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| author | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f24cfc694 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a écrit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br> +> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather<br> +> than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list<br> +> discussions!<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Hi there<br> +<br> +Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.<br> +<br> +However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are<br> +quite different from ML users.<br> +<br> +In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a<br> +distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are<br> +also end-users). </blockquote><div> </div><div>I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we<br> +will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum<br> +must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top<br> +posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just<br> +use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in<br> +computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how<br> +theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside<br> +those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite<br> +impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).<br> +So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.<br>(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. </blockquote><div><br>That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly.<br> +The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.<br>That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.<br> +<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">As a user i<br> +do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to<br> +navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more<br> +attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same<br> +thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,<br> +but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point<br> +and click, validate.<br> +<br> +I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also<br> +two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc<br> +Paré is on) ?<br> +<br> +So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML<br> +and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me<br> +is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, </blockquote><div><br>How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?<br>(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)<br> + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">some of us<br> +will be on both tools but most will use just one.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.<br> +<br>I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.<br>These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.<br> +</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<font color="#888888"><br> +--<br> +Olivier Méjean<br> +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br> +<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br> +twitter : obagoom<br> +<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f24cfc694 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101003/e7ef16bc/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,59 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a écrit :<br> +<div><div></div><div class="h5">><br> +> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather<br> +> than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list<br> +> discussions!<br> +><br> +<br> +</div></div>Hi there<br> +<br> +Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.<br> +<br> +However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are<br> +quite different from ML users.<br> +<br> +In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a<br> +distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are<br> +also end-users). </blockquote><div> </div><div>I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we<br> +will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum<br> +must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top<br> +posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just<br> +use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in<br> +computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how<br> +theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside<br> +those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite<br> +impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).<br> +So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.<br>(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +<br> +Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. </blockquote><div><br>That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly.<br> +The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.<br>That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.<br> +<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">As a user i<br> +do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to<br> +navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more<br> +attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same<br> +thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,<br> +but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point<br> +and click, validate.<br> +<br> +I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also<br> +two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc<br> +Paré is on) ?<br> +<br> +So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML<br> +and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me<br> +is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, </blockquote><div><br>How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?<br>(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)<br> + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">some of us<br> +will be on both tools but most will use just one.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.<br> +<br>I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.<br>These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.<br> +</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> +<font color="#888888"><br> +--<br> +Olivier Méjean<br> +Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br> +<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br> +twitter : obagoom<br> +<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br> |