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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?">anssi.hannula at iki.fi
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+<PRE>On 22.05.2011 02:56, Michael scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+</I>&gt;<i> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+</I>&gt;<i> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+</I>&gt;<i> people fixing various problem.
+</I>
+Hey, I thought I rewrote it :p
+.. or maybe it was too recent (2008) to be counted.
+
+(while I admit it is not as good as it could be, at least it is much
+better than it used to be)
+
+&gt;<i> - the core of the system was still &quot;here is a website that a new user cannot find by
+</I>&gt;<i> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need to type as root,
+</I>&gt;<i> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him&quot;. That's bad on many levels :
+</I>&gt;<i> - difficult to find for a new user.
+</I>&gt;<i> - asking to type command as root first, and later &quot;click on a link in your browser and type after your
+</I>&gt;<i> admin password&quot;, which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.
+</I>&gt;<i> - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or
+</I>&gt;<i> that fail silently )
+</I>
++1 for these.
+
+&gt;<i> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (
+</I>&gt;<i> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will
+</I>&gt;<i> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and
+</I>&gt;<i> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
+</I>
+Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+'''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+a specific media mirror'''
+as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
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+<PRE>On 24 May 2011 04:10, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 22.05.2011 02:56, Michael scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people fixing various problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, I thought I rewrote it :p
+</I>&gt;<i> .. or maybe it was too recent (2008) to be counted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (while I admit it is not as good as it could be, at least it is much
+</I>&gt;<i> better than it used to be)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the core of the system was still &quot;here is a website that a new user cannot find by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need to type as root,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him&quot;. That's bad on many levels :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- difficult to find for a new user.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- asking to type command as root first, and later &quot;click on a link in your browser and type after your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> admin password&quot;, which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that fail silently )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 for these.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> '''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+</I>&gt;<i> a specific media mirror'''
+</I>&gt;<i> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I added it to the mdv wiki[1] about 1-2years ago.
+
+[1]<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Adding_a_specific_Media_Mirror">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Adding_a_specific_Media_Mirror</A>
+
+I am not sure if this page got imported in the Mageia wiki or not
+(probably not yet).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> '''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+</I>&gt;<i> a specific media mirror'''
+</I>&gt;<i> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+</I>
+Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+everybody should know about it.
+
+A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+2 options when you click on the default &quot;Add&quot; button:
+1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+3 Add a specific media mirror
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>tisdagen den 24 maj 2011 09.50.53 skrev Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; '''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a specific media mirror'''
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+</I>&gt;<i> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+</I>&gt;<i> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody should know about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 options when you click on the default &quot;Add&quot; button:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+</I>
+That is a very good idea!
+</PRE>
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 24 mai 2011 &#224; 05:10 +0300, Anssi Hannula a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 22.05.2011 02:56, Michael scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people fixing various problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, I thought I rewrote it :p
+</I>&gt;<i> .. or maybe it was too recent (2008) to be counted.
+</I>
+Nope, indeed, you rewrote it, I was still thinking of the old one with
+the big php array ( not a hash, a array ). There is still some issue
+( ie people need to write php to translate, it doesn't handle plurals
+and there is no tool support ) but at least, it doesn't hurt my eyes and
+is much more robust.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+&gt;<i> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> '''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a specific media mirror'''
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+</I>&gt;<i> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+</I>&gt;<i> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody should know about it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'd been posting that link in the mdv forum for 1-2years, of course
+old hands wouldn't read it (why would one read an article about
+something he already knows).
+
+&gt;<i> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 options when you click on the default &quot;Add&quot; button:
+</I>&gt;<i> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, no, Only updates and Full set applies to both methods, the
+MIRRORLIST and specific media mirrors. (IMHO, &quot;updates only&quot; should be
+dropped, in reality a package in */updates may well require a package
+from &quot;release&quot;, also updates repos don't have the full range of
+packages in */release).
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>2011/5/24 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 24 May 2011 09:50, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> '''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a specific media mirror'''
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everybody should know about it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd been posting that link in the mdv forum for 1-2years, of course
+</I>&gt;<i> old hands wouldn't read it (why would one read an article about
+</I>&gt;<i> something he already knows).
+</I>
+Hmm, I haven't been to the Mandriva forum very often after summer
+2009. But I read each thread in the German Mandriva user forum and I
+am sure that this was never told there. So, given the fact that many
+German users also read the international Mandriva forum, the
+information must have gone past them as well.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2 options when you click on the default &quot;Add&quot; button:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, no, Only updates and Full set applies to both methods, the
+</I>&gt;<i> MIRRORLIST and specific media mirrors. (IMHO, &quot;updates only&quot; should be
+</I>&gt;<i> dropped, in reality a package in */updates may well require a package
+</I>&gt;<i> from &quot;release&quot;, also updates repos don't have the full range of
+</I>&gt;<i> packages in */release).
+</I>
+Agreed. I have been wondering about the reason behind that option for long.
+I took for granted that &quot;Add a specific mirror&quot; includes a full set anyway
+So, option #1 could be dropped and the &quot;Add&quot; button could offer
+ - random mirrors from mirrorlist
+ - specific mirror
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011/5/24 Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 24 May 2011 09:50, Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> '''Open &quot;configure media sources for install and update&quot; -&gt; File -&gt; Add
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a specific media mirror'''
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default &quot;add&quot; which adds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everybody should know about it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd been posting that link in the mdv forum for 1-2years, of course
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> old hands wouldn't read it (why would one read an article about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something he already knows).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, I haven't been to the Mandriva forum very often after summer
+</I>&gt;<i> 2009. But I read each thread in