diff options
| author | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
|---|---|---|
| committer | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
| commit | 1be510f9529cb082f802408b472a77d074b394c0 (patch) | |
| tree | b175f9d5fcb107576dabc768e7bd04d4a3e491a0 /zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702 | |
| parent | fa5098cf210b23ab4f419913e28af7b1b07dafb2 (diff) | |
| download | archives-master.tar archives-master.tar.gz archives-master.tar.bz2 archives-master.tar.xz archives-master.zip | |
Diffstat (limited to 'zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702')
27 files changed, 2474 insertions, 0 deletions
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004868.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004868.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..098321f71 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004868.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107020204.03110.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004869.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107020204.03110.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 02:04:03 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4868">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4868">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4868">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4868">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On vendredi 01 juillet 2011 at 21:39, Antoine Pitrou wrote : +><i> It would be nice if mageiaupdate displayed the list of available +</I>><i> updates before asking for a password. That way you don't have to +</I>><i> bother typing it in if you aren't interested in these specific updates. +</I> +Why wouldn't you be interested in the updates? +It only propose updates for packages that are installed on your system, if +there are updates for those packages it is for security reason, or bugfix. +Why would you want to keep insecure or buggy softwares? + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4868">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4868">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4868">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4868">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004869.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004869.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8e6449b96 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004869.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0E72F1.4050304%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004868.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004870.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0E72F1.4050304%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 03:22:57 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004868.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4869">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4869">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4869">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4869">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Renaud MICHEL a écrit : +><i> On vendredi 01 juillet 2011 at 21:39, Antoine Pitrou wrote : +</I>>><i> It would be nice if mageiaupdate displayed the list of available +</I>>><i> updates before asking for a password. That way you don't have to +</I>>><i> bother typing it in if you aren't interested in these specific updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why wouldn't you be interested in the updates? +</I>><i> It only propose updates for packages that are installed on your system, if +</I>><i> there are updates for those packages it is for security reason, or bugfix. +</I>><i> Why would you want to keep insecure or buggy softwares? +</I> +In general, I would agree, but there are times an update introduces more +problems, and it will keep being proposed even when it is not wanted. +(Sure, one can edit a skip file after obtaining root privileges, but most users +won't know about it. And subsequent updates with the same problem will still be +proposed.) +And other times a "security" update is totally useless - like on documentation +packages when there is no change in functionality. Or security issues regarding +a function that is not used. +If bandwidth is limited, why waste time and bandwidth on something that at best +isn't needed ? + +That said, it doesn't seem that onerous to enter a password. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004868.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4869">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4869">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4869">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4869">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004870.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004870.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..65d73519f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004870.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHWeTyZFMoh5dpXi8bmHhQT6LaNuk16zhq-1j%2ByNbRC0mq%3DYRw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004869.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004878.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Rémi Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCAHWeTyZFMoh5dpXi8bmHhQT6LaNuk16zhq-1j%2ByNbRC0mq%3DYRw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">rverschelde at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 12:02:22 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4870">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4870">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4870">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4870">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/7/2 andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +><i> In general, I would agree, but there are times an update introduces more +</I>><i> problems, and it will keep being proposed even when it is not wanted. +</I>><i> (Sure, one can edit a skip file after obtaining root privileges, but most +</I>><i> users won't know about it.  And subsequent updates with the same problem +</I>><i> will still be proposed.) +</I>><i> And other times a "security" update is totally useless - like on +</I>><i> documentation packages when there is no change in functionality.  Or +</I>><i> security issues regarding a function that is not used. +</I>><i> If bandwidth is limited, why waste time and bandwidth on something that at +</I>><i> best isn't needed ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That said, it doesn't seem that onerous to enter a password. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> André +</I>><i> +</I> +Would it be possible to add a "Skip update" option in MageiaUpdate? +Like, right-click on an update, "Skip update" and it disappears from +the list. This would modify the skip file you are talking about, and +experienced users could revert the skipping thanks to that file. + +Though, it is just a suggestion from someone who knows nothing to +MageiaUpdate's code, so I don't know if it would be a simple feature +to add or a really bothersome one. + +Rémi / Akien +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4870">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4870">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4870">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4870">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004871.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004871.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..efd22bbc2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004871.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20110702125207.44638b4e%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004881.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004872.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20110702125207.44638b4e%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 12:52:07 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4871">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4871">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4871">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4871">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 02:04:03 +0200 +Renaud MICHEL +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> On vendredi 01 juillet 2011 at 21:39, Antoine Pitrou wrote : +</I>><i> > It would be nice if mageiaupdate displayed the list of available +</I>><i> > updates before asking for a password. That way you don't have to +</I>><i> > bother typing it in if you aren't interested in these specific updates. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why wouldn't you be interested in the updates? +</I>><i> It only propose updates for packages that are installed on your system, if +</I>><i> there are updates for those packages it is for security reason, or bugfix. +</I>><i> Why would you want to keep insecure or buggy softwares? +</I> +Because I don't use them all. Some things are installed by default, +some as part of optional dependencies, some as part of some "task" +package. + +For example, I probably have lots of KDE stuff installed, but I only +use Kate (and I use it under GNOME ;-)). I'm not even talking about vim +and such. + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4871">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4871">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4871">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4871">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004872.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004872.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e4c31a34f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004872.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0EF992.2060301%40eesti.ee%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004871.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004873.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Sander Lepik</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0EF992.2060301%40eesti.ee%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">sander.lepik at eesti.ee + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 12:57:22 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4872">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4872">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4872">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4872">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>02.07.2011 13:52, Antoine Pitrou kirjutas: +><i> Because I don't use them all. Some things are installed by default, +</I>><i> some as part of optional dependencies, some as part of some "task" +</I>><i> package. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, I probably have lots of KDE stuff installed, but I only +</I>><i> use Kate (and I use it under GNOME ;-)). I'm not even talking about vim +</I>><i> and such. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Antoine. +</I>If you don't use them, then remove them. If they are only suggestions you can remove them +w/o problems. If you use them and once skip some bugfix that you don't want and then there +will be big security hole and you have skipped it? Then what?! + +Bad idea, really bad idea. + +-- +Sander + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4872">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4872">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4872">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4872">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004873.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004873.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2af8f5a28 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004873.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7RpE__5h4pLjN5rG4v5VgdPX_ggvUviPL169z34JJNmQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004872.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004874.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj7RpE__5h4pLjN5rG4v5VgdPX_ggvUviPL169z34JJNmQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 12:58:30 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4873">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4873">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4873">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4873">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/7/2 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 02:04:03 +0200 +</I>><i> Renaud MICHEL +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On vendredi 01 juillet 2011 at 21:39, Antoine Pitrou wrote : +</I>>><i> > It would be nice if mageiaupdate displayed the list of available +</I>>><i> > updates before asking for a password. That way you don't have to +</I>>><i> > bother typing it in if you aren't interested in these specific updates. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Why wouldn't you be interested in the updates? +</I>>><i> It only propose updates for packages that are installed on your system, if +</I>>><i> there are updates for those packages it is for security reason, or bugfix. +</I>>><i> Why would you want to keep insecure or buggy softwares? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Because I don't use them all. Some things are installed by default, +</I>><i> some as part of optional dependencies, some as part of some "task" +</I>><i> package. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For example, I probably have lots of KDE stuff installed, but I only +</I>><i> use Kate (and I use it under GNOME ;-)). I'm not even talking about vim +</I>><i> and such. +</I> +1. So you don't use a package you think it will cause no problems if a +security problem with said package remains unfixed? +2. Especially packages which were installed because of dependencies +need the updates because the software these packages are related to +will need the updated packages. If you shut them out of updates you +will run into problems soon. +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4873">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4873">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4873">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4873">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004874.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004874.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..140693055 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004874.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20110702131417.18dc2fe8%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004873.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004875.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20110702131417.18dc2fe8%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:14:17 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4874">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4874">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4874">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4874">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 12:58:30 +0200 +Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> 1. So you don't use a package you think it will cause no problems if a +</I>><i> security problem with said package remains unfixed? +</I> +Yes. Feel free to give a counter-example :) + +><i> 2. Especially packages which were installed because of dependencies +</I>><i> need the updates because the software these packages are related to +</I>><i> will need the updated packages. If you shut them out of updates you +</I>><i> will run into problems soon. +</I> +I'm talking about optional dependencies (suggestions). Obviously if some +base library has an update I probably want to install it. + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4874">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4874">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4874">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4874">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004875.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004875.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e007ea348 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004875.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCADw%3D_cRRs50TXa90OGDBbMhdUb8O80yVMe48TjKBAKogwT1Q0g%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004874.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004876.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>magnus</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCADw%3D_cRRs50TXa90OGDBbMhdUb8O80yVMe48TjKBAKogwT1Q0g%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">magnus.mud at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:20:42 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4875">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4875">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4875">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4875">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Disable your passwortd for Mageia updates. + +I Think, you will set the password protection if you leve your pc! + +Magnus +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110702/cd8b1afc/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4875">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4875">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4875">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4875">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004876.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004876.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d65f26294 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004876.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4Uwi7YeB1YowG%3DEpnK52oXw99x-HruVqn_stEsVYZhmg%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004875.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004877.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj4Uwi7YeB1YowG%3DEpnK52oXw99x-HruVqn_stEsVYZhmg%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:22:30 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4876">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4876">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4876">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4876">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/7/2 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 12:58:30 +0200 +</I>><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. So you don't use a package you think it will cause no problems if a +</I>>><i> security problem with said package remains unfixed? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes. Feel free to give a counter-example :) +</I> +No need to. For me a system is a whole. If I have one insecure part +the whole system is insecure. + +>><i> 2. Especially packages which were installed because of dependencies +</I>>><i> need the updates because the software these packages are related to +</I>>><i> will need the updated packages. If you shut them out of updates you +</I>>><i> will run into problems soon. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm talking about optional dependencies (suggestions). Obviously if some +</I>><i> base library has an update I probably want to install it. +</I> +As has been said, you can safely remove suggested packages, so this +question about updates of suggested packages does not come up in the +first place. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4876">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4876">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4876">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4876">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004877.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004877.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..29124ade2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004877.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20110702134816.19a87753%40pitrou.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004876.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004879.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Antoine Pitrou</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C20110702134816.19a87753%40pitrou.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">solipsis at pitrou.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:48:16 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4877">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4877">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4877">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4877">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:22:30 +0200 +Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> No need to. For me a system is a whole. If I have one insecure part +</I>><i> the whole system is insecure. +</I> +That's getting really off-topic. If you arguing that nobody should skip +any security update, then please make a proposal to make those +updates automatic and without user confirmation. + +If OTOH Mageia asks the user to confirm updates manually (which it +currently *does*), then my request makes sense. + +><i> As has been said, you can safely remove suggested packages, so this +</I>><i> question about updates of suggested packages does not come up in the +</I>><i> first place. +</I> +That's another loss of time. Why should I bother removing many packages +by hand from my system? I don't lack disk space. + +You are requesting that I dedicate a lot of time administrating and +tweaking my system. Well if I wanted to do that I'd install Debian, +Gentoo or FreeBSD. There's a reason I use Mageia, which is to have a +system which is user-friendly by default and doesn't ask for a lot of +manual intervention. Being able to review updates without first typing +a password is also part of that. + +Regards + +Antoine. + + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4877">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4877">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4877">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4877">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004878.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004878.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3bbd90d9a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004878.html @@ -0,0 +1,96 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F065D.4030202%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004870.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004881.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F065D.4030202%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:51:57 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4878">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4878">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4878">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4878">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Rémi Verschelde a écrit : +><i> 2011/7/2 andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>: +</I>>><i> In general, I would agree, but there are times an update introduces more +</I>>><i> problems, and it will keep being proposed even when it is not wanted. +</I>>><i> (Sure, one can edit a skip file after obtaining root privileges, but most +</I>>><i> users won't know about it. And subsequent updates with the same problem +</I>>><i> will still be proposed.) +</I>>><i> And other times a "security" update is totally useless - like on +</I>>><i> documentation packages when there is no change in functionality. Or +</I>>><i> security issues regarding a function that is not used. +</I>>><i> If bandwidth is limited, why waste time and bandwidth on something that at +</I>>><i> best isn't needed ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> That said, it doesn't seem that onerous to enter a password. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> André +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Would it be possible to add a "Skip update" option in MageiaUpdate? +</I>><i> Like, right-click on an update, "Skip update" and it disappears from +</I>><i> the list. This would modify the skip file you are talking about, and +</I>><i> experienced users could revert the skipping thanks to that file. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Though, it is just a suggestion from someone who knows nothing to +</I>><i> MageiaUpdate's code, so I don't know if it would be a simple feature +</I>><i> to add or a really bothersome one. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Rémi / Akien +</I> +It's a good idea. +A GUI means of updating the skip file has already been suggested. +I'm not familiar with the code, so I can't say how easy it would be to add, but +I think such a change should eventually happen. +It would probably be easier to add in rpmdrake, where every update is presented +individually. +(I might eventually do it myself.) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4878">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4878">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4878">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4878">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004879.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004879.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b9853daf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004879.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F073E.2050704%40eesti.ee%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004877.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004880.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Sander Lepik</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F073E.2050704%40eesti.ee%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">sander.lepik at eesti.ee + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:55:42 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4879">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4879">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4879">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4879">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>02.07.2011 14:48, Antoine Pitrou kirjutas: +><i> +</I>><i> That's getting really off-topic. If you arguing that nobody should skip +</I>><i> any security update, then please make a proposal to make those +</I>><i> updates automatic and without user confirmation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If OTOH Mageia asks the user to confirm updates manually (which it +</I>><i> currently *does*), then my request makes sense. +</I>I think crontab with "urpmi --auto-update --update --auto" should do it? + +-- +Sander + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4879">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4879">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4879">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4879">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004880.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004880.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..636f1366b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004880.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6w5SuVmhg%3D6itwe5ZJGT8AGqY8hw-RzYLr8ncAqk-h8w%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004879.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004882.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCA%2Bh4nj6w5SuVmhg%3D6itwe5ZJGT8AGqY8hw-RzYLr8ncAqk-h8w%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 13:57:03 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4880">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4880">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4880">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4880">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/7/2 Antoine Pitrou <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">solipsis at pitrou.net</A>>: +><i> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:22:30 +0200 +</I>><i> Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No need to. For me a system is a whole. If I have one insecure part +</I>>><i> the whole system is insecure. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's getting really off-topic. If you arguing that nobody should skip +</I>><i> any security update, then please make a proposal to make those +</I>><i> updates automatic and without user confirmation. +</I> +No. As has been said it may be needed to skip a single package as an exception. + +><i> That's another loss of time. Why should I bother removing many packages +</I>><i> by hand from my system? I don't lack disk space. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are requesting that I dedicate a lot of time administrating and +</I>><i> tweaking my system. Well if I wanted to do that I'd install Debian, +</I>><i> Gentoo or FreeBSD. There's a reason I use Mageia, which is to have a +</I>><i> system which is user-friendly by default and doesn't ask for a lot of +</I>><i> manual intervention. Being able to review updates without first typing +</I>><i> a password is also part of that. +</I> +Well, I do not request anything from you. I only state my point of +view which differs from yours. +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4880">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4880">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4880">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4880">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004881.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004881.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c37323546 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004881.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107021427.57636.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004878.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004871.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107021427.57636.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 14:27:57 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4881">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4881">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4881">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4881">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On samedi 02 juillet 2011 at 12:02, Rémi Verschelde wrote : +><i> Would it be possible to add a "Skip update" option in MageiaUpdate? +</I>><i> Like, right-click on an update, "Skip update" and it disappears from +</I>><i> the list. This would modify the skip file you are talking about, and +</I>><i> experienced users could revert the skipping thanks to that file. +</I> +Maybe, but then you must put the full name with version and release in the +skip list, because if you put only the package name you will also ignore the +other updates, which might be more important. + +Also, the skip.list file will then grow with exclusions which become useless +as new updates are available. +I don't know if having hundreds of lines in skip.list can slow down urpmi +significantly? + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4881">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4881">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4881">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4881">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004882.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004882.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f6f6d90ed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004882.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F35CC.3030500%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004880.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004883.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F35CC.3030500%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 17:14:20 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4882">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4882">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4882">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4882">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Antoine Pitrou a écrit : +><i> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 13:22:30 +0200 +</I>><i> Wolfgang Bornath<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> No need to. For me a system is a whole. If I have one insecure part +</I>>><i> the whole system is insecure. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's getting really off-topic. If you arguing that nobody should skip +</I>><i> any security update, then please make a proposal to make those +</I>><i> updates automatic and without user confirmation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If OTOH Mageia asks the user to confirm updates manually (which it +</I>><i> currently *does*), then my request makes sense. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> As has been said, you can safely remove suggested packages, so this +</I>>><i> question about updates of suggested packages does not come up in the +</I>>><i> first place. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's another loss of time. Why should I bother removing many packages +</I>><i> by hand from my system? I don't lack disk space. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You are requesting that I dedicate a lot of time administrating and +</I>><i> tweaking my system. Well if I wanted to do that I'd install Debian, +</I>><i> Gentoo or FreeBSD. There's a reason I use Mageia, which is to have a +</I>><i> system which is user-friendly by default and doesn't ask for a lot of +</I>><i> manual intervention. Being able to review updates without first typing +</I>><i> a password is also part of that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Antoine. +</I> +With the right adjustement of the present tools, you could spend less time on +administration than you do now. Since updates are part of system administration. + +Suppose during the update process you have a check box to put a particular +update on the skip list, or another to uninstall the corresponding package. +If the package is uninstalled, you would no longer have to deal with updates to +it, so the update process would be faster. +Note that if you can't uninstall a package because it is required, it is usually +inadvisable skip updates, unless you really understand the issues. +If you don't have a limited bandwidth, there is usually no disadvantage to +installing all updates for such packages. + +Changing when the password is requested would reduce the security for the +system, as unauthorised users could see what is installed. This may not affect +you personnally, but such an option would best not be the default, to protect +other systems. So it could be more complicated than the changes suggested +above, and would only save you a few seconds. + +Regards +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4882">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4882">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4882">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4882">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004883.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004883.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dbe06981a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004883.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C7314A23F-8384-4244-9C81-A95DF76FA661%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004882.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004884.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C7314A23F-8384-4244-9C81-A95DF76FA661%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 20:07:17 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4883">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4883">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4883">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4883">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2 juil. 2011 à 17:14, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> a écrit : +><i> Suppose during the update process you have a check box to put a particular update on the skip list, or another to uninstall the corresponding package. +</I> +That would be an interesting option to investigate. + +><i> Note that if you can't uninstall a package because it is required, it is usually inadvisable skip updates, unless you really understand the issues. +</I> +So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she understands the issues => just make the update automatic in a background task by default then; one doesn't care about the issues - or won't have a single clue about it either, unless being a specific type of user that would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway). + +><i> Changing when the password is requested would reduce the security for the system, as unauthorised users could see what is installed. +</I> +Unauthorised users using an authorised session, to be more specific. + +Security is important. But that's orthogonal to a pleasant/efficient experience. Which is important too. We are aiming at making things for people. + +><i> This may not affect you personnally, but such an option would best not be the default, to protect other systems. So it could be more complicated than the changes suggested above, and would only save you a few seconds. +</I> +"a few seconds" is already a lot for everyone (and even more if the notification breaks your focus). Multiply this by the times such a notification occurs for a typical desktop system, you have a lot of valuable time wasted here. + +That's not such a ludicrous idea; improving the person experience with the system so she can focus on her task and not on the tool is clearly one of our goals. + +But indeed, perhaps it only requires making this more obvious (that is, integrated in the user flow and interface), how to use the existing options. + +Romain +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4883">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4883">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4883">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4883">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004884.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004884.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c5d409cf4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004884.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCACYHsMwwTCdSxYCCFaLxH%2Bm6Z6UiYZD9YkVfiE%3DOK6m9WNHPDQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004883.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004885.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CCACYHsMwwTCdSxYCCFaLxH%2Bm6Z6UiYZD9YkVfiE%3DOK6m9WNHPDQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">ennael at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 20:29:37 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4884">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4884">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4884">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4884">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/7/2 Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Le 2 juil. 2011 à 17:14, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> a écrit : +</I>>><i> Suppose during the update process you have a check box to put a particular update on the skip list, or another to uninstall the corresponding package. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That would be an interesting option to investigate. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Note that if you can't uninstall a package because it is required, it is usually inadvisable skip updates, unless you really understand the issues. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she understands the issues => just make the update automatic in a background task by default then; one doesn't care about the issues - or won't have a single clue about it either, unless being a specific type of user that would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway). +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Changing when the password is requested would reduce the security for the system, as unauthorised users could see what is installed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Unauthorised users using an authorised session, to be more specific. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Security is important. But that's orthogonal to a pleasant/efficient experience. Which is important too. We are aiming at making things for people. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> This may not affect you personnally, but such an option would best not be the default, to protect other systems.  So it could be more complicated than the changes suggested above, and would only save you a few seconds. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "a few seconds" is already a lot for everyone (and even more if the notification breaks your focus). Multiply this by the times such a notification occurs for a typical desktop system, you have a lot of valuable time wasted here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's not such a ludicrous idea; improving the person experience with the system so she can focus on her task and not on the tool is clearly one of our goals. +</I> +><i> But indeed, perhaps it only requires making this more obvious (that is, integrated in the user flow and interface), how to use the existing options. +</I> +Imho those 2 things are bad ideas: + +- having updates in background: Interesting thing in Linux is to learn +people about their system. If they do not want details, then fine we +can just a way to switch from general mode to detailed one. +- giving the possibility of adding easily packages to skip.list is the +best way to break updates of end users systems. They will skip some +updates when it's too long for example, without really being aware of +what they do. Then if an incoming update depends on a specific version +of skipped package it will just break. I would rather add this as an +advanced option in rpmdrake + + +><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4884">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4884">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4884">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4884">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004885.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004885.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..200475291 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004885.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107022110.59955.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004884.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004887.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107022110.59955.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 21:10:59 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4885">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4885">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4885">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4885">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On samedi 02 juillet 2011 at 20:07, Romain d'Alverny wrote : +><i> So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she +</I>><i> understands the issues => just make the update automatic in a background +</I>><i> task by default then; one doesn't care about the issues - or won't have +</I>><i> a single clue about it either, unless being a specific type of user that +</I>><i> would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway). +</I> +No, that is a bad idea, because you should not update a program while it is +running (some won't care, others may have strange problems as some files +they rely on have changed, or even corrupt what the user was working on), so +the user must be aware of what is being upgraded so he can eventually +stopped the concerned program. +Or if he is working on something important he may prefer to delay the update +when his work is finished. +And even if none of the programs to be upgraded are in use at the moment, he +may prefer do delay the update to avoid an IO-intensive task if he is +working on something that requires all the resources of his computer. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4885">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4885">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4885">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4885">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004886.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004886.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4efe4ff36 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004886.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F7B48.4070305%40eesti.ee%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004889.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004888.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Sander Lepik</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F7B48.4070305%40eesti.ee%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">sander.lepik at eesti.ee + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 22:10:48 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4886">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4886">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4886">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4886">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>02.07.2011 22:10, Renaud MICHEL kirjutas: +><i> +</I>><i> No, that is a bad idea, because you should not update a program while it is +</I>><i> running (some won't care, others may have strange problems as some files +</I>><i> they rely on have changed, or even corrupt what the user was working on), so +</I>><i> the user must be aware of what is being upgraded so he can eventually +</I>><i> stopped the concerned program. +</I>><i> Or if he is working on something important he may prefer to delay the update +</I>><i> when his work is finished. +</I>><i> And even if none of the programs to be upgraded are in use at the moment, he +</I>><i> may prefer do delay the update to avoid an IO-intensive task if he is +</I>><i> working on something that requires all the resources of his computer. +</I>><i> +</I>AFAIK most needed libraries and other files are loaded into memory, so if you update system +with bugfix or security update it shouldn' affect much - that's the point of those updates, +they shouldn't change the way how system works. + +-- +Sander + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4886">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4886">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4886">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4886">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004887.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004887.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8395a659f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004887.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F7B2B.4000702%40whitby-jr.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004885.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004889.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Jim Whitby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F7B2B.4000702%40whitby-jr.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">jim at whitby-jr.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 22:10:19 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4887">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4887">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4887">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4887">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 07/02/2011 03:10 PM, Renaud MICHEL wrote: +><i> On samedi 02 juillet 2011 at 20:07, Romain d'Alverny wrote : +</I>>><i> So the user is stuck: unadvisable to skip the updates, unless she +</I>>><i> understands the issues => just make the update automatic in a background +</I>>><i> task by default then; one doesn't care about the issues - or won't have +</I>>><i> a single clue about it either, unless being a specific type of user that +</I>>><i> would know how to disable this auto update setting anyway). +</I>><i> No, that is a bad idea, because you should not update a program while it is +</I>><i> running (some won't care, others may have strange problems as some files +</I>><i> they rely on have changed, or even corrupt what the user was working on), so +</I>><i> the user must be aware of what is being upgraded so he can eventually +</I>><i> stopped the concerned program. +</I> +Interesting. I need educating. What program(s) that you have updated, +that required you to stop using it *now*? +><i> Or if he is working on something important he may prefer to delay the update +</I>><i> when his work is finished. +</I>Ah! So that's how it works? I can upgrade and restart my program when I +feel like it? +><i> And even if none of the programs to be upgraded are in use at the moment, he +</I>><i> may prefer do delay the update to avoid an IO-intensive task if he is +</I>><i> working on something that requires all the resources of his computer. +</I>><i> +</I>So, *not* upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't +just do it later? + +-- +He's just a politician trying to save both his faces... +---------------------- +Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64 +---------------------- + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4887">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4887">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4887">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4887">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004888.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004888.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0ea86f7c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004888.html @@ -0,0 +1,63 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Contribute%20web%20page&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F88F1.8050007%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004886.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Contribute%20web%20page&In-Reply-To=%3C4E0F88F1.8050007%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 23:09:05 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4888">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4888">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4888">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4888">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I just went to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/.">http://www.mageia.org/en/contribute/.</A> In the paragraph on +"Donating" there is a sentence "We keep a public record of what we get +and how we use it" with a link to + +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/">http://www.mageia.org/en/about/reports/</A> + +which gives Access forbidden, error 403. + +That should be fixed. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4888">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4888">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4888">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4888">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004889.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004889.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dc364374a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/004889.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107022326.28088.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004887.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004886.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20mageiaupdate%20and%20the%20list%20of%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3C201107022326.28088.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4889">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4889">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4889">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4889">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On samedi 02 juillet 2011 at 22:10, Jim Whitby wrote : +><i> On 07/02/2011 03:10 PM, Renaud MICHEL wrote: +</I>><i> > No, that is a bad idea, because you should not update a program while +</I>><i> > it is running (some won't care, others may have strange problems as +</I>><i> > some files they rely on have changed, or even corrupt what the user +</I>><i> > was working on), so the user must be aware of what is being upgraded +</I>><i> > so he can eventually stopped the concerned program. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Interesting. I need educating. What program(s) that you have updated, +</I>><i> that required you to stop using it *now*? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Or if he is working on something important he may prefer to delay the +</I>><i> > update when his work is finished. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ah! So that's how it works? I can upgrade and restart my program when I +</I>><i> feel like it? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > And even if none of the programs to be upgraded are in use at the +</I>><i> > moment, he may prefer do delay the update to avoid an IO-intensive +</I>><i> > task if he is working on something that requires all the resources of +</I>><i> > his computer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, *not* upgrading isn't an option? Saying no isn't possible? I can't +</I>><i> just do it later? +</I> +I don't understand what's your point, of course you can upgrade when you +want, that's exactly why I wrote it was a bad idea to have the upgrades made +automatically without asking the user. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4889">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4889">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4889">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4889">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bec589e1d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 2 July 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>2 July 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 02:04:03 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 22<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4873"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4876"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4880"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A><A NAME="4888"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4872"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4879"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4886"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004868.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4868"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4881"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4885"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4889"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4871"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4874"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4877"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4870"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4887"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4869"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4878"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4882"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4883"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4875"> </A> +<I>magnus +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4884"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:32 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/date.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/date.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..192a0a765 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/date.html @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 2 July 2011 Archive by date</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>2 July 2011 Archives by date</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 02:04:03 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 22<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="004868.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4868"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4869"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4870"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4871"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4872"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4873"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4874"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4875"> </A> +<I>magnus +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4876"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4877"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4878"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4879"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4880"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4881"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4882"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4883"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4884"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4885"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4887"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4886"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A><A NAME="4888"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4889"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:32 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/subject.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/subject.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7dac286f4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/subject.html @@ -0,0 +1,157 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 2 July 2011 Archive by subject</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>2 July 2011 Archives by subject</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 02:04:03 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 22<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="004888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A><A NAME="4888"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004868.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4868"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4869"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4870"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4871"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4872"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4873"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4874"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4875"> </A> +<I>magnus +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4876"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4877"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4878"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4879"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4880"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4881"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4882"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4883"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4884"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4885"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4887"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4886"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4889"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:32 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..522ad87ef --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110702/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,189 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 2 July 2011 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>2 July 2011 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 02:04:03 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 22<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01309565043- --> +<LI><A HREF="004868.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4868"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01309565043-01309569777- --> +<LI><A HREF="004869.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4869"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01309565043-01309569777-01309600942- --> +<LI><A HREF="004870.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4870"> </A> +<I>Rémi Verschelde +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01309565043-01309569777-01309600942-01309607517- --> +<LI><A HREF="004878.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4878"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309569777-01309600942-01309609677- --> +<LI><A HREF="004881.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4881"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01309565043-01309603927- --> +<LI><A HREF="004871.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4871"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01309565043-01309603927-01309604242- --> +<LI><A HREF="004872.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4872"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<!--2 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310- --> +<LI><A HREF="004873.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4873"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257- --> +<LI><A HREF="004874.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4874"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605642- --> +<LI><A HREF="004875.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4875"> </A> +<I>magnus +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750- --> +<LI><A HREF="004876.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4876"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296- --> +<LI><A HREF="004877.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4877"> </A> +<I>Antoine Pitrou +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309607742- --> +<LI><A HREF="004879.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4879"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309607823- --> +<LI><A HREF="004880.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4880"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660- --> +<LI><A HREF="004882.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4882"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660-01309630037- --> +<LI><A HREF="004883.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4883"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660-01309630037-01309631377- --> +<LI><A HREF="004884.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4884"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660-01309630037-01309633859- --> +<LI><A HREF="004885.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4885"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660-01309630037-01309633859-01309637419- --> +<LI><A HREF="004887.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4887"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660-01309630037-01309633859-01309637419-01309641988- --> +<LI><A HREF="004889.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4889"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<!--3 01309565043-01309603927-01309604310-01309605257-01309605750-01309607296-01309619660-01309630037-01309633859-01309637448- --> +<LI><A HREF="004886.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageiaupdate and the list of updates +</A><A NAME="4886"> </A> +<I>Sander Lepik +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01309640945- --> +<LI><A HREF="004888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Contribute web page +</A><A NAME="4888"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:28 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jul 2 23:26:32 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |