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Will Mageia ever have +</I>>><i> those in the DVD or will it keep the "free" kind of version that +</I>>><i> Mandriva has? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If it was for me, I would include them but I don't know about the +</I>>><i> original reasons of why they are not. +</I> +In my mind, misplaced ideology. The arguments were that non-free drivers should not be on a +nominally "free" dvd. I say nominally because even the kernel contains technically non-free code. + +Let's make the focus "working out of the box". +If that means including non-free drivers where a reliable free driver does not exist, so be it. +After all, these proprietary drivers are to make the user's proprietary hardware work properly. +And if a reliable free driver exists, of course we wouldn't include the proprietary driver. + +The purists can be accommodated by warnings which would require their confirmation to install any +required non-free software. +The last thing we need is driving potential users away from Mageia (and Linux in general) by an +installation that doesn't work properly. + +><i> The T42 they used is quite old, and that model of IBM Thinkpad had +</I>><i> a problematic Radeon card - I had loads of trouble with mine under +</I>><i> Mandriva, even when using the proprietary drivers. +</I> +The review pointed out that after an Internet search which identified the needed driver, they +downloaded the proprietary driver, which worked properly. So it was _not_ a hardware problem. +Note that this would have been a difficult problem to solve for the average new Linux user. + +They summarized : +"Overall, our opinion is that this first release of Mageia does what the team set out to do. Namely +to build a clean and attractive derivative of Mandriva. Now, if the developers will revisit their +decision not to distribute proprietary video software drivers on the installation media for those +users who need them, we'd say that Mageia seems to have bright future ahead of it." + +So let's eliminate this negative. + +><i> I remember seeing loads of discussion about proprietary binary-only +</I>><i> stuff on this very list, several times. I think most of it can now be +</I>><i> found in the Tainted repos (that's where I found the codecs I +</I>><i> needed). It's a legal issue - there are potential Mageia users in +</I>><i> every country, and differences between licensing issues are very real. +</I> +This is not related to patent or legal issues, as can be found with codecs. +These drivers are freely redistributable but the manufacturers don't provide the source code, so +they are in the non-free repositories. + +my 2 cents :) +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4709">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4709">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4709">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4709">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004710.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004710.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..42bf2f910 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004710.html @@ -0,0 +1,142 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF34713.1050503%40mageia.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004709.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004711.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Thomas Backlund</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF34713.1050503%40mageia.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">tmb at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 12:44:35 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4710">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4710">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4710">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4710">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 11.6.2011 10:44, andre999 wrote: +><i> Patricia Fraser a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:02 PM, Dick Gevers<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>> +</I>>>><i> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 19:51:22 +0200, Patricia Fraser wrote about +</I>>>>><i> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Hi folks, +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> For our reading pleasure (and consideration): +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2076258/impressions-mageia-linux">http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/review/2076258/impressions-mageia-linux</A> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Kudos to these guys +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> And to you! +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The only big problem they mention is the lack of decent video +</I>>>><i> drivers for both Ati and Nvidia in the DVD. Will Mageia ever have +</I>>>><i> those in the DVD or will it keep the "free" kind of version that +</I>>>><i> Mandriva has? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> If it was for me, I would include them but I don't know about the +</I>>>><i> original reasons of why they are not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In my mind, misplaced ideology. The arguments were that non-free drivers should not be on a +</I>><i> nominally "free" dvd. I say nominally because even the kernel contains technically non-free code. +</I>><i> +</I> + +Proof please. what in the _kernel_ is non-free ? + + +><i> Let's make the focus "working out of the box". +</I>><i> If that means including non-free drivers where a reliable free driver does not exist, so be it. +</I>><i> After all, these proprietary drivers are to make the user's proprietary hardware work properly. +</I>><i> And if a reliable free driver exists, of course we wouldn't include the proprietary driver. +</I>><i> +</I> +You know we are promoting open source, not closed stuff... + +And you dont see users on MS side complain when they have to download +drivers from vendor site (or install it separately from a vendor +provided cd/dvd) + +What we missed in Ati case is a fallback to non-KMS mode when firmware +is missing. So the ati driver do work without nonfree stuff too. + +And people should also learn to check if hw is properly supported by +open source before buying. + +We also need to educate endusers that not all hw vendors are +"os-friendly" so lets support those that are... + + +><i> The purists can be accommodated by warnings which would require their confirmation to install any +</I>><i> required non-free software. +</I>><i> The last thing we need is driving potential users away from Mageia (and Linux in general) by an +</I>><i> installation that doesn't work properly. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The T42 they used is quite old, and that model of IBM Thinkpad had +</I>>><i> a problematic Radeon card - I had loads of trouble with mine under +</I>>><i> Mandriva, even when using the proprietary drivers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The review pointed out that after an Internet search which identified the needed driver, they +</I>><i> downloaded the proprietary driver, which worked properly. So it was _not_ a hardware problem. +</I>><i> Note that this would have been a difficult problem to solve for the average new Linux user. +</I>><i> +</I> +Not a driver, only missing firmware. + +><i> They summarized : +</I>><i> "Overall, our opinion is that this first release of Mageia does what the team set out to do. Namely +</I>><i> to build a clean and attractive derivative of Mandriva. Now, if the developers will revisit their +</I>><i> decision not to distribute proprietary video software drivers on the installation media for those +</I>><i> users who need them, we'd say that Mageia seems to have bright future ahead of it." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So let's eliminate this negative. +</I>><i> +</I> +Or teach people about _real_ open source... + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4710">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4710">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4710">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4710">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004711.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004711.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b7de71bf7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004711.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTinbguh6f1a5cXzUT7V4w6Ge8vt9Lw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004710.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004712.