the artwork team
+ - try to attend marcom meeting this Thursday to square the message
+for the release
+
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>2011/3/7 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - decide which way (and means) to promote mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wobo had an interesting start for previous Council meeting, but we ran
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out of time/energy to get to there. Next week I guess.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wobo posted it on the wiki: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spreading">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=spreading</A>
+</I>
+I have the ideas in my head and will fill thjem in on that wiki page.
+I will post on the i18n and marketing lists about this whole system
+within this week.
+
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+Meeting in progress on #mageia-meeting, see the meetbot logs for
+details.
+
+Each team (of which Marketing is one) will need to do a short weekly
+summary of what happened on their list, in IRC and at their meetings,
+so others don't need to wade through the whole log, list, IRC to find
+out what went on in that team - and to inform the board for their
+meetings.
+
+We need to also have a rep and a spare on the council - anyone else
+here? We can do this!
+
+If we ever get to have meetings or do anything... 8-) shouldn't be a
+problem?
+
+Cheers,
+
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+
+On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:09, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to also have a rep and a spare on the council - anyone else
+</I>&gt;<i> here? We can do this!
+</I>
+To make things a bit more visual, you can see there are
+empty/available chairs for marketing and communication teams
+representatives here: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council</A>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; We need to also have a rep and a spare on the council - anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; else here? We can do this!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To make things a bit more visual, you can see there are
+</I>&gt;<i> empty/available chairs for marketing and communication teams
+</I>&gt;<i> representatives here: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council</A>
+</I>
+Damn, nothing *but* empty chairs, ain't it? 8-/ Are we making
+marketing/comms one team (makes sense if we are)?
+
+Cheers,
+
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+below a request received on the press@ contact and I believe this is
+the best place to sort it out (btw, we ought to know how we dispatch
+this address within communication team as well).
+
+Welcome are your input and handling (how to refine this proposal, what
+to propose, who to propose this to, should we even do it or not)?
+
+Thanks!
+
+Romain
+
+---------- Forwarded message ----------
+From: Swapnil Bhartiya &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">editor at muktware.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 20:43
+Subject: Re: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+
+Hi Romain,
+
+I just learnt about the Mageia Planet launch, congratulations. It's
+good news for users and especially for Muktware, as we have been
+keeping a close eye on the development of Mageia ever since the fork
+was announced. The Mageia Planet will be a very good resource for
+staying updated with ongoing development.
+
+I have a proposal in mind. At Muktware we are always looking for
+exclusive and useful content for home/business users. At the same
+time, we also want to contribute to the Mageia community. How about we
+start an exclusive/dedicated section for Mageia, written by Mageia
+contributors?
+
+1. Mageia contributors can use Muktware as a platform to exclusively
+talk about features of Mageia or the packages they are working on.
+2. A Howto/Tips &amp; Tricks section contributed by Mageia contributors
+about how users can use Mageia or GNU/Linux to do things easily.
+
+There can be several such opportunities for the Mageia community to
+interact with its potential users. The target audience will be
+'home/business' users. It will also help spread the word about Mageia
+and Linux in general.
+
+In return, we will contribute $10 per article to Mageia. This is just
+an initial proposal, what do you think? If you like the idea we can
+work on further details.
+
+Best Wishes
+Swapnil Bhartiya
+Editor-in-chief
+Muktware.com
+Cult of Ubuntu.com
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+<PRE>On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 22:14, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> To make things a bit more visual, you can see there are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> empty/available chairs for marketing and communication teams
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> representatives here: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Damn, nothing *but* empty chairs, ain't it? 8-/
+</I>
+Well, the page is really fresh from this evening and I am touring the
+teams to gather info: all teams are not formally organized besides
+leaders or contacts (representatives are not yet elected). So yes, to
+this point, it looks a bit empty.
+
+That's a good reminder/visualization that this project will move on
+with the participation of all volunteers in each teams.
+
+&gt;<i> Are we making marketing/comms one team (makes sense if we are)?
+</I>
+Well, if mar/comm have only a single representative, the Council will
+be majored by technical teams, so it's important that other teams grow
+as well so there is a balance. So there are two seats: for
+communication and marketing. Of course, having at least one common
+representative (holding two hats, if ever) is better than nothing.
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+Apologies for top-post!
+
+Muktware.com's ask for writers is 750 words; they deal mainly with
+Ubuntu, Android, smartphones and suchlike. Also, they want exclusive
+content - $10 isn't a lot of money for exclusive!
+
+I'm not sure that they're the greatest fit for the people we want to
+reach just at the moment - maybe when we get to the Release
+Candidate? They're for users rather than developers, and right now
+we want developers and testers. Maybe we can write back saying
+thanks! We'll keep this in mind for when we've got something that
+will interest your readers - ?
+
+press@ needs to go to {some people|a person} in Comms team -
+marketing can happily write stuff up, but Comms should keep track of
+who, where, when.
+
+My 2c!
+
+Cheers,
+
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> below a request received on the press@ contact and I believe this is
+</I>&gt;<i> the best place to sort it out (btw, we ought to know how we dispatch
+</I>&gt;<i> this address within communication team as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome are your input and handling (how to refine this proposal,
+</I>&gt;<i> what to propose, who to propose this to, should we even do it or
+</I>&gt;<i> not)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Swapnil Bhartiya &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">editor at muktware.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 20:43
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Romain,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just learnt about the Mageia Planet launch, congratulations. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> good news for users and especially for Muktware, as we have been
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping a close eye on the development of Mageia ever since the fork
+</I>&gt;<i> was announced. The Mageia Planet will be a very good resource for
+</I>&gt;<i> staying updated with ongoing development.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a proposal in mind. At Muktware we are always looking for
+</I>&gt;<i> exclusive and useful content for home/business users. At the same
+</I>&gt;<i> time, we also want to contribute to the Mageia community. How about
+</I>&gt;<i> we start an exclusive/dedicated section for Mageia, written by
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia contributors?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Mageia contributors can use Muktware as a platform to exclusively
+</I>&gt;<i> talk about features of Mageia or the packages they are working on.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. A Howto/Tips &amp; Tricks section contributed by Mageia contributors
+</I>&gt;<i> about how users can use Mageia or GNU/Linux to do things easily.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There can be several such opportunities for the Mageia community to
+</I>&gt;<i> interact with its potential users. The target audience will be
+</I>&gt;<i> 'home/business' users. It will also help spread the word about
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia and Linux in general.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In return, we will contribute $10 per article to Mageia. This is
+</I>&gt;<i> just an initial proposal, what do you think? If you like the idea
+</I>&gt;<i> we can work on further details.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best Wishes
+</I>&gt;<i> Swapnil Bhartiya
+</I>&gt;<i> Editor-in-chief
+</I>&gt;<i> Muktware.com
+</I>&gt;<i> Cult of Ubuntu.com
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
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+
+Looking here:
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+
+and at the Google Calendar, our meeting times aren't there - how do
+we get them added?
+
+Cheers,
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Looking here:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and at the Google Calendar, our meeting times aren't there - how do
+</I>&gt;<i> we get them added?
+</I>
+I can do it - and I can add the team lead/representative to edit the
+calendar :-p
+
+For our meeting, I'm just unsure Thursday 15:00 is the right time;
+shall I put it as such anyway and we will see later?
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 14:02, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looking here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and at the Google Calendar, our meeting times aren't there - how do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we get them added?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can do it - and I can add the team lead/representative to edit the
+</I>&gt;<i> calendar :-p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For our meeting, I'm just unsure Thursday 15:00 is the right time;
+</I>&gt;<i> shall I put it as such anyway and we will see later?
+</I>
+Ok for me
+
+BTW: Pls see my mail to webteam@ about discrepancy between display of
+the schedules in the Mageia calendar page and the Google calendar
+itself.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: Pls see my mail to webteam@ about discrepancy between display of
+</I>&gt;<i> the schedules in the Mageia calendar page and the Google calendar
+</I>&gt;<i> itself.
+</I>
+Ignore this, my fault. I entered the event in my calendar, not in
+Mageia meeting calendar. :(
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/3/8 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 14:02, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Looking here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/calendar/">http://mageia.org/en/calendar/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and at the Google Calendar, our meeting times aren't there - how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; do we get them added?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can do it - and I can add the team lead/representative to edit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the calendar :-p
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For our meeting, I'm just unsure Thursday 15:00 is the right time;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shall I put it as such anyway and we will see later?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok for me
+</I>
+And for me.
+
+
+&gt;<i> BTW: Pls see my mail to webteam@ about discrepancy between display
+</I>&gt;<i> of the schedules in the Mageia calendar page and the Google calendar
+</I>&gt;<i> itself.
+</I>
+That's what made me look at it... thanks Wobo!
+
+--
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+On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 09:02, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm not sure that they're the greatest fit for the people we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> reach just at the moment - maybe when we get to the Release
+</I>&gt;<i> Candidate? They're for users rather than developers, and right now
+</I>&gt;<i> we want developers and testers. Maybe we can write back saying
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks! We'll keep this in mind for when we've got something that
+</I>&gt;<i> will interest your readers - ?
+</I>
+That's an option, yes.
+
+&gt;<i> press@ needs to go to {some people|a person} in Comms team -
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing can happily write stuff up, but Comms should keep track of
+</I>&gt;<i> who, where, when.
+</I>
+Yep. Point is to know who. :-p
+
+Other views? or shall we answer this?
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+a quick call for brainstorm/help.
+
+Mageia installer has information screens available, while the
+installation process goes on. It used to be ads or information.
