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+ <B>Len Lawrence</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription">tarazed25 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Apr 22 00:16:07 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my
+postings from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks
+like the messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold
+messages from the list moderator saying that I am a non-member although
+everything had run smoothly for a year before that. I unsubscribed and
+subscribed under my new email address but the situation has not changed;
+never see my own posts and bounce messages still arrive in my old
+mailbox. Sympa or whatever should no longer even know my old address.
+If anybody sees this could they examine the mail headers and confirm
+that it comes from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com.</A>
+
+Nobody needs this kind of mess in the middle of beta testing.
+
+Cheers
+
+Len
+
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+ <B>Doug Lytle</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Testing%20after%20resubscription&In-Reply-To=%3Csig.3458564869.4F9333D6.7030900%40drdos.info%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription">support at drdos.info
+ </A><BR>
+ <I>Sun Apr 22 00:25:26 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>Len Lawrence wrote:
+&gt;<i> If anybody sees this could they examine the mail headers and confirm
+</I>&gt;<i> that it comes from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com.</A>
+</I>
+
+I would appear to:
+
+Message-ID:&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4F9331A7.7080709 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:16:07 +0100
+From: Len Lawrence&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
+ rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110429 Mageia/3.1.10-1.mga1 (1)
+ Thunderbird/3.1.10
+
+Doug
+
+
+
+--
+Ben Franklin quote:
+
+&quot;Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.&quot;
+
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+ <B>Len Lawrence</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Testing%20after%20resubscription&In-Reply-To=%3C4F93354E.3060102%40gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription">tarazed25 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Apr 22 00:31:42 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 21/04/12 23:25, Doug Lytle wrote:
+&gt;<i> Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If anybody sees this could they examine the mail headers and confirm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it comes from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would appear to:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4F9331A7.7080709 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 23:16:07 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Len Lawrence&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US;
+</I>&gt;<i> rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110429 Mageia/3.1.10-1.mga1 (1)
+</I>&gt;<i> Thunderbird/3.1.10
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks Doug. That means Thunderbird is in the clear.
+
+No bounce message yet - they usually take a while. Just had a look at
+the subscription page and &quot;Receive your own posts?&quot; is definitely checked.
+
+Time to pay the mailman a visit.
+
+Len
+
+
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription">alien at rmail.be
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+<PRE>Op zondag 22 april 2012 00:16:07 schreef Len Lawrence:
+&gt;<i> Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my
+</I>&gt;<i> postings from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks
+</I>&gt;<i> like the messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold
+</I>&gt;<i> messages from the list moderator saying that I am a non-member although
+</I>&gt;<i> everything had run smoothly for a year before that. I unsubscribed and
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed under my new email address but the situation has not changed;
+</I>&gt;<i> never see my own posts and bounce messages still arrive in my old
+</I>&gt;<i> mailbox. Sympa or whatever should no longer even know my old address.
+</I>&gt;<i> If anybody sees this could they examine the mail headers and confirm
+</I>&gt;<i> that it comes from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nobody needs this kind of mess in the middle of beta testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Len
+</I>
+i've had this problem for ages when i used gmail before.
+
+afaiu, it's like this:
+
+you're using gmail, but with smtp and imap clients (not the web).
+
+now as you all know, when you send an email from gmail webclient, and you send
+a message to an alias or a maillist which then delivers it back to you, you
+don't have doubles in your thread, but you do see your own email right away.
+
+This &quot;feature&quot; which breaks rfc's, results in the fact that when you do use
+imap client, you do not see the deliveries of your own sent email.
+
+the only mail you see is the one you sent in your Sent folder.
+
+as a result, you are constant in the unknown, because emails you send out, and
+should receive, you don't receive them.
+
+this behavior is so with aliasses and mailing lists. there is one exception,
+and that is if you registered your alias in the web client.
+
+the problem is that you can hardly do this with mailing lists... of course.
+
+i've tried several times to tell them to turn off this &quot;feature&quot;, but they
+don't seem to want to do that.
+
+my response was not using gmail anymore, i've now set up my own email server
+and domain.
+
+now, my threads are not broken and i get emails from aliases and mailinglists
+even if i do send them myself.
+
+Regards,
+
+AL13N
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Len Lawrence wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my postings
+</I>&gt;<i> from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks like the
+</I>&gt;<i> messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold messages
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail">http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail</A>
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+<PRE>On 04/21/2012 03:31 PM, Len Lawrence wrote:
+&gt;<i> No bounce message yet - they usually take a while. Just had a look at the
+</I>&gt;<i> subscription page and &quot;Receive your own posts?&quot; is definitely checked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Time to pay the mailman a visit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Gmail generally seems not to allow you to receive your own posts which you send
+to mail lists. Many users on various lists have run into, and reported this problem.
+
+
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+<PRE>On 22/04/12 00:21, nicolas vigier wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my postings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks like the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold messages
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail">http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks everybody for the information. Unfortunately I am stuck with
+gmail because I have no idea how to set up my own server and no time to
+learn. Demon is closing down its POP3 server sometime soon so I have
+had to transfer dozens of contacts to gmail. My ISP supplies a free
+IMAP address but that appears to be linked to Google as well. C'est la vie.
+
+Len
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+<PRE>Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 22 april 2012 00:16:07 schreef Len Lawrence:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> postings from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like the messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> messages from the list moderator saying that I am a non-member although
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything had run smoothly for a year before that. I unsubscribed and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subscribed under my new email address but the situation has not changed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never see my own posts and bounce messages still arrive in my old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailbox. Sympa or whatever should no longer even know my old address.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If anybody sees this could they examine the mail headers and confirm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that it comes from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com.</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nobody needs this kind of mess in the middle of beta testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Len
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've had this problem for ages when i used gmail before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> afaiu, it's like this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you're using gmail, but with smtp and imap clients (not the web).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now as you all know, when you send an email from gmail webclient, and you send
+</I>&gt;<i> a message to an alias or a maillist which then delivers it back to you, you
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have doubles in your thread, but you do see your own email right away.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This &quot;feature&quot; which breaks rfc's, results in the fact that when you do use
+</I>&gt;<i> imap client, you do not see the deliveries of your own sent email.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the only mail you see is the one you sent in your Sent folder.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as a result, you are constant in the unknown, because emails you send out, and
+</I>&gt;<i> should receive, you don't receive them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this behavior is so with aliasses and mailing lists. there is one exception,
+</I>&gt;<i> and that is if you registered your alias in the web client.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the problem is that you can hardly do this with mailing lists... of course.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i've tried several times to tell them to turn off this &quot;feature&quot;, but they
+</I>&gt;<i> don't seem to want to do that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my response was not using gmail anymore, i've now set up my own email server
+</I>&gt;<i> and domain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now, my threads are not broken and i get emails from aliases and mailinglists
+</I>&gt;<i> even if i do send them myself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> AL13N
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've never had that problem using pop access on gmail for mailing lists.
+(I haven't used gmail for mageia lists, but for a number of other lists.)
+It might be something in your gmail setup. (There are a lot of options.)
+I've never tried using imap, but if you are using imap, it isn't hard to
+change to pop.
+
+Depending how the user agent is configured, email can be left on the
+server with pop access, just like the imap default. (Which I do when
+travelling.)
+
+Regards,
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
+
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+ <B>Remco Rijnders</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 12:39:38AM +0100, Len wrote in
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4F93453A.3060205 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>On 22/04/12 00:21, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my postings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks like the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i><A HREF="http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail">http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Thanks everybody for the information. Unfortunately I am stuck with
+</I>&gt;<i>gmail because I have no idea how to set up my own server and no time
+</I>&gt;<i>to learn. Demon is closing down its POP3 server sometime soon so I
+</I>&gt;<i>have had to transfer dozens of contacts to gmail. My ISP supplies a
+</I>&gt;<i>free IMAP address but that appears to be linked to Google as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>C'est la vie.
+</I>
+Other than the &quot;live with it&quot; or &quot;run your own mail server&quot; options...
+there are also other paid for and free email providers one could use.
+
+As for an ISP shutting down their pop servers.... brrr.... are we really
+all on facebook now?
+
+Remmy
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+<PRE>Where do Mageia 1 and Mageia 2 stand regarding UEFI boot, disk sizes etc?
+
+ I saw a lot of fearful discussion 3-4 months ago about hardware
+becoming dedicated to MS and unchangeable to linux. Went shopping for
+new motherboards today and couldn't get relevant info; seems with ASUS
+and Gigabyte all the new Intel 2011 boards are UEFI. Think I've seen
+that grub supports UEFI? (Is my favorite lilo out the window now?)
+Will M2 (and will M1) install and boot on disks above 2.2TB? What came
+of concerns re MS and cryptographic keys?
+tonyb
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+ <B>Len Lawrence</B>
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+<PRE>On 22/04/12 03:27, andre999 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Op zondag 22 april 2012 00:16:07 schreef Len Lawrence:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> postings from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> like the messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> messages from the list moderator saying that I am a non-member although
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everything had run smoothly for a year before that. I unsubscribed and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> subscribed under my new email address but the situation has not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> changed;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> never see my own posts and bounce messages still arrive in my old
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mailbox. Sympa or whatever should no longer even know my old address.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If anybody sees this could they examine the mail headers and confirm
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that it comes from <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarazed25 at gmail.com.</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Nobody needs this kind of mess in the middle of beta testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Len
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've had this problem for ages when i used gmail before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> afaiu, it's like this:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you're using gmail, but with smtp and imap clients (not the web).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now as you all know, when you send an email from gmail webclient, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you send
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a message to an alias or a maillist which then delivers it back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you, you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't have doubles in your thread, but you do see your own email
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> right away.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This &quot;feature&quot; which breaks rfc's, results in the fact that when you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> imap client, you do not see the deliveries of your own sent email.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the only mail you see is the one you sent in your Sent folder.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as a result, you are constant in the unknown, because emails you send
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should receive, you don't receive them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this behavior is so with aliasses and mailing lists. there is one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exception,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and that is if you registered your alias in the web client.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the problem is that you can hardly do this with mailing lists... of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> course.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i've tried several times to tell them to turn off this &quot;feature&quot;, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't seem to want to do that.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> my response was not using gmail anymore, i've now set up my own email
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> server
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and domain.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now, my threads are not broken and i get emails from aliases and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailinglists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even if i do send them myself.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> AL13N
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've never had that problem using pop access on gmail for mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I haven't used gmail for mageia lists, but for a number of other lists.)
+</I>&gt;<i> It might be something in your gmail setup. (There are a lot of options.)
+</I>&gt;<i> I've never tried using imap, but if you are using imap, it isn't hard
+</I>&gt;<i> to change to pop.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depending how the user agent is configured, email can be left on the
+</I>&gt;<i> server with pop access, just like the imap default. (Which I do when
+</I>&gt;<i> travelling.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Right I shall follow that up. Did not realize there was a choice.
+
+Thanks
+
+Len
+
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+<PRE>On 22/04/2012 00:39, Len Lawrence wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 22/04/12 00:21, nicolas vigier wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, 21 Apr 2012, Len Lawrence wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just to find out what happens when I post to the list. None of my
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> postings
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from my gmail address show up but the replies do so it looks like the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> messages do get through. I had been receiving bounce and hold messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail">http://support.tigertech.net/mailman-gmail</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks everybody for the information. Unfortunately I am stuck with
+</I>&gt;<i> gmail because I have no idea how to set up my own server and no time
+</I>&gt;<i> to learn. Demon is closing down its POP3 server sometime soon so I
+</I>&gt;<i> have had to transfer dozens of contacts to gmail. My ISP supplies a
+</I>&gt;<i> free IMAP address but that appears to be linked to Google as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> C'est la vie.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Len
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That would be unusual. However, even with just Google there is a
+solution. Create a second GMail account and set up your email package
+to read that as well. Then, when you post anything put your second
+address in the BCC field. I can't remember whether Google webmail
+allows you to make that a default, but some mailers do. Otherwise you
+will just have to get into the habit :-)
+
+Anne
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Apr 22 00:16:07 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Apr 22 23:37:24 CEST 2012</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
+ <ul>
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+<!--0 01335046567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01335046567-01335047126- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Doug Lytle
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01335046567-01335047126-01335047502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01335046567-01335047126-01335047502-01335049067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007085.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>KevinO
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01335046567-01335050302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01335046567-01335050302-01335061621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01335046567-01335050302-01335061621-01335130644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01335046567-01335050511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01335046567-01335050511-01335051578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Len Lawrence
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01335046567-01335050511-01335051578-01335069369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01335046567-01335050511-01335051578-01335088951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007783.html">[Mageia-discuss] Testing after resubscription
+</A><A NAME="7783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne Wilson
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01335091437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="007089.html">[Mageia-discuss] UEFI
+</A><A NAME="7089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tony Blackwell
+</I>
+
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