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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier Méjean <omejean@yahoo.fr> wrote:
+Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a écrit :
+
>
+> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+> than mailing lists, but still want to  partecipate in the mailing list
+> discussions!
+>
+
+
Hi there
+
+Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.
+
+However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are
+quite different from ML users.
+
+In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a
+distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are
+also end-users).
 
I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.

+End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we
+will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum
+must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top
+posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just
+use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in
+computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how
+theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside
+those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite
+impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?
 
The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).
+So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.
(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)
+ +
+Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users.

That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly.
+The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.
That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.
+

As a user i
+do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to
+navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more
+attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same
+thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,
+but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point
+and click, validate.
+
+I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also
+two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc
+Paré is on) ?
+
+So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+is to have these different tools since they have different audiences,

How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?
(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)
+ 
some of us
+will be on both tools but most will use just one.
 
Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.
+
I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.
These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.
+
+
+--
+Olivier Méjean
+Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+http://mandrivafr.org
+twitter : obagoom
+identi.ca : goom
+



--

Frederic
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On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier Méjean <omejean@yahoo.fr> wrote:
+Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a écrit :
+
>
+> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+> than mailing lists, but still want to  partecipate in the mailing list
+> discussions!
+>
+
+
Hi there
+
+Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.
+
+However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are
+quite different from ML users.
+
+In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a
+distribution for "developers" or for "end-users" (well i know developers are
+also end-users).
 
I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.

+End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we
+will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum
+must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top
+posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just
+use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in
+computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how
+theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside
+those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite
+impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?
 
The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).
+So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.
(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)
+ +
+Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users.

That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML's properly.
+The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.
That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.
+

As a user i
+do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to
+navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more
+attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same
+thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,
+but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point
+and click, validate.
+
+I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also
+two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc
+Paré is on) ?
+
+So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+is to have these different tools since they have different audiences,

How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?
(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)
+ 
some of us
+will be on both tools but most will use just one.
 
Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.
+
I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.
These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.
+
+
+--
+Olivier Méjean
+Président de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+http://mandrivafr.org
+twitter : obagoom
+identi.ca : goom
+



--

Frederic
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