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTinbguh6f1a5cXzUT7V4w6Ge8vt9Lw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 13:12:16 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4711">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4711">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4711">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4711">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Yes, nice review but with flaws. + +In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why +this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers. + +The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review. +That's why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users +write the Mandriva reviews. + +As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again +and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of +non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live +media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the +meantime. + ++1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a +part of all this if we didn't. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4711">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4711">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4711">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4711">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004712.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004712.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5831fa35b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004712.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTinS_-ORMC6PSHKparh0899jCHBe%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004711.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004713.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Anne nicolas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTinS_-ORMC6PSHKparh0899jCHBe%2Bw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">ennael at mageia.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 13:21:16 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004713.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4712">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4712">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4712">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4712">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> + +><i> Yes, nice review but with flaws. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why +</I>><i> this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review. +</I>><i> That's why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users +</I>><i> write the Mandriva reviews. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again +</I>><i> and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of +</I>><i> non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live +</I>><i> media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the +</I>><i> meantime. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a +</I>><i> part of all this if we didn't. +</I>><i> c +</I> + +I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our +description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear +for us it may be not that clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the +article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. + A great task for our marketing team :) + + +-- +><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/47c1bc59/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004713.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4712">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4712">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4712">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4712">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004713.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004713.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3828cb72e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004713.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DnTi93joQh9fn%2Bb9oQkGBE%3D824dw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004712.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004715.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DnTi93joQh9fn%2Bb9oQkGBE%3D824dw%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 14:13:40 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004715.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4713">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4713">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4713">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4713">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/6/11 Anne nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, nice review but with flaws. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why +</I>>><i> this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review. +</I>>><i> That's why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users +</I>>><i> write the Mandriva reviews. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again +</I>>><i> and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of +</I>>><i> non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live +</I>>><i> media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the +</I>>><i> meantime. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a +</I>>><i> part of all this if we didn't. +</I>>><i> c +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our +</I>><i> description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear +</I>><i> for us it may be not that  clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the +</I>><i> article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. +</I>><i>  A great task for our marketing team :) +</I> +Yes, we did a lot of such commenting on articles and posting in the +forums about this issue for Mandriva because with each release there +are new users coming and asking. And we are doing it for Mageia as +well. Somehow each new user thinks he has to start his own thread +about this :( + +That's why I'd like to see a basic text, explaining everything. This +text could be published on the website (a link on the download page +"What about non-free software?" leading to that text), in the forums +as general announcement, a link in the release notes, etc. And of +course a blog entry "Mageia's distribution policy about non-free +software". + +Then we do not have to explain it all over again and again in mails +and forums. 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Will Mageia ever have +</I>>>>><i> those in the DVD or will it keep the "free" kind of version that +</I>>>>><i> Mandriva has? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> If it was for me, I would include them but I don't know about the +</I>>>>><i> original reasons of why they are not. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In my mind, misplaced ideology. The arguments were that non-free +</I>>><i> drivers should not be on a +</I>>><i> nominally "free" dvd. I say nominally because even the kernel contains +</I>>><i> technically non-free code. +</I>>><i> +</I> +><i> +</I>>><i> Let's make the focus "working out of the box". +</I>>><i> If that means including non-free drivers where a reliable free driver +</I>>><i> does not exist, so be it. +</I>>><i> After all, these proprietary drivers are to make the user's +</I>>><i> proprietary hardware work properly. +</I>>><i> And if a reliable free driver exists, of course we wouldn't include +</I>>><i> the proprietary driver. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You know we are promoting open source, not closed stuff... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And you dont see users on MS side complain when they have to download +</I>><i> drivers from vendor site (or install it separately from a vendor +</I>><i> provided cd/dvd) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What we missed in Ati case is a fallback to non-KMS mode when firmware +</I>><i> is missing. So the ati driver do work without nonfree stuff too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And people should also learn to check if hw is properly supported by +</I>><i> open source before buying. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We also need to educate endusers that not all hw vendors are +</I>><i> "os-friendly" so lets support those that are... +</I> +If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's +switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may +not even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They +just want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety +driver. I don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On +bootup there was a lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am +using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and +have been able to work around problems with forum/mail list support. I +have installed it for first time users with no problem. They were happy. + +Again, to succeed Mageia must include what is necessary for the average +non-technical user. I want to congratulate all those who have worked so +hard on getting the first version out. + +><i> +</I>><i> Or teach people about _real_ open source... +</I> +That's not going to happen for the average non-technical user. In 2002 I +had heard about Linux and wanted to try something different. I had no +knowledge of system requirements. At that time mandrake was sold in the +local electronic store. It worked. And I have support from a local users +group. + +Gary +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4714">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4714">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4714">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4714">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004715.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004715.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9b7a5f723 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004715.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C20110611150123.7f61b4c3%40andromeda.localdomain%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004713.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004720.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Patricia Fraser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C20110611150123.7f61b4c3%40andromeda.localdomain%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">trish at thefrasers.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 15:01:23 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004713.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4715">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4715">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4715">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4715">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +><i> 2011/6/11 Anne nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael at mageia.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > 2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Yes, nice review but with flaws. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell +</I>><i> >> why this is so and the simple way for the user to get his +</I>><i> >> drivers. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his +</I>><i> >> review. That's why the German magazine was pleased to have +</I>><i> >> Mandriva users write the Mandriva reviews. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up +</I>><i> >> again and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD +</I>><i> >> free of non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on +</I>><i> >> the Live media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has +</I>><i> >> changed in the meantime. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> +1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not +</I>><i> >> be a part of all this if we didn't. +</I>><i> >> c +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve +</I>><i> > our description of available media and why these choice. Eve if +</I>><i> > this is clear for us it may be not that  clear for others. BTW I +</I>><i> > did post a comment on the article to explain this. I also +</I>><i> > answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. A great task for our +</I>><i> > marketing team :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, we did a lot of such commenting on articles and posting in the +</I>><i> forums about this issue for Mandriva because with each release there +</I>><i> are new users coming and asking. And we are doing it for Mageia as +</I>><i> well. Somehow each new user thinks he has to start his own thread +</I>><i> about this :( +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's why I'd like to see a basic text, explaining everything. This +</I>><i> text could be published on the website (a link on the download page +</I>><i> "What about non-free software?" leading to that text), in the forums +</I>><i> as general announcement, a link in the release notes, etc. And of +</I>><i> course a blog entry "Mageia's distribution policy about non-free +</I>><i> software". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then we do not have to explain it all over again and again in mails +</I>><i> and forums. Reviews will still remain the same because normal review +</I>><i> authors do not read such texts. :( +</I> +Yes, agree wholeheartedly. Any clues about exactly what states +our position accurately? Then I can start writing stuff up. + +Cheers, + +-- +Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D +52.4161N,16.9303E +za jun 11 15:00:14 CEST 2011 +GNU/Linux 1997-2010 #283226 counter.li.org +andromeda up 7 hour(s), 38 min. +kernel 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga +-- +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: signature.asc +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 490 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/8ce99633/attachment-0001.asc> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004713.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4715">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4715">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4715">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4715">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004716.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004716.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..21d9d796d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004716.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5Bforum%20help%5D%20webcam%20issue%20with%20empathy&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF36CCB.5040902%40vilarem.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004726.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004719.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy</H1> + <B>Maât</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5Bforum%20help%5D%20webcam%20issue%20with%20empathy&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF36CCB.5040902%40vilarem.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy">maat-ml at vilarem.net + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 15:25:31 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! 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The one's switching +</I>><i> from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not even have the +</I>><i> technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just want it to work. +</I>><i> In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I don't recall that +</I>><i> happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a lot of garbage +</I>><i> about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been +</I>><i> an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around problems with +</I>><i> forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time users with no +</I>><i> problem. They were happy. +</I> +I can run things like neverball on a Radeon HD 5450 with the regular +driver, so I doubt you need the binary-only driver for your card. We +should however make installation of the necessary firmware files for these +cards very easy. Actually I probably have the same video device which I +disabled when I added the 5450 card, but I don't remember if I tested +3D support. + +><i> Again, to succeed Mageia must include what is necessary for the average +</I>><i> non-technical user. I want to congratulate all those who have worked so hard +</I>><i> on getting the first version out. +</I> +Sure and for graphics cards that should be possible except maybe for +some nvidia hardware (I don't know how well nouveau works). + + + Christiaan +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004714.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004718.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4717">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4717">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4717">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4717">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004718.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004718.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..78ce5a830 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004718.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTikNgroJsxirevYTcPrWQ68%3DHps74g%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004717.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004721.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Daniel Kreuter</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTikNgroJsxirevYTcPrWQ68%3DHps74g%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 16:15:48 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4718">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4718">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4718">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4718">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A>>wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's +</I>><i> switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not +</I>><i> even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just +</I>><i> want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I +</I>><i> don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a +</I>><i> lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200 +</I>><i> card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around +</I>><i> problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time +</I>><i> users with no problem. They were happy. +</I>><i> +</I> +In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i +install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have +no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the +driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc's and find out how the +network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be +annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on +the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out +the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install +special software only needed for one single task) + + + + +><i> Gary +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Mit freundlichen Grüßen + +Greetings + +Daniel Kreuter +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/2566f794/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4718">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4718">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4718">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4718">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004719.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004719.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..36f9dad20 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004719.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5Bforum%20help%5D%20webcam%20issue%20with%20empathy&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DJCYxON_fzPvXL0P9kUe3f5qxeXA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004716.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004725.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5Bforum%20help%5D%20webcam%20issue%20with%20empathy&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DJCYxON_fzPvXL0P9kUe3f5qxeXA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 16:36:21 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004725.html">[Mageia-discuss] ipv6 tunnel software +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4719">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4719">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4719">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4719">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/6/11 Maât <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>>: +><i> <A HREF="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=513&p=3231#p3231">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=513&p=3231#p3231</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> if someone finds an idea to help this guy... +</I> +My first idea would be to ask for information - the post does not +contain any info at all. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004725.html">[Mageia-discuss] ipv6 tunnel software +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4719">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4719">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4719">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4719">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004720.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004720.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c281fef7a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004720.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! 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But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our +</I>>><i> description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear +</I>>><i> for us it may be not that clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the +</I>>><i> article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. +</I>>><i> A great task for our marketing team :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, we did a lot of such commenting on articles and posting in the +</I>><i> forums about this issue for Mandriva because with each release there +</I>><i> are new users coming and asking. And we are doing it for Mageia as +</I>><i> well. Somehow each new user thinks he has to start his own thread +</I>><i> about this :( +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's why I'd like to see a basic text, explaining everything. This +</I>><i> text could be published on the website (a link on the download page +</I>><i> "What about non-free software?" leading to that text), in the forums +</I>><i> as general announcement, a link in the release notes, etc. And of +</I>><i> course a blog entry "Mageia's distribution policy about non-free +</I>><i> software". +</I> +Excellent idea. That should really benefit a new user. + +Gary +><i> +</I>><i> Then we do not have to explain it all over again and again in mails +</I>><i> and forums. Reviews will still remain the same because normal review +</I>><i> authors do not read such texts. :( +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004715.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004714.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4720">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4720">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4720">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4720">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004721.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004721.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9151deb1e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004721.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DUsVFfafafLpO4qpK8v778PN%3D%3D4w%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004718.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004722.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Lee Forest</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTi%3DUsVFfafafLpO4qpK8v778PN%3D%3D4w%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">lee8oi at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 17:11:03 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004718.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004722.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4721">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4721">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4721">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4721">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I +installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when I +configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver from +online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im kinda +confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video +configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does +it lack this feature? +On Jun 11, 2011 10:16 AM, "Daniel Kreuter" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">daniel.kreuter85 at googlemail.com</A>> +wrote: +><i> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gmontalbine at cox.net</A> +</I>><i>wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's +</I>>><i> switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not +</I>>><i> even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just +</I>>><i> want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety +</I>driver. I +>><i> don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there +</I>was a +>><i> lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD +</I>4200 +>><i> card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around +</I>>><i> problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time +</I>>><i> users with no problem. They were happy. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when +</I>i +><i> install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have +</I>><i> no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the +</I>><i> driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc's and find out how +</I>the +><i> network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be +</I>><i> annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research +</I>on +><i> the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out +</I>><i> the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install +</I>><i> special software only needed for one single task) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Gary +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Mit freundlichen Grüßen +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Greetings +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Daniel Kreuter +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/7cda7004/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004718.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004722.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4721">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4721">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4721">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4721">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004722.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004722.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4cb10eb57 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004722.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201106111531.p5BFV1fH077981%40smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004721.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004723.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Dick Gevers</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C201106111531.p5BFV1fH077981%40smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">dvgevers at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 17:31:00 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4722">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4722">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4722">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4722">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re: +[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!: + +><i>I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I +</I>><i>installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when +</I>><i>I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver +</I>><i>from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im +</I>><i>kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video +</I>><i>configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does +</I>><i>it lack this feature? +</I> +Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost. + +Thanks v.m. & good luck, +=Dick Gevers= +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4722">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4722">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4722">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4722">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004723.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004723.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a84ce3fa0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004723.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C20110611180402.2b2879ce%40andromeda.localdomain%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004722.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004724.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Patricia Fraser</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3C20110611180402.2b2879ce%40andromeda.localdomain%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">trish at thefrasers.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 18:04:02 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004722.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4723">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4723">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4723">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4723">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +><i> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re: +</I>><i> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. +</I>><i> >When I installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the +</I>><i> >installer, when I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to +</I>><i> >install the nvidia driver from online. It installed quick and easy +</I>><i> >and the driver works great. So im kinda confused by this +</I>><i> >conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video configuration from +</I>><i> >the installer or is this about the live installer? Does it lack +</I>><i> >this feature? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost. +</I> +I don't think this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread, although +if you didn't read from the beginning it might seem like it! + +Cheers, + +-- +Trish Fraser, JD9R RQ2D +52.4161N,16.9303E +za jun 11 18:03:24 CEST 2011 +GNU/Linux 1997-2010 #283226 counter.li.org +andromeda up 10 hour(s), 41 min. +kernel 2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga +-- +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: signature.asc +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 490 bytes +Desc: not available +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/efafa994/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004722.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4723">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4723">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4723">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4723">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004724.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004724.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bcc53aead --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004724.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! 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+</I> +I did, but I thought it was pretty far off from it. + +But if I offended someone, that was not the plan ! + +BFN +=Dick Gevers= +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4724">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4724">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4724">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4724">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004725.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004725.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fb6374c42 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004725.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] ipv6 tunnel software + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ipv6%20tunnel%20software&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF39DCD.3000100%40whitby-jr.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004719.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] ipv6 tunnel software</H1> + <B>Jim Whitby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20ipv6%20tunnel%20software&In-Reply-To=%3C4DF39DCD.3000100%40whitby-jr.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] ipv6 tunnel software">jim at whitby-jr.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 18:54:37 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4725">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4725">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4725">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4725">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 06/10/2011 02:40 PM, Balcaen John wrote: +><i> Le vendredi 10 juin 2011 09:46:15, Jim Whitby a écrit : +</I>>><i> For anyone who has attempted/used gogo6 ( freenet6 ) tunnel program. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> *If* you have a problem running as a router. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The anomaly is that there isn't a user named radvd and a dir named +</I>>><i> /var/run/radvd owned by radvd. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This almost drove me nuts for a over a week. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I'd really like to see this packaged for Mga. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> You want to a package for freenet6 ? or radvd? (which is already available) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards, +</I>><i> +</I>Sorry, didn't mean to be ambiguous. + +Freenet6 is what I was intending ( or actually gogoc ) for packaging. + +Just to clarify: the anomaly is in the gogoc prog, it presumes the radvd +usr & dir exist. + +To expand on the anomaly, Radvd does not create a usr for itself or a +run dir under var. OK no biggie. +Gogoc presumes these *do* exist and makes no checks to verify them. + +This is only applicable if you're attempting to run gogoc as a router. + +-- +e-credibility: the non-guaranteeable likelihood that the electronic data +you're seeing is genuine rather than somebody's made-up crap. +- Karl Lehenbauer +---------------------- +Mageia release 1 (Official) for x86_64 +2.6.38.7-desktop-1.mga x86_64 +---------------------- + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4725">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4725">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4725">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4725">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004726.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004726.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..637b09bcb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/004726.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTinBd3ZHiknG%3DSitoanF_1QPB4U69A%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="004724.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="004716.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!</H1> + <B>Lee Forest</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Nice%20review%21&In-Reply-To=%3CBANLkTinBd3ZHiknG%3DSitoanF_1QPB4U69A%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Nice review!">lee8oi at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Jun 11 19:18:02 CEST 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4726">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4726">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4726">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4726">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Sorry still getting used to this android email deal. But it was regarding +the proprietary drivers remarks in the review. +On Jun 11, 2011 11:31 AM, "Dick Gevers" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re: +</I>><i> [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> >I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I +</I>><i> >installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, +</I>when +><i> >I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver +</I>><i> >from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So +</I>im +><i> >kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video +</I>><i> >configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? +</I>Does +><i> >it lack this feature? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Thanks v.m. & good luck, +</I>><i> =Dick Gevers= +</I>-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110611/9c7de923/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4726">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4726">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4726">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4726">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b18edbcb8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 11 June 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>11 June 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jun 11 09:44:59 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jun 11 19:18:02 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 18<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="004710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! 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+</A><A NAME="4709"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4710"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4711"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4712"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004713.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4713"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004714.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4714"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004715.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4715"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4717"> </A> +<I>Christiaan Welvaart +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004718.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4718"> </A> +<I>Daniel Kreuter +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4720"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4721"> </A> +<I>Lee Forest +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004722.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4722"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4723"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4724"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="004726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4726"> </A> +<I>Lee Forest +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Jun 11 19:18:02 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jun 11 19:18:06 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..658e5e2ea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20110611/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,165 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 11 June 2011 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>11 June 2011 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Jun 11 09:44:59 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Jun 11 19:18:02 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 18<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01307778299- --> +<LI><A HREF="004709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4709"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01307778299-01307789075- --> +<LI><A HREF="004710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4710"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01307778299-01307789075-01307790736- --> +<LI><A HREF="004711.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4711"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307790736-01307791276- --> +<LI><A HREF="004712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4712"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307790736-01307791276-01307794420- --> +<LI><A HREF="004713.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4713"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307790736-01307791276-01307794420-01307797283- --> +<LI><A HREF="004715.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4715"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307790736-01307791276-01307794420-01307804737- --> +<LI><A HREF="004720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4720"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108- --> +<LI><A HREF="004714.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4714"> </A> +<I>Gary Montalbine +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307800397- --> +<LI><A HREF="004717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4717"> </A> +<I>Christiaan Welvaart +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307801748- --> +<LI><A HREF="004718.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4718"> </A> +<I>Daniel Kreuter +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307801748-01307805063- --> +<LI><A HREF="004721.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4721"> </A> +<I>Lee Forest +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307801748-01307805063-01307806260- --> +<LI><A HREF="004722.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4722"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307801748-01307805063-01307806260-01307808242- --> +<LI><A HREF="004723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4723"> </A> +<I>Patricia Fraser +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307801748-01307805063-01307806260-01307808242-01307810805- --> +<LI><A HREF="004724.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4724"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<!--3 01307778299-01307789075-01307796108-01307801748-01307805063-01307806260-01307812682- --> +<LI><A HREF="004726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A><A NAME="4726"> </A> +<I>Lee Forest +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01307798731- --> +<LI><A HREF="004716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A><A NAME="4716"> </A> +<I>Maât +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01307798731-01307802981- --> +<LI><A HREF="004719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [forum help] webcam issue with empathy +</A><A NAME="4719"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01307811277- --> +<LI><A HREF="004725.html">[Mageia-discuss] ipv6 tunnel software +</A><A NAME="4725"> </A> +<I>Jim Whitby +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Jun 11 19:18:02 CEST 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Jun 11 19:18:06 CEST 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |