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+ <B>lebarhon</B>
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+<PRE>Le 01/04/2013 11:47, Yuri Chornoivan a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just some points below.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sun, 31 Mar 2013 23:52:08 +0300 &#1073;&#1091;&#1083;&#1086; &#1085;&#1072;&#1087;&#1080;&#1089;&#1072;&#1085;&#1086; atilla ontas
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good night everyone. I was long gone previous year. Now back to work and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> begin to contribute. I have missed the Transifex issue. As i read from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailing list archives, the problem was our transifex installation and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see from bug reports there are few to maintain mageia transifex. So, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> abandoned Tx. But now there is no other web interface for i18n tasks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I' m Turkish coordinator of Transifex, Archlinux AUR translation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> projects
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and contributor to others as well. I do not see issues for them those we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> had with our tx, So, i want to ask; can't we use transifex.net
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> instead of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installing and trying to maintain our tx? Is it hard or impossible?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a Fedora Ukrainian team coordinator I have to say that there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> problems with tx.net instance from the translator side. It is just
+</I>&gt;<i> problematic for developers. They constantly forget to do tx pull/tx
+</I>&gt;<i> push in Fedora which leads to untranslated apps. Moreover, to be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to run such commands it is necessary to have the last versions of tx
+</I>&gt;<i> packages in Mageia. So we need a maintainer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To sum up:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Transifex cannot commit directly into SVN and Pootle can.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. We have Friedel Wolff to help us with Pootle and no maintainer for
+</I>&gt;<i> tx packages now.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Developers have not said anything about if they can or want to add
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tx pull&quot; into Makefiles. So we first need to hear from them and the
+</I>&gt;<i> Board to switch to tx.net.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know, Pootle is an alternative but if we try to install it under
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia.org domain and try to maintain it i think it would be hard. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mean,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> few people to maintain and lack of time may be problem. What do you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or i missed too much about this particular issue?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it is just a question on what packages will be maintained, Pootle
+</I>&gt;<i> or Transifex. So it is again a question of maintainership.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, did Launchpad be considered for this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Launchpad needs the whole project directly synced/hosted into
+</I>&gt;<i> Bazaar in LP itself.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Launchpad needs the POTs to be build during general make cycle (now
+</I>&gt;<i> they are updated/build by specialized Perl scripts).
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Launchpad builds Debian-format packages only and Mageia is a Red
+</I>&gt;<i> Hat-type distribution (RPM).
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Launchpad does not allow direct downloading/uploading translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> You have to wait for several hours just to download/upload a
+</I>&gt;<i> translated file.
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Launchpad Rosetta module is unmaintained (see the constant &quot;Timed
+</I>&gt;<i> out&quot; errors that appears everywhere).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think, at least our Turkish team needs such an interface. I was sole
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Turkish translator for 4 years with Mandriva and it was a real pain.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Without such a web interface most people do not want to use svn, git
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok. If we can find a maintainer for
+</I>&gt;<i> Pootle/Transifex/Weblate/what-so-ever packages we can talk about web
+</I>&gt;<i> translation. And if we (as a translation team) failed to do so, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> better to leave things as is and do not push on the current
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainers. They are already too overloaded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just my 2 cents.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Yuri
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks Yuri and Atilla, it 's clearer now.
+Lebarhon
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