+Examples:
+ * current state: <A HREF="http://meequz.livejournal.com/118035.html">http://meequz.livejournal.com/118035.html</A> for instance
+ * new mockup sample: <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5424891049/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5424891049/</A>
+ * other mockup for info screen:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5492025897/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5492025897/</A>
+
+We can use it to promote Mageia, the community, the contribution
+process, the project goals, etc.
+
+Who wants to lead the effort to design the contents of these screens?
+We would need about 4/5 screens in total, short text, easy to
+translate.
+
+Deadline:
+ - today, afternoon, for a single one screen copy (text).
+ - beta1 for the full screens
+
+The process involves:
+ - copywriting/testing
+ - coordination with artwork (alexn83 at this time) for
+designing/producing the screens.
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+
+I can take a stab at it now, if it isn't too late...
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a quick call for brainstorm/help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia installer has information screens available, while the
+</I>&gt;<i> installation process goes on. It used to be ads or information.
+</I>&gt;<i> Examples:
+</I>&gt;<i> * current state: <A HREF="http://meequz.livejournal.com/118035.html">http://meequz.livejournal.com/118035.html</A> for
+</I>&gt;<i> instance
+</I>&gt;<i> * new mockup sample:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5424891049/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5424891049/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> * other mockup for info screen:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5492025897/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5492025897/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can use it to promote Mageia, the community, the contribution
+</I>&gt;<i> process, the project goals, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who wants to lead the effort to design the contents of these
+</I>&gt;<i> screens? We would need about 4/5 screens in total, short text, easy
+</I>&gt;<i> to translate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Deadline:
+</I>&gt;<i> - today, afternoon, for a single one screen copy (text).
+</I>&gt;<i> - beta1 for the full screens
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The process involves:
+</I>&gt;<i> - copywriting/testing
+</I>&gt;<i> - coordination with artwork (alexn83 at this time) for
+</I>&gt;<i> designing/producing the screens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-marketing mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 18:57, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi Romain,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can take a stab at it now, if it isn't too late...
+</I>
+Sure, please do. :)
+
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+<PRE>Hi folks,
+
+We need a fast sanity check on the texts below so we can push a final
+version through to Alex for the Alpha 2 artwork *tonight* - please
+come back ASAP!
+
+Installer screen text will go in the part of the installer screen
+that changes while packages are installing. We need to have text for
+at least 1, possibly up to 6. I've got 6, but they mightn't all be
+used.
+
+We're talking to potential team members - all teams. Here goes:
+
+----
+
+1.
+
+Welcome to Mageia - want to join us? www.mageia.org
+
+2.
+
+Be part of Mageia - help us make what we're using. www.mageia.org
+
+3.
+
+Join the Mageia community - be a user *and* a maker. www.mageia.org.
+
+4.
+
+We like your interest! Come and join the Mageia team! www.mageia.org
+
+5.
+
+Where to find us? www.mageia.org - be part of the Mageia community.
+
+6.
+
+Mageia. The magic of people. Be part of it! www.mageia.org
+
+-----
+
+Comments and edits welcome!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+<PRE>Hi back!
+
+On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 19:37, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> We need a fast sanity check on the texts below so we can push a final
+</I>&gt;<i> version through to Alex for the Alpha 2 artwork *tonight* - please
+</I>&gt;<i> come back ASAP!
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+Patricia and me did a little brainstorm and came up with this:
+
+ * screen 1 : &quot;Thank you for testing Mageia Alpha 2&quot; (s/testing/using/
+for finale)
+ * screen 2 : &quot;Please give us your impressions - we need your input to
+improve on this distribution&quot;
+ * screen 3 : &quot;We are a great, international community and we will
+welcome you when you join us!&quot;
+
+Just for your info. I'll post this to Alexander now, if he has time to
+produce this into something for alpha2. And we would use that as a
+first work document for beta1.
+
+Thank you Patricia!
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Thanks Romain!
+
+&gt;<i> Hi back!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 19:37, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We need a fast sanity check on the texts below so we can push a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; final version through to Alex for the Alpha 2 artwork *tonight* -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please come back ASAP!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia and me did a little brainstorm and came up with this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * screen 1 : &quot;Thank you for testing Mageia Alpha
+</I>&gt;<i> 2&quot; (s/testing/using/ for finale)
+</I>&gt;<i> * screen 2 : &quot;Please give us your impressions - we need your input
+</I>&gt;<i> to improve on this distribution&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> * screen 3 : &quot;We are a great, international community and we will
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome you when you join us!&quot;
+</I>
+8-) Even better than we brainstormed.
+
+&gt;<i> Just for your info. I'll post this to Alexander now, if he has time
+</I>&gt;<i> to produce this into something for alpha2. And we would use that as
+</I>&gt;<i> a first work document for beta1.
+</I>
+Great.
+
+Cheers!
+
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hello there,
+
+alpha2 is out, our logo is set, let's push the bar further now.
+
+Here's a global direction document to help:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:website">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web:website</A>
+
+This needs your input from each team (market/comm, web, artwork) and
+feel free to point others to it as well to gather feedback.
+
+Feel free to comment, add, update, but keeping it focused on not too
+specific details. The goal is to write down guidelines for the
+following milestones:
+ * general style of the website
+ * global navigation (role, contents, behaviour, design,
+implementation) to be rolled out on all mageia.org as much as possible
+ * main mageia.org theme
+ * particular pages design and implementation (order/priority to
+discuss later; however I expect us to have these ready for beta1 -
+April, 5th: global nav, basic global theme &amp; downloads page).
+
+Thank you a lot for your feedback or even mockups on either list (I'll
+try to summarize) or on the page. We will start actively working on
+this in week 12 (one week after alpha2 release).
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hey there,
+
+here comes another serious part: listing and naming the different
+instances of our product, for finale release (and we ought to have
+everything square for beta2 or RC release if possible).
+
+Here are notes summarizing what we currently have available for
+delivery, given our history. There are missing use cases, perhaps
+(being more specialized). Maybe missing media as well.
+
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marcom:product_naming">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marcom:product_naming</A>
+
+Goal of this topic is double:
+ * study/propose/find a name for the product as such (Mageia? Mageia
+something? something?)
+ * refine/study/propose/find use cases to confirm existing delivered
+products or suggest new ones (new ones may not necessarily be
+available for Mageia 1, but will likely be tested just after for the
+next run).
+
+
+Advice, proposals, mockups welcome.
+
+Thanks!
+
+Romain
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+Hi Romain,
+
+I'm glad you brought this on up. I've been dreading it. For the most
+part, much of this topic has already been decided, but FWIW, I will
+comment anyway, as this is a great concern to me, and as far as I'm
+concerned, the most important aspect of whether Mageia will ultimately
+succeed as a major distro to be taken seriously.
+
+Just to point out, I haven't had any use whatsoever for Mandriva, having
+only installed it just a few times over the years, so I could be sure as
+to why I recommended EVERYONE to NOT use it.
+
+Conversely, I was a MAJOR proponent and advocate for Linux Mandrake, and
+my company was responsible for somewhere in the neighborhood of 25,000
+desktop installs at various Fortune 500's and others in the United
+States, including Merril Lynch, ARCO, AIG, and a bunch of others.
+
+Then came that damn IPO...
+
+I think we all know what happened after that. But until then, as far as
+I was concerned (Having completely abandoned the Redhat camp after RH
+5.2), it was the ONLY RPM based distro I championed for the desktop.
+
+We erradicated an awful lot of wYNdOZe in the enterprise with Mandrake.
+
+As far as servers, however, I am not a proponent of RPM based distros -
+nor will I be. I'm just not your man if you want someone to tout the
+benefits of Mageia in the datacenter or back office. It ain't gonna
+happen in any of my shops.
+
+Yes, I'm quite prejudiced, yet this is not to say that I don't think
+Mageia or Mandrake would work well as a server. It does evidence my
+preferences for (IMNSHO) more suitable distros to serve that purpose.
+
+And for that purpose, I'm kind of a
+Slackware/debian/Sorcerer/Arch/Linboard kinda guy (Yes, I've been
+installing and running Linboard Linux in the enterprise and datacenters
+since I created it in 1992, and in 1993 it became available on the
+shelves of many prominent stores via the retail distribution channels).
+
+Occasionally, yet very rarely, I will actually settle on CentOS, but
+that is mostly for datacenter installs for hosting companies, as has,
+for the most part, only to do with the nice integration between
+WHM/cPanel for their customers.
+
+Other than that, I have virtually no use for an RPM based distro for
+anything other than the desktop (with the possible exception of SuSE).
+
+I'm hoping that Mageia will fill that gap that has been, IMO, missing
+from the desktop distro offerings since Mandrake met its demise and
+became Mandriva.
+
+This is not to say that I think Mageia is not a good product for the
+back office or datacenter - I've just been through RPM hell too many
+times over the last 15 years and don't see it as a sustainable model -
+and from my perspective, it has never proven to be suitable for that
+kind of that environment as far as I'm concerned (SuSE included).
+
+Remember, I come from a Sys III / BSD background. I was raised to
+believe that a server should be capable of being maintained for ten or
+more years, which is exactly what I have when I run Slackware, debian,
+xBSD, or Solaris.
+
+Therefore, my perspective might be quite different (and undoubtedly is)
+from others here on the Mageia team.
+
+But before I briefly address your subject below, let's look at the other
+side of the coin before people get the wrong idea about what I expect
+from Mageia and where I think (Hope) it is going to shine.
+
+First, I'm hoping that Mageia will make for the wonderful, award winning
+desktop distro that Mandrake was (as I've already indicated).
+
+Second, Slackware and Debian, although my first choices usually for
+enterprise servers, are really not paricularly well suited for desktop
+deployment for the average joe (Well, debian can be). For example, I'm
+writing this email on a pure Slackware64 -current laptop - Something
+that I definately would almost NEVER recommend to anyone but a seasoned
+sysadmin.
+
+Third, and I might get flamed for this, but Ubuntu just sux green
+weenies. I'd rather give someone a Knoppix LiveCD than see them run that
+bastard distro. Again, I admit I'm quite prejudiced when it comes to
+choosing distros for a particular application.
+
+Okay so what do we have now? Several reasons why I just don't see any
+use for an RPM based distro (with rare exceptions for SuSE and CentOS)as
+an enterprise server, and several reasons why I feel my favorite server
+platforms are not suitable for massive desktop deployment in the enterprise.
+
+One thing that disgusts me (Aside from RHEL), are the enterprise
+offerings from Mandriva. You can download some &quot;Enterprise&quot; versions of
+the distro, and not pay for support (WTF does support mean anyway?), but
+you aren't, according to the website entitled to updates - that is just
+INSANE!!!
+
+And then, there other, in my opinion, utterly useless versions of the
+distro that are lacking in some way, because of the inference that they
+are somehow mission specific, crippled, or otherwise lacking in
+capability (even though they're really not).
+
+So, to address your topic of addressing the, &quot;...listing and naming of
+the different instances of our product,...&quot;, I offer the following, as a
+roster of what *I* would like to see :)
+
+1.) Of course, a full featured, Mageia LiveCD (I don't personally have
+much use for these, but recognize and recommend that such an entity
+exists for many reasons, too numerous to list here.
+
+Things like LibreOffice, and other *end user* software should be
+included in this packed image.
+
+2.) For lack of a better term, a *utility* or *minimal* LiveCD. I know
+that leaves a lot of wiggle room for people to figure out what should be
+included in such a spin.
+
+A plethora of *utilities* should be included, including things like
+Wireshark (Ethereal), EtherApe, Filezilla, CLI and forensic tools, but
+not going overboard with that because distros like Backtrack 3/4 already
+have narrow focus on that front.
+
+3.) A Mageia Minimal offering - Like debian's Netinst - a minimal spin
+that you can use to quickly get an OS deployed and finish/customize over
+the wire and/or via scripts - such a spin makes large scale enterprise
+desktop delployments not only possible, but friendly to the VARs and
+Integrators who will be rolling out the Mageia desktop en masse in the
+enterprise.
+
+4.) A Mageia Full: this should be the shining gemstone of planet Mageia.
+a complete set of userland applications, office and productivity suites,
+games, whatever will make people go, &quot;Man that Mageia is really kewl and
+full featured right out of the box!&quot;.
+
+Lot's of bells and whistles for the home user and corporate desktop
+alike, something that will give that Ubuntu crap a run for its money
+from a team that is organized similarly to that of the debian project
+(as we are), instead of some corporate sponsored, special interest
+driven, distro - like Ubuntu, Redhat, and Mandriva are (Yeah,
+unfortunately, SuSE falls into this category too, although there is
+OpenSuSE too).
+
+Finally, and no *handy* distro would be complete without it, a USB stick
+version of Mageia, pretty much the same thing as Mageia Minimal, or
+Mageia LiveCD, but something that IT persons and Internet Cafe patrons
+alike, can carry on their keychains and boot from quickly, to surf or
+access Cloud resources.
+
+In my opinion, Whether any kind of Enterprise support packages are
+offered or not for Mageia, there shouldn't be ANY DISTINCTION WHATSOEVER
+between one of the above spins of Mageia and support subscription ready
+versions - IOW: Specific *Enterprise* or otherwise specialty spins of
+Mageia *Should NOT exist* - the distro should be able to stand upon its
+own in the community and be equally appropriate for those who want to
+self-administer with community support or paid subscription support.
+
+I'll retell this one story briefly here again:
+
+One day, a member of the development team in the medical industry
+company where I worked came to me and asked if he could have resources
+on a production server for one of our upcoming products that I had
+previously provided him a custom staging server for (Watch out for Java
+programmers, they want ALL of your memory LOL).
+
+Since we were moving, wrt this particular suite of apps, from beta to
+limited production for final elbow checking before general release and
+shrink wrap, I told him I could give him space and resources for his
+apps to run on one of our older, less used forward facing servers.
+
+Well this particular server was an RHEL box, and the software didn't run
+because of certain aspects of his suite, to make a long story short,
+that needed some specific support in the Linux Kernel.
+
+So I pushed him back three or four days and said I would compile him a
+kernel on that box that would meet his needs and then no prob.... Until
+one of the VPs came to me and asked if this was okay to do.
+
+&quot;But of course it is&quot;, was my general response. I mean, what could be
+more natural than compiling a custom kernel?
+
+But the VP urged me to contact RH and ask them if is was *OKAY* to
+compile and install a custom kernel on a box with an RH Enterprise
+support subscription.
+
+I grudgingly obliged his suggestion, and was subsequently informed by
+Redhat that we could NOT run this software (meaning, I couldn't install
+my own kernel).
+
+I had never heard of such a thing (um... Well, back in the mainframe
+days, sure).
+
+Basically, I was informed by the Friendly Redhat support person that in
+order to run a custom kernel, that I had to provide Redhat with the
+particular specifications and THEY would compile the kernel for me.
+
+The argument has been made on several sysadmin lists that since you are
+paying Redhat to hold your hand and do everything for you, that you
+should just let them do it.
+
+Okay, but then why do I need to be drawing a salary if Redhat can, and
+will, do everything that I was contracted to do?
+
+I thanked the nice gentleman at Redhat and went about my day. in the
+late afternoon, when the second shift of my admins started to arrive, I
+gathered everyone up in a conference room and told them that on Friday,
+they would all need to bring sleeping bags, a bunch of sandwiches,
+bottled drinks, and a couple changes of clothes - and be prepared to
+live on premise for the entire weekend.
+
+Come 06:30hrs Monday morning, there wasn't a single living Redhat
+machine left in the entire enterprise, and the developer had his
+production machine ready to launch his RC1.
+
+The moral of the story is like this - If we create a distro that has a
+*spin* which requires an enterprise support contract like Redhat or
+Oracle (basically the same distro, but Oracle's enterprise support
+package is cheaper), then we will alienate massive amounts of
+administrators, and since Redhat already has this particular market
+cornered for the idiot pencil pushers who for some stupid reason make
+such support a requirement for the adoption of a vendors product, Mageia
+will fail miserably - and I will abandon it as well.
+
+On the other hand, if we simply provide enterprise support as a value
+added option for some, or any of our distro's various spins, then I'm
+all for it - even if such a model isn't in the works.
+
+Preferably, I would like to see a Mageia certification program, and
+links to vendors that provide enterprise support for Mageia
+installations, but regardless, the Redhat model is a big loser for
+Mageia if it is adopted.
+
+Another way to derive income for the project would be to bundle third
+party, *non-free* software suites with optional or mandatory
+licensing/support packages. I won't personally use any software like
+that, but I have nothing against it and the publishers of such software
+will pay the Mageia project handsomely for such exclusivity, access to
+their wares, and the advertising space on our websites.
+
+Okay moving along now :)
+
+As for the actual *Naming* for our products... Well that's really not
+important to me, as long as the average joe is able to make a
+distinction between what the various product spins of our distro above
+are, and which one is right for them.
+
+I'm really hoping that we end up with a product that I can confidently,
+and proudly recommend on the enterprise desktop which I have no
+hesitation to use, in the campaign to erradicate wINdOZe.
+
+To summarize the most important points of what I expect to see emerge
+from our product line:
+
+1.) No particular spin of our distribution should be crippled (like some
+Mandriva spins are), yielding an installation that is either full
+featured from the start, or with regards to a minimal netinst spin of
+our product, completely capable of seamlessly becoming the full featured
+version with a couple (okay maybe six or seven) clicks of the mouse.
+
+2.) If there is to be an enterprise support offering, it is something to
+augment the user's installations of Mageia, irrespective of the
+particular spin they chose to install, and without the requirement that
+any *special* version of Mageia need be created for such purpose.
+
+3.) We should have a LiveCD and USB stick version which fits on a single
+CD, and on a USB flash drive of less than or equal to 1GByte. Those
+versions should also have an exceedingly easy and DIRECT migration path
+to install the *live* system onto the hard drive, yielding a complete
+Mageia installation that conforms to item #1 above.
+
+4.) We should have all of the above offerings in a strictly 32bit
+version of Mageia, for backward compatibilty support for older, or
+crippled hardware, while our flagship products should be 64bit multi-lib
+enabled.
+
+This last point might need some clarification. While I am, essentially a
+Slackware stalwart, and have been for over 15 years, we slackers
+typically believe that one should have a pure 32bit version of a distro,
+and a pure 64bit version that is multi-libe ready, but not enabled. I do
+not advocate such a thing for Mageia - I believe that all 64 versions of
+our product also be 32bit enabled - we're talking about two different
+beasts here, and if our 64bit versions won't run 32bit apps out of the
+box - we are doomed.
+
+I hope that helps :)
+
+Bradley.
+
+On 03/15/2011 07:58 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hey there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here comes another serious part: listing and naming the different
+</I>&gt;<i> instances of our product, for finale release (and we ought to have
+</I>&gt;<i> everything square for beta2 or RC release if possible).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here are notes summarizing what we currently have available for
+</I>&gt;<i> delivery, given our history. There are missing use cases, perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> (being more specialized). Maybe missing media as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marcom:product_naming">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=marcom:product_naming</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Goal of this topic is double:
+</I>&gt;<i> * study/propose/find a name for the product as such (Mageia? Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> something? something?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * refine/study/propose/find use cases to confirm existing delivered
+</I>&gt;<i> products or suggest new ones (new ones may not necessarily be
+</I>&gt;<i> available for Mageia 1, but will likely be tested just after for the
+</I>&gt;<i> next run).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Advice, proposals, mockups welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Mageia-marketing at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing</A>
+</I>
+- --
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+Manager Network Services
+NorthTech Computer
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+<PRE>Hi Bradley,
+
+and thank you for taking the time for such a long answer. Summarizing it, I see:
+
+ * LiveCD (end users)
+ * minimal utility LiveCD (advanced technical/sysadmin user)
+ * netinstall (anyone)
+ * full DVD (anyone)
+ * USB version (anyone)
+ * 64b version should run 32b apps/libs
+ * not crippling any release (see comments below)
+
+that somehow recoups the list on the previous page. So the matter is
+still more in the names and use cases.
+
+On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 21:27, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> For the most part, much of this topic has already been decided,
+</I>
+It happens that we have a list of formats we'd like to release, and
+that's what is listed on the page, but the discussion is open anyway.
+The goal is really to have a table with two columns: what will be done
+for Mageia 1, what will be aimed for Mageia 2.
+
+&gt;<i> As far as servers, however, I am not a proponent of RPM based distros -
+</I>&gt;<i> nor will I be. I'm just not your man if you want someone to tout the
+</I>&gt;<i> benefits of Mageia in the datacenter or back office.
+</I>
+Ok. But (apart from the &quot;why?&quot;) that doesn't mean it doesn't qualify
+at all. There are servers and servers. And there are things beyond
+desktop and server.
+
+&gt;<i> there shouldn't be ANY DISTINCTION WHATSOEVER between one
+</I>&gt;<i> of the above spins of Mageia and support subscription ready versions
+</I>&gt;<i> [...] the distro should be able to stand upon its own in the community
+</I>&gt;<i> and be equally appropriate for those who want to self-administer with
+</I>&gt;<i> community support or paid subscription support.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, if we simply provide enterprise support as a value
+</I>&gt;<i> added option for some, or any of our distro's various spins, then I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> all for it - even if such a model isn't in the works.
+</I>
+There's no reason why we would provide a crippled version of anything
+- unless you start to consider the software patents issue, but even
+there, that's a kind of restriction that is taken into account at the
+whole project level (through the media policy).
+
+Mageia.Org is not going to conduct commercial activities. And any
+business may come around and provide professional support or any
+derivative/spin of Mageia main line, or added-value package. Those are
+even encouraged and would be referenced as support/extension providers
+to the main product.
+
+&gt;<i> I'm really hoping that we end up with a product that I can confidently,
+</I>&gt;<i> and proudly recommend on the enterprise desktop which I have no
+</I>&gt;<i> hesitation to use, in the campaign to erradicate wINdOZe.
+</I>
+For the next 5 years (10 at most), however, the enterprise desktop is
+as waning a target as the personal desktop, at least in its current
+form. At best, it will stay as a development or static platform.
+Common usage of computers is becoming more and more transparent
+through many other devices and use cases. We ought to explore these
+more and more (but that's out of scope for Mageia 1).
+
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+
+I'm conflating answers to package naming and website stuff together,
+because I think the two have some cross-over.
+
+One of the reasons a person new to Mageia will visit the site is to
+find out about Mageia and its various flavours/iterations, and
+whether they fit the visitor's use case, or appeal to their wish to
+join a project. So, whatever we call the &quot;products&quot; &lt;shudder&gt;, we
+need to communicate about them really, really effectively.
+
+&gt;<i> Goal of this topic is double:
+</I>&gt;<i> * study/propose/find a name for the product as such (Mageia? Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> something? something?)
+</I>
+Skirting around this for the moment, except to say that I favour the
+style Mageia {flavour} {n}; can our names follow the Mageia-Cauldron
+lineage maybe? Alchemy for the one where you have to roll your own
+kernel... 8-) I'm afraid I don't find the explication on the wiki
+very helpful - are we going to have flavours, for different use
+cases, or just what is it we're naming?
+
+&gt;<i> * refine/study/propose/find use cases to confirm existing delivered
+</I>&gt;<i> products or suggest new ones (new ones may not necessarily be
+</I>&gt;<i> available for Mageia 1, but will likely be tested just after for the
+</I>&gt;<i> next run).
+</I>
+Skirting around his one too, *but*:
+
+Whatever &quot;products&quot; we have on our list (I hate that word. Can we
+find another, less commercial generic term for the various flavours
+of Mageia?), something *nobody* does well and we could is:
+
+- Have a full specifications page on the site for each flavour,
+ linked from the main list;
+ - for instance, *why* use the &quot;gamers&quot; or &quot;multimedia&quot; or
+ &quot;VI Accessible&quot; flavour? What is better about it? What are
+ the gotchas? What packages do you get on the ISO? What
+ kernel is in it and what's installed if you just take the
+ default? What services will run with the default install?
+ What have we changed in packages from the upstream settings?
+ etc. etc. etc.
+ - most of this info should be available from the packagers -
+ can we ask them to give the comms team a heads-up in some
+ way when they add/change things, so information on flavour
+ pages can be updated?
+- have a progression from less to more technical/detailed info - links
+ to package info, for instance, especially the Drak packages and
+ their derivatives and other Mageia/Mandriva specialist packages -
+ I've had msec installed for umpty years and I still haven't ever
+ found decent documentation!
+- Include release dates of each Flavour, and links to older versions;
+ link to the info from the roadmap; make it possible to land on
+ Flavour info from lots of places including the front page, with
+ that link right up at the top of the page.
+- Link to Forum/ML discussions about particular flavours (if we have
+ fora/mls dedicated - which we hope we'll get nice and large so we
+ will 8-)).
+
+This would add a chunk of data to the website as its currently
+envisioned, but it would add a *lot* to the user experience.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia,
+
+and thanks a lot for your insights.
+
+On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 20:19, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm conflating answers to package naming and website stuff together,
+</I>&gt;<i> because I think the two have some cross-over.
+</I>
+To some extent. But the product ought to live without this website,
+and the website is not only about the final (but about the process to
+get there, and go beyond). At some point, we may even consider to have
+a dedicated website for the product, but we're not there yet.
+
+&gt;<i> One of the reasons a person new to Mageia will visit the site is to
+</I>&gt;<i> find out about Mageia and its various flavours/iterations, and
+</I>&gt;<i> whether they fit the visitor's use case, or appeal to their wish to
+</I>&gt;<i> join a project. So, whatever we call the &quot;products&quot; &lt;shudder&gt;, we
+</I>&gt;<i> need to communicate about them really, really effectively.
+</I>
+Totally, yes.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Goal of this topic is double:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* study/propose/find a name for the product as such (Mageia? Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something? something?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Skirting around this for the moment, except to say that I favour the
+</I>&gt;<i> style Mageia {flavour} {n}; can our names follow the Mageia-Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> lineage maybe? Alchemy for the one where you have to roll your own
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel... 8-) I'm afraid I don't find the explication on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> very helpful - are we going to have flavours, for different use
+</I>&gt;<i> cases, or just what is it we're naming?
+</I>
+I may not have been very specific on what is meant by a &quot;use case&quot;
+here. It's not about targetting a gamers group, or a developr group,
+or a hitchhikers group, etc. It's more about how experienced one is
+(not at all, or to some extent) and how the linux distribution is made
+available for testing/installation: install DVD, live/install CD or
+USB key, netboot install, etc.
+
+This, because at this point at least, the only kind of &quot;flavour&quot; we
+would have is this: how to download and use the very same product
+(that is, the same tree of packages, available either through a
+physical medium, either through the network).
+
+Well, that's true for the ISO meant to use live or install the system.
+It's a little bit different for the pluggable storage (USB key for
+now) that provides a different experience: you can use it live,
+install it _and_ have a persistent storage for your data.
+
+So my naming question, to frame it better (and feel free to indicate
+me how/where to make this more clear on the web page) is more about:
+ * how do we name those different access/install experiences? the same
+(Mageia) + a casual description (DVD, LiveCD, netinstall, minimal,
+mobile)? (I favour this, but) or more inspirational names?
+ * and how do we frame them to the new visitor that wants to &quot;download
+Mageia&quot; ?
+
+&gt;<i> Whatever &quot;products&quot; we have on our list (I hate that word. Can we
+</I>&gt;<i> find another, less commercial generic term for the various flavours
+</I>&gt;<i> of Mageia?),
+</I>
+We could, but &quot;product&quot; is the result of some &quot;production&quot;. Nothing
+commercial in this. &quot;artefact&quot; wouldn't qualify I guess. No particular
+idea here.
+
+&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- most of this info should be available from the packagers -
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;can we ask them to give the comms team a heads-up in some
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;way when they add/change things, so information on flavour
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;pages can be updated?
+</I>
+That would rely on checking each package changelog and getting in
+touch with the packagers. I don't know how to put some incentive (or
+how to integrate these changelogs) as to make this more easily
+informative. I believe mageia-app-db work done by Stormi can help a
+lot here.
+
+&gt;<i> - have a progression from less to more technical/detailed info - links
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;to package info, for instance, especially the Drak packages and
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;their derivatives and other Mageia/Mandriva specialist packages -
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;I've had msec installed for umpty years and I still haven't ever
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;found decent documentation!
+</I>
+Yes! To find the right balance, and delivering it as a useful, clear,
+to the point doc, still attractive and welcoming. We can do it. We can
+do it. There's a lot to learn from Rails and similar modern web dev
+tools online documentation that is far ahead.
+
+
+Romain
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+a reminder just in case, we hold a meeting at 16:00 UTC on
+#mageia-marcom to review past topics. Feel free to invite people!
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+From: Patricia Fraser
+Date: Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 22:46
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+To: Romain d'Alverny
+
+Hi Romain,
+
+&gt;<i> and thanks a lot for your insights.
+</I>
+You're welcome!
+
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 20:19, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm conflating answers to package naming and website stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; together, because I think the two have some cross-over.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To some extent. But the product ought to live without this website,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the website is not only about the final (but about the process
+</I>&gt;<i> to get there, and go beyond). At some point, we may even consider
+</I>&gt;<i> to have a dedicated website for the product, but we're not there
+</I>&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>
+The point I didn't communicate very well was: if we have the
+distribution, and we want people to use it, we absolutely need to have
+the information about it out there, easily accessible and readily
+found, and the best place for that is on the Mageia website - so I
+think the product really won't live without the website.
+
+We maybe don't need the website right this minute, but we need all
+the time between now and release day for Mageia 1, to put things in
+place - so it makes sense to talk about it now and plan for it.
+
+&gt;<i> I may not have been very specific on what is meant by a &quot;use case&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> here. It's not about targetting a gamers group, or a developr group,
+</I>&gt;<i> or a hitchhikers group, etc. It's more about how experienced one is
+</I>&gt;<i> (not at all, or to some extent) and how the linux distribution is
+</I>&gt;<i> made available for testing/installation: install DVD, live/install
+</I>&gt;<i> CD or USB key, netboot install, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This, because at this point at least, the only kind of &quot;flavour&quot; we
+</I>&gt;<i> would have is this: how to download and use the very same product
+</I>&gt;<i> (that is, the same tree of packages, available either through a
+</I>&gt;<i> physical medium, either through the network).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that's true for the ISO meant to use live or install the
+</I>&gt;<i> system. It's a little bit different for the pluggable storage (USB
+</I>&gt;<i> key for now) that provides a different experience: you can use it
+</I>&gt;<i> live, install it _and_ have a persistent storage for your data.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So my naming question, to frame it better (and feel free to indicate
+</I>&gt;<i> me how/where to make this more clear on the web page) is more about:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* how do we name those different access/install experiences? the
+</I>&gt;<i> same (Mageia) + a casual description (DVD, LiveCD, netinstall,
+</I>&gt;<i> minimal, mobile)? (I favour this, but) or more inspirational names?
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* and how do we frame them to the new visitor that wants to
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;download Mageia&quot; ?
+</I>
+Okay - understood. Then, maybe, we name it according to the kind of
+installation rather than something confusing, and we have a way for
+a new user - I'm thinking new-to-Linux as much as new-to-Mageia - to
+discover a) what each of them means *and* b) which of them will suit
+this user at the moment. A &quot;what does each one do&quot; set of information
+and a &quot;which one do I want&quot; set of information.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Whatever &quot;products&quot; we have on our list (I hate that word. Can we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; find another, less commercial generic term for the various
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; flavours of Mageia?),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could, but &quot;product&quot; is the result of some &quot;production&quot;. Nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> commercial in this. &quot;artefact&quot; wouldn't qualify I guess. No
+</I>&gt;<i> particular idea here.
+</I>
+&lt;marketing hat on&gt;
+
+The problem with this kind of naming is that it's inward-facing - it
+refers back to the people already in the project. We need an
+outward-facing name, to talk to the people who aren't in the Mageia
+community yet; once they've tried it, we hope they'll join! &quot;Product&quot;
+is an expression that puts a fence between makers and newcomers.
+
+It would be good to name Mageia releases/iterations/flavours in a
+way that says to the newcomer: &quot;this is for you! We hope you like it!&quot;
+and even &quot;if you like it, maybe you'll join us?&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;- most of this info should be available from the packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - can we ask them to give the comms team a heads-up in some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;way when they add/change things, so information on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; flavour pages can be updated?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would rely on checking each package changelog and getting in
+</I>&gt;<i> touch with the packagers. I don't know how to put some incentive (or
+</I>&gt;<i> how to integrate these changelogs) as to make this more easily
+</I>&gt;<i> informative. I believe mageia-app-db work done by Stormi can help a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot here.
+</I>
+How do we get to take a look at what's currently in mageia-app-db?
+I've seen some mention of it on the Devel list, but I haven't read
+it in any detail.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; - have a progression from less to more technical/detailed info -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; links to package info, for instance, especially the Drak packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and their derivatives and other Mageia/Mandriva specialist
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages - I've had msec installed for umpty years and I still
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; haven't ever found decent documentation!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes! To find the right balance, and delivering it as a useful,
+</I>&gt;<i> clear, to the point doc, still attractive and welcoming. We can do
+</I>&gt;<i> it. We can do it. There's a lot to learn from Rails and similar
+</I>&gt;<i> modern web dev tools online documentation that is far ahead.
+</I>
+Documentation is often the poor relation, but it's the place where
+makers talk to users; it's the place where we can be the most
+welcoming - like a gateway into the community. Worth doing.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
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+<PRE>Hi Patricia (re-cc'ing the list),
+
+On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 22:46, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> We maybe don't need the website right this minute, but we need all
+</I>&gt;<i> the time between now and release day for Mageia 1, to put things in
+</I>&gt;<i> place - so it makes sense to talk about it now and plan for it.
+</I>
+Yes of course.
+
+&gt;<i> Okay - understood. Then, maybe, we name it according to the kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> installation rather than something confusing, and we have a way for
+</I>&gt;<i> a new user - I'm thinking new-to-Linux as much as new-to-Mageia - to
+</I>&gt;<i> discover a) what each of them means *and* b) which of them will suit
+</I>&gt;<i> this user at the moment. A &quot;what does each one do&quot; set of information
+</I>&gt;<i> and a &quot;which one do I want&quot; set of information.
+</I>
+Yes. Simple.
+
+So that would make:
+ * Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+ * Mageia 1 dual arch CD
+ * Mageia 1 netinstall CD
+ * Mageia 1 LiveCD (32, 64bit, locale specific)
+ * Mageia 1 Mobile (for an equivalent to Flash)
+
+that we can explain in a download/selection page depending on the
+intended uses, with a set of default download made available in one
+click (typically, that could be the 32bit LiveCD or dualarch CD).
+
+&gt;<i> It would be good to name Mageia releases/iterations/flavours in a
+</I>&gt;<i> way that says to the newcomer: &quot;this is for you! We hope you like it!&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and even &quot;if you like it, maybe you'll join us?&quot;
+</I>
+Definitely yes. That could be &quot;platform&quot;; although, speaking of
+&quot;Mageia platform&quot; may refer to the project itself, the infrastructure,
+or the end-product-distribution. Hence maybe the need to consider a
+product-focused&quot; name in the future, distinct from &quot;Mageia&quot; (that
+would be the project's name).
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Yes! To find the right balance, and delivering it as a useful,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> clear, to the point doc, still attractive and welcoming. We can do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it. We can do it. There's a lot to learn from Rails and similar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> modern web dev tools online documentation that is far ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Documentation is often the poor relation, but it's the place where
+</I>&gt;<i> makers talk to users; it's the place where we can be the most
+</I>&gt;<i> welcoming - like a gateway into the community. Worth doing.
+</I>
+Totally agree. I would hope that we get to the point of having
+something like <A HREF="http://developer.mozilla.org/">http://developer.mozilla.org/</A> equivalent for the
+developer/technical contributor side and st equivalent for
+users/newcomers.
+
+Romain
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+
+&lt;LOUD REMINDER ABOUT MEETING TOMORROW TO ANYONE READING THIS!!&gt;
+
+Sorry 8-).
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Okay - understood. Then, maybe, we name it according to the kind
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of installation rather than something confusing, and we have a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way for a new user - I'm thinking new-to-Linux as much as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; new-to-Mageia - to discover a) what each of them means *and* b)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which of them will suit this user at the moment. A &quot;what does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each one do&quot; set of information and a &quot;which one do I want&quot; set
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of information.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes. Simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that would make:
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 dual arch CD
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 netinstall CD
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 LiveCD (32, 64bit, locale specific)
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 Mobile (for an equivalent to Flash)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that we can explain in a download/selection page depending on the
+</I>&gt;<i> intended uses, with a set of default download made available in one
+</I>&gt;<i> click (typically, that could be the 32bit LiveCD or dualarch CD).
+</I>
+Sounds great. Now if we can just organise an extra 8 hours in the
+day, I'll start writing some of the docs... 8-)
+
+Is the doc team doing anything yet? Sorry, I don't really look at a
+lot of the activity outside of marcomms/artwork.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; It would be good to name Mageia releases/iterations/flavours in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way that says to the newcomer: &quot;this is for you! We hope you like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it!&quot; and even &quot;if you like it, maybe you'll join us?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Definitely yes. That could be &quot;platform&quot;; although, speaking of
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia platform&quot; may refer to the project itself, the
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure, or the end-product-distribution. Hence maybe the
+</I>&gt;<i> need to consider a product-focused&quot; name in the future, distinct
+</I>&gt;<i> from &quot;Mageia&quot; (that would be the project's name).
+</I>
+How about words like: issue, release, volume...? Platform is easy to
+confuse with hardware, and distribution would include everything we
+release, ne?
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes! To find the right balance, and delivering it as a useful,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; clear, to the point doc, still attractive and welcoming. We can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; do it. We can do it. There's a lot to learn from Rails and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; similar modern web dev tools online documentation that is far
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Documentation is often the poor relation, but it's the place where
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; makers talk to users; it's the place where we can be the most
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; welcoming - like a gateway into the community. Worth doing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Totally agree. I would hope that we get to the point of having
+</I>&gt;<i> something like <A HREF="http://developer.mozilla.org/">http://developer.mozilla.org/</A> equivalent for the
+</I>&gt;<i> developer/technical contributor side and st equivalent for
+</I>&gt;<i> users/newcomers.
+</I>
+Yep - and maybe a portal-ish front page that lets people find their
+way to the appropriate spot, which can change as time goes by!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - most of this info should be available from the packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; - can we ask them to give the comms team a heads-up in some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; way when they add/change things, so information on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; flavour pages can be updated?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That would rely on checking each package changelog and getting in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; touch with the packagers. I don't know how to put some incentive (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; how to integrate these changelogs) as to make this more easily
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; informative. I believe mageia-app-db work done by Stormi can help a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lot here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How do we get to take a look at what's currently in mageia-app-db?
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seen some mention of it on the Devel list, but I haven't read
+</I>&gt;<i> it in any detail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+You can see a test instance at <A HREF="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/</A>
+
+It won't feature mail or RSS notifications before the end of april, but it can
+already be used to browse the list of available packages. The &quot;updates&quot; page
+shows package updates ordered by descending buildtime.
+
+By default, a filter is set to show only applications. If you want
+to see all packages, check both &quot;yes&quot; and &quot;no&quot; in the applications filter
+
+Can it be useful for your team ?
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; - can we ask them to give the comms team a heads-up in some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; way when they add/change things, so information on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; flavour pages can be updated?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That would rely on checking each package changelog and getting
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in touch with the packagers. I don't know how to put some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; incentive (or how to integrate these changelogs) as to make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; this more easily informative. I believe mageia-app-db work done
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; by Stormi can help a lot here.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How do we get to take a look at what's currently in mageia-app-db?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've seen some mention of it on the Devel list, but I haven't read
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it in any detail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can see a test instance at <A HREF="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It won't feature mail or RSS notifications before the end of april,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it can already be used to browse the list of available
+</I>&gt;<i> packages. The &quot;updates&quot; page shows package updates ordered by
+</I>&gt;<i> descending buildtime.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By default, a filter is set to show only applications. If you want
+</I>&gt;<i> to see all packages, check both &quot;yes&quot; and &quot;no&quot; in the applications
+</I>&gt;<i> filter
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can it be useful for your team ?
+</I>
+On a quick (very quick!) look, I think so - I'm hoping there's a way
+to link package documentation to the rest of the package info, since
+that's what's usually missing!
+
+Thanks for the link!
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 20:55, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &lt;LOUD REMINDER ABOUT MEETING TOMORROW TO ANYONE READING THIS!!&gt;
+</I>
+Today, 16:00 UTC.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 dual arch CD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 netinstall CD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 LiveCD (32, 64bit, locale specific)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 Mobile (for an equivalent to Flash)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that we can explain in a download/selection page depending on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> intended uses, with a set of default download made available in one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> click (typically, that could be the 32bit LiveCD or dualarch CD).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds great. Now if we can just organise an extra 8 hours in the
+</I>&gt;<i> day, I'll start writing some of the docs... 8-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is the doc team doing anything yet?
+</I>
+I am not sure. I don't think so.
+
+After a discussion with Anne (and related topic on -dev), I think we
+should hold a quick related survey about:
+ * people's perception over the advantages/preferences/disadvantages
+of LiveCDs and full installers
+ * people's perception over the separation of 100% free software
+CD/DVD (providing only our &quot;core&quot; media) and non-free (providing core,
+nonfree and possibly tainted, for hardware drivers for instance).
+
+to make sure we are on track.
+
+&gt;<i> How about words like: issue, release, volume...? Platform is easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> confuse with hardware, and distribution would include everything we
+</I>&gt;<i> release, ne?
+</I>
+That's why a distinct, proper noun would be best. &quot;Issue&quot; may be
+confused with &quot;bug&quot; or &quot;ticket&quot; in the bug-tracking sense. &quot;Volume&quot;
+may be confused with storage volumes, however it could make it I
+guess.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Bradley D. Thornton</B>
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+Hey I was playing around with what amounted to a stack of names that
+went through my head here and there. It's kind of in a list type of format.
+
+It's probably best viewed as plain text.
+
+Here's a short list of possibile monikers to consider along. Feel Free
+to Add to it or whatever. Alternates of this scheme follow the main list
+
+Mageia I eServer (Enterprise Server)
+Mageia I Flash (USB Flash Drive)
+Mageia I Home (Home/Desktops/Laptops/Workstations)
+Mageia I Live (LiveCD)
+Mageia I netLite (NetinstCD)
+Mageia I OpenVM (DVD w/Guests &amp; Templates for the following:
+ VirtualBox; Bochs; VMWare; OpenVZ; Xen PV)
+
+
+
+Other similar monikers:
+
+1.) Magieia I eServer
+
+ a.) Mageia I e
+ b.) Mageia I E
+ c.) Mageia I Enterprise
+ d.) Mageia I Server
+ e.) Mageia I Datacenter
+ f.) Mageia I Production
+ g.) Mageia I Prod [*] My Personal Fav
+
+2.) Mageia I Flash
+
+ a.) Mageia I USB
+ b.) Mageia I uFlash
+ c.) Mageia I u
+ d.) Mageia I U
+ e.) Mageia I Stick
+ f.) Mageia I In A Flash
+ g.) Mageia I Pocket Edition
+ h.) Mageia I Pocket
+ i.) Mageia I Tote
+ j.) Mageia I uTote
+ k.) Mageia I CarryOn
+
+3.) Mageiea I Home
+
+ a.) Mageia I h
+ b.) Mageia I H
+ c.) Mageia I d
+ d.) Mageia I D
+ e.) Mageia I Desktop
+ f.) Mageia I Workstation
+ g.) Mageia I WorkSpace
+ h.) Mageia I Personal
+ i.) Mageia I You
+ j.) Mageia I Pro
+ k.) Mageia I WS
+ l.) Mageia I ProW
+ m.) Mageia I ProDesktop
+ n.) Mageia I Extreme
+ o.) Mageia I P
+ p.) Mageia I Station [*] My Personal Fav
+
+4.) Mageia I Live
+
+ a.) Mageia I LiveCD
+ b.) Mageia I Anywhere
+
+5.) Mageia I netLite
+
+ a.) Mageia I Net
+ b.) Mageia I NetInstall
+ c.) Mageia I Lite
+ d.) Mageia I Min
+ e.) Mageia I NetInst
+ f.) Mageia I Stream
+
+6.) Mageia I OpenVM
+
+ a.) Mageia I VM [*] My Personal Fav
+ b.) Mageia I VM Pack
+ c.) Mageia I Guest
+ d.) Mageia I VirtualMachine
+ e.) Mageia I Virtual
+ f.) Mageia I V
+ g.) Mateia I GuestVM
+ h.) Mageia I Portable
+
+
+
+
+- --
+Bradley D. Thornton
+Manager Network Services
+NorthTech Computer
+TEL: +1.760.666.2703 (US)
+TEL: +44.702.405.1909 (UK)
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+<PRE>Hi all,
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+I don't know how many of you have seen or checked out the info about
+team representatives on council:
+
+A representative duties are to represent their team's voice to the
+Council, or to ponder the discussions within the Council; the Council
+meets every Monday around 19:00 UTC and discussed matters that usually
+already surfaced (or will surface) on other mailing-lists. And the
+exact in's and out's are still to be refined of course.
+
+You can check these two docs for more details about the current
+design of this:
+ * <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council</A>
+ * <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</A>
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+I'm happy to do this, if nobody else wants to put their hand up.
+
+BUT!
+
+Any representative on the council needs input and feedback from the
+rest of the team - our marketing and comms teams are a bit absent just
+now.
+
+This could be a very good time to hear from the rest of us...?
+
+Cheers,
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 22:16, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I don't know how many of you have seen or checked out the info about
+</I>&gt;<i> team representatives on council: [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm happy to do this, if nobody else wants to put their hand up.
+</I>
+That would be great, yes !
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+<PRE>Ok, htere's a quick followup and proposal to discuss. I'll forward to
+-discuss next week for further review, so please comment here and now
+already. :-p
+
+On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:31, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 dual arch CD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 netinstall CD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 LiveCD (32, 64bit, locale specific)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 Mobile (for an equivalent to Flash)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that we can explain in a download/selection page depending on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> intended uses, with a set of default download made available in one
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> click (typically, that could be the 32bit LiveCD or dualarch CD).
+</I>
+As I'm drafting the beta1 download page, and to prepare further stuff,
+I suggest the following naming scheme:
+
+ &quot;Mageia 1 (tag) (arch) (flavour) (support)&quot;
+
+with an optional &quot;tag&quot;, &quot;arch&quot; and &quot;flavour&quot;, &quot;support&quot; being CD, DVD,
+BlueRay or other.
+
+As in, with &quot;Mageia 1 beta1&quot; plus:
+ - &quot;Live KDE CD&quot; or &quot;32bit Live KDE CD&quot;
+ - &quot;32bit DVD&quot;
+ - &quot;Dual Arch CD&quot;
+ - &quot;Network Install CD&quot;
+
+ISO filenames would be, for instance, here:
+ - mageia-1-live-kde-europa-cd-beta1-i586.iso
+ - mageia-1-live-gnome-asia-cd-beta1-i586.iso
+ - mageia-1-dvd-beta1-i586.iso
+ - mageia-1-dvd-beta1-x86_64.iso
+ - mageia-1-cd-dualarch.iso
+
+Automatically built/released test ISOs could follow the same nomenclature:
+ - cauldron-20110320230321-dvd-i586-qapass.iso
+ - cauldron-20110320220422-dvd-x86_64-qafail.iso
+
+That would go with the following &quot;template&quot;
+{product}-{version}-{flavour}-{support}-{arch}-{qalabel}.iso with:
+ - product = mageia or cauldron
+ - version = version number or timestamp
+ - flavour (optional) = here, mostly for live-gnome-asia,
+live-kde-europa which could be parsed as well
+ - support = cd, dvd, br, other?
+ - arch = i586, x86_64, other
+ - qalabel (optional) = qapass, qafail
+ - all values lowercase
+
+Now... both schemes (the &quot;technical one&quot; for the ISO file and the
+&quot;human rememberable one&quot; for all the rest of us) don't match. That's
+not perfect and certainly a stronger take could simplify all this.
+
+
+&gt;<i> After a discussion with Anne (and related topic on -dev), I think we
+</I>&gt;<i> should hold a quick related survey about:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* people's perception over the advantages/preferences/disadvantages
+</I>&gt;<i> of LiveCDs and full installers
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;* people's perception over the separation of 100% free software
+</I>&gt;<i> CD/DVD (providing only our &quot;core&quot; media) and non-free (providing core,
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree and possibly tainted, for hardware drivers for instance).
+</I>
+We will push for this survey after beta1 release.
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 22:16, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know how many of you have seen or checked out the info about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> team representatives on council: [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy to do this, if nobody else wants to put their hand up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be great, yes !
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+<PRE>2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Ok, htere's a quick followup and proposal to discuss. I'll forward to
+</I>&gt;<i> -discuss next week for further review, so please comment here and now
+</I>&gt;<i> already. :-p
+</I>
+Whatever the discussions here and on -discuss would bring up, it can
+not be decided at this stage, too many open questions:
+
+ - contents of various ISOs
+ - - main question here: free, non-free, firmware, etc. Only after
+deciding on this we will know for sure about what kind of ISOs we will
+need.
+ - - space for localisation files, having been a PITA for live cd
+design at Mandriva and will not be easier for Mageia.
+ - more
+
+So, IMHO you can use any naming scheme you like, it may have to be
+changed depending on the outcome of pending discussions (like &quot;Free&quot;
+or &quot;Complete&quot; or whatever).
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 19:31, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> Whatever the discussions here and on -discuss would bring up, it can
+</I>&gt;<i> not be decided at this stage, too many open questions:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- contents of various ISOs
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- - main question here: free, non-free, firmware, etc. Only after
+</I>&gt;<i> deciding on this we will know for sure about what kind of ISOs we will
+</I>&gt;<i> need.
+</I>
+I understand your point, but this is related to media inclusion, not
+to actual ISO contents, neither to how we structure the name used for
+humans, and for file names (there's no notion of whether we have 100%
+free sofftware or not so far in the nomenclature, just DVD, LiveCD and
+regular CD).
+
+Of course, this can still change, but for the sake of simplicity (and
+of our own sanity), I don't expect us to ship 2 distinct sets (pure
+free, and nonfree) of DVD and LiveCD, as that would make 8 images at a
+minimum.
+
+&gt;<i> So, IMHO you can use any naming scheme you like, it may have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> changed depending on the outcome of pending discussions (like &quot;Free&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> or &quot;Complete&quot; or whatever).
+</I>
+I need one for beta1 already and the proposed one is pretty generic
+(we don't go for &quot;One&quot;, &quot;Free&quot;, &quot;Powerpack&quot; names for instance, we
+just use an optional &quot;flavour&quot; attribute).
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 19:31, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Whatever the discussions here and on -discuss would bring up, it can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not be decided at this stage, too many open questions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- contents of various ISOs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- - main question here: free, non-free, firmware, etc. Only after
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deciding on this we will know for sure about what kind of ISOs we will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand your point, but this is related to media inclusion, not
+</I>&gt;<i> to actual ISO contents, neither to how we structure the name used for
+</I>&gt;<i> humans, and for file names (there's no notion of whether we have 100%
+</I>&gt;<i> free sofftware or not so far in the nomenclature, just DVD, LiveCD and
+</I>&gt;<i> regular CD).
+</I>
+What is the difference between &quot;media inclusion&quot; and &quot;ISO contents&quot;?
+
+&gt;<i> Of course, this can still change, but for the sake of simplicity (and
+</I>&gt;<i> of our own sanity), I don't expect us to ship 2 distinct sets (pure
+</I>&gt;<i> free, and nonfree) of DVD and LiveCD, as that would make 8 images at a
+</I>&gt;<i> minimum.
+</I>
+Yes, that's one of my points in the ongoing discussion about this issue.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> So, IMHO you can use any naming scheme you like, it may have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changed depending on the outcome of pending discussions (like &quot;Free&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or &quot;Complete&quot; or whatever).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I need one for beta1 already and the proposed one is pretty generic
+</I>&gt;<i> (we don't go for &quot;One&quot;, &quot;Free&quot;, &quot;Powerpack&quot; names for instance, we
+</I>&gt;<i> just use an optional &quot;flavour&quot; attribute).
+</I>
+Yes, that's right, I agree with your proposition. I only wanted to say
+that there is no real need to discuss this question at length, you can
+use this generic scheme until we see what will come up for the final.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 20:03, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I understand your point, but this is related to media inclusion, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to actual ISO contents, neither to how we structure the name used for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> humans, and for file names (there's no notion of whether we have 100%
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> free sofftware or not so far in the nomenclature, just DVD, LiveCD and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regular CD).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the difference between &quot;media inclusion&quot; and &quot;ISO contents&quot;?
+</I>
+Media inclusion is about what goes into core, nonfree and tainted.
+Those are fully available online.
+
+But, you can't feed all of core into a DVD image. Neither all of
+nonfree. You have to make a selection. Depending on what you decide to
+burn on a ISO, it qualifies for a &quot;100% free software&quot; label or not,
+for instance.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I need one for beta1 already and the proposed one is pretty generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (we don't go for &quot;One&quot;, &quot;Free&quot;, &quot;Powerpack&quot; names for instance, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just use an optional &quot;flavour&quot; attribute).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's right, I agree with your proposition. I only wanted to say
+</I>&gt;<i> that there is no real need to discuss this question at length, you can
+</I>&gt;<i> use this generic scheme until we see what will come up for the final.
+</I>
+Yep, ok, let's do it that way.
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 22:16, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't know how many of you have seen or checked out the info
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; about team representatives on council: [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm happy to do this, if nobody else wants to put their hand up.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That would be great, yes !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>
+8-) I think the rest of the team gets until Sunday night to offer
+their 2c-worth, no?
+
+Cheers,
+
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+
+&gt;<i> Ok, htere's a quick followup and proposal to discuss. I'll forward
+</I>&gt;<i> to -discuss next week for further review, so please comment here
+</I>&gt;<i> and now already. :-p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:31, Romain d'Alverny
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;* Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;* Mageia 1 dual arch CD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;* Mageia 1 netinstall CD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;* Mageia 1 LiveCD (32, 64bit, locale specific)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &#160;* Mageia 1 Mobile (for an equivalent to Flash)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; that we can explain in a download/selection page depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the intended uses, with a set of default download made
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; available in one click (typically, that could be the 32bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; LiveCD or dualarch CD).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I'm drafting the beta1 download page, and to prepare further
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff, I suggest the following naming scheme:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia 1 (tag) (arch) (flavour) (support)&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with an optional &quot;tag&quot;, &quot;arch&quot; and &quot;flavour&quot;, &quot;support&quot; being CD,
+</I>&gt;<i> DVD, BlueRay or other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As in, with &quot;Mageia 1 beta1&quot; plus:
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;Live KDE CD&quot; or &quot;32bit Live KDE CD&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;32bit DVD&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;Dual Arch CD&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;Network Install CD&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO filenames would be, for instance, here:
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia-1-live-kde-europa-cd-beta1-i586.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia-1-live-gnome-asia-cd-beta1-i586.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia-1-dvd-beta1-i586.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia-1-dvd-beta1-x86_64.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia-1-cd-dualarch.iso
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Automatically built/released test ISOs could follow the same
+</I>&gt;<i> nomenclature:
+</I>&gt;<i> - cauldron-20110320230321-dvd-i586-qapass.iso
+</I>&gt;<i> - cauldron-20110320220422-dvd-x86_64-qafail.iso
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would go with the following &quot;template&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> {product}-{version}-{flavour}-{support}-{arch}-{qalabel}.iso with:
+</I>&gt;<i> - product = mageia or cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i> - version = version number or timestamp
+</I>&gt;<i> - flavour (optional) = here, mostly for live-gnome-asia,
+</I>&gt;<i> live-kde-europa which could be parsed as well
+</I>&gt;<i> - support = cd, dvd, br, other?
+</I>&gt;<i> - arch = i586, x86_64, other
+</I>&gt;<i> - qalabel (optional) = qapass, qafail
+</I>&gt;<i> - all values lowercase
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now... both schemes (the &quot;technical one&quot; for the ISO file and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;human rememberable one&quot; for all the rest of us) don't match. That's
+</I>&gt;<i> not perfect and certainly a stronger take could simplify all this.
+</I>
+I like it. (I wouldn't make flavour optional, although it does
+make for awful long filenames if you spell them right out.)
+
+Just a little swerve:
+
+I thought of two subsets of each release: the version (LiveCD, USB,
+Network Install, whatever) and the
+{type|variety|model|configuration|style|branch} - I didn't go as far
+as you in packing/parsing information from the names of installables
+- but I think mine can stretch and meet yours in the middle (if you
+will excuse my metaphors, which have gotten out and are trashing
+the room).
+
+I'm thinking about names that can also be comfortable people whose
+grasp of the term &quot;architecture&quot; is tenuous, even before we
+abbreviate it. 8-)
+
+So, could we maybe make architecture into model; flavour into style;
+support into media, tag into type; and maybe we could split the
+current style into style and {region|language}... so:
+
+mageia-1-live-kde-europa-cd-beta1-i586.iso
+
+name, version, type, style, region, media, status, model...?
+
+This is a *lot* of information for a newbie to parse.
+
+
+Cheers!
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 22:16, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I'm happy to do this, if nobody else wants to put their hand up.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; That would be great, yes !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8-) I think the rest of the team gets until Sunday night to offer
+</I>&gt;<i> their 2c-worth, no?
+</I>
+That sounds good.
+
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+<PRE>2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 20:03, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I understand your point, but this is related to media inclusion, not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to actual ISO contents, neither to how we structure the name used for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> humans, and for file names (there's no notion of whether we have 100%
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> free sofftware or not so far in the nomenclature, just DVD, LiveCD and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> regular CD).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is the difference between &quot;media inclusion&quot; and &quot;ISO contents&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Media inclusion is about what goes into core, nonfree and tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i> Those are fully available online.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But, you can't feed all of core into a DVD image. Neither all of
+</I>&gt;<i> nonfree. You have to make a selection. Depending on what you decide to
+</I>&gt;<i> burn on a ISO, it qualifies for a &quot;100% free software&quot; label or not,
+</I>&gt;<i> for instance.
+</I>
+Yes, of course, we both mean the same. The distinction between media
+inclusions has it's consequence in ISO contents as well. Depending on
+the outcome of the discussion I pointed to we may have
+ - ISOs with parts of core only
+ - ISOs with parts of core + parts of non-free
+ - ISOs with parts of all three branches
+
+So both (media inclusion and ISO contents) are related and will
+possibly have their influence on the naming to make it easy for the
+user to distinguish one from the other.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I need one for beta1 already and the proposed one is pretty generic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (we don't go for &quot;One&quot;, &quot;Free&quot;, &quot;Powerpack&quot; names for instance, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just use an optional &quot;flavour&quot; attribute).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that's right, I agree with your proposition. I only wanted to say
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that there is no real need to discuss this question at length, you can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use this generic scheme until we see what will come up for the final.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep, ok, let's do it that way.
+</I>
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+On 03/30/2011 11:17 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/3/30 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 22:16, Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know how many of you have seen or checked out the info
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about team representatives on council: [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm happy to do this, if nobody else wants to put their hand up.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would be great, yes !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8-) I think the rest of the team gets until Sunday night to offer
+</I>&gt;<i> their 2c-worth, no?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
++1 more = 3 (Not counting Patricia herself ;) ).
+
+&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+On 03/30/2011 11:29 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, htere's a quick followup and proposal to discuss. I'll forward
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to -discuss next week for further review, so please comment here
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and now already. :-p
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:31, Romain d'Alverny
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>
+Yeah, that's not going to happen. the 32 bit will be 32 bit, while the
+64 bit will be dual arch (below).
+
+Very, very few Distros ship a pure 64 bit GNU/Linux, and Mageia isn't
+going to be one of them, FYI.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 1 dual arch CD
+</I>
+AKA Mageia 1 64, for example.
+
+I realize we haven't settled on the naming conventions yet, but since
+there won't be a pure 64bit Mageia there's no point in exploring such
+nomenclature - Mageia 1 will come in either 32 bit, or 64bit multi-lib
+including the libs, gcc, etc. to support it.
+
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+<PRE>On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 02:03, Bradley D. Thornton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">Bradley at northtech.us</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 03/30/2011 11:29 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 11:31, Romain d'Alverny
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* Mageia 1 DVD (32 or 64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, that's not going to happen. the 32 bit will be 32 bit, while the
+</I>&gt;<i> 64 bit will be dual arch (below).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very, very few Distros ship a pure 64 bit GNU/Linux, and Mageia isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> going to be one of them, FYI.
+</I>
+Well there may be some misunderstanding here; that's two separate things:
+ * dual arch hosts both 32bit and 64bit installs, of which you decide
+on install;
+ * 64bit DVD is a full install DVD for 64bit architectures - yes,
+there are some 32bit dependencies still used, but there are fewer of
+them; the intent/direciton is a pure 64bit thing - whatever time it
+takes.
+
+Ennael tells me we ought to re-explain what is expected in these
+formats. But of course, after beta1, we will hold a survey to sort
+through expectations of the final formats we will release in June.
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 20:29, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I'm thinking about names that can also be comfortable people whose
+</I>&gt;<i> grasp of the term &quot;architecture&quot; is tenuous, even before we
+</I>&gt;<i> abbreviate it. 8-)
+</I>
+Well, architecture is the right term. A model would be something even
+more specific (a specific computer or device) and that is not so far
+fetched as to imagine we may have builds for specific devices some day
+soon (at least I hope so). And we would use the name &quot;model&quot; here.
+
+&gt;<i> So, could we maybe make architecture into model; flavour into style;
+</I>&gt;<i> support into media, tag into type; and maybe we could split the
+</I>&gt;<i> current style into style and {region|language}... so:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-1-live-kde-europa-cd-beta1-i586.iso
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> name, version, type, style, region, media, status, model...?
+</I>
+The type is optional here.
+
+The LiveCD is an exception so far: the region is only relevant in the
+Live CD context, because we can't fit all locales in a single CD
+storage (700MB): so we have to decide either to build a single Live CD
+with a limited range of languages, either to build several Live CD,
+one for each languages set (or to have a LiveDVD, but this would
+defeat the small download size goal then).
+
+For other ISOs, we have DVDs (32bit, 64bit), CD (dual arch, netinstall
+- 32bit &amp; 64 too). As wobo told, we may have others too because we'll
+decide to release different objects, depending on survey
+understandings and goals.
+
+&gt;<i> This is a *lot* of information for a newbie to parse.
+</I>
+Even too much. And partly because of that, the download page will have
+the task to preselect the ISOs to download to the most likely ones to
+be used by the visitor, for instance:
+ - first we will mostly rely on the browser language prefs (for the
+locale you're likely to search for) and remote IP address (for the
+mirror to preselect),
+ - for later releases, we can envision some data analytics on
+downloads and usage stats to refine.
+
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+sorry - missed the meeting yet again. This is turning out to be a
+terrible time of both week and day for me, even with daylight saving
+time. Hope it improves.
+
+Did anyone else besides Romain show up? Any discussions?
+
+Cheers,
+
+--
+Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 1 15:15:36 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 56<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meetings
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-marketing] Was just kicking around some words...
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Web site(s)
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 11 meeting: websites, products, comm plan, action
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 1 15:15:36 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 56<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Web site(s)
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 11 meeting: websites, products, comm plan, action
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-marketing] Was just kicking around some words...
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meetings
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:12:14 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>March 2011 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 1 15:15:36 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 56<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 11 meeting: websites, products, comm plan, action
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Web site(s)
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meetings
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-marketing] Was just kicking around some words...
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:12:14 CEST 2011</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>March 2011 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-marketing">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Mar 1 15:15:36 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 56<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01298988936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298988936-01299004164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01298988936-01299004164-01299521659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299027426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299027426-01299068049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-marketing] Forgot to post this...
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299521032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299521032-01299525501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-marketing] Back to work - meeting proposal
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299528562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299528562-01299531931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299528562-01299531931-01299532442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299528562-01299531931-01299532442-01299535335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-marketing] Weekly updates (and meetings in general)
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299533996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299533996-01299571377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299533996-01299571377-01299596451- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Media Query: Interview Request With Mageia
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299589356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299589356-01299589939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299589356-01299589939-01299590154- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01299589356-01299589939-01299590154-01299591274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01299589356-01299589939-01299590154-01299592898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia calendar
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299756921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299756921-01299779859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299756921-01299779859-01299780181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info screens
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01299782237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01299782237-01299794419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01299782237-01299794419-01299795197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-marketing] Installer info text - please check
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300187121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia Web site(s)
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01300201119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300201119-01300220847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300201119-01300220847-01300286215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01300201119-01300303162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300201119-01300303162-01300307620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300363272- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-marketing] 2011/week 11 meeting: websites, products, comm plan, action
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01300893683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01300893683-01300893893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301506277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301506277-01301507617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301506277-01301507617-01301508221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301506277-01301507617-01301508221-01301508678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301506277-01301507617-01301508221-01301508678-01301518423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301509786- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301509786-01301529785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301509786-01301529785-01301562268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01300893683-01300893893-01300910131-01300962687-01301501935-01301509786-01301563355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-marketing] Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01300893683-01300919860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01300893683-01300919860-01300947447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-marketing] Fwd: Mageia product naming/scoping
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01300986410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-marketing] Was just kicking around some words...
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01301343372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01301343372-01301500577- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01301343372-01301500577-01301504898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01301343372-01301500577-01301504898-01301509026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301343372-01301500577-01301504898-01301509026-01301514570- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01301343372-01301500577-01301504898-01301509026-01301529327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-marketing] Marcom representative on the Mageia council
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bradley D. Thornton
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01301595114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-marketing] Meetings
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Mar 31 20:11:54 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Mar 31 20:12:14 CEST 2011</i>
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