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Will Mageia ever have +</I>>>>><i> those in the DVD or will it keep the "free" kind of version that +</I>>>>><i> Mandriva has? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> If it was for me, I would include them but I don't know about the +</I>>>>><i> original reasons of why they are not. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> In my mind, misplaced ideology. The arguments were that non-free +</I>>><i> drivers should not be on a +</I>>><i> nominally "free" dvd. I say nominally because even the kernel contains +</I>>><i> technically non-free code. +</I>>><i> +</I> +><i> +</I>>><i> Let's make the focus "working out of the box". +</I>>><i> If that means including non-free drivers where a reliable free driver +</I>>><i> does not exist, so be it. +</I>>><i> After all, these proprietary drivers are to make the user's +</I>>><i> proprietary hardware work properly. +</I>>><i> And if a reliable free driver exists, of course we wouldn't include +</I>>><i> the proprietary driver. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You know we are promoting open source, not closed stuff... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And you dont see users on MS side complain when they have to download +</I>><i> drivers from vendor site (or install it separately from a vendor +</I>><i> provided cd/dvd) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What we missed in Ati case is a fallback to non-KMS mode when firmware +</I>><i> is missing. So the ati driver do work without nonfree stuff too. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And people should also learn to check if hw is properly supported by +</I>><i> open source before buying. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We also need to educate endusers that not all hw vendors are +</I>><i> "os-friendly" so lets support those that are... +</I> +If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one's +switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may +not even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They +just want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety +driver. I don't recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On +bootup there was a lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am +using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and +have been able to work around problems with forum/mail list support. I +have installed it for first time users with no problem. They were happy. + +Again, to succeed Mageia must include what is necessary for the average +non-technical user. I want to congratulate all those who have worked so +hard on getting the first version out. + +><i> +</I>><i> Or teach people about _real_ open source... +</I> +That's not going to happen for the average non-technical user. In 2002 I +had heard about Linux and wanted to try something different. I had no +knowledge of system requirements. At that time mandrake was sold in the +local electronic store. It worked. And I have support from a local users +group. + +Gary +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004720.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Nice review! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4714">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4714">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4714">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4714">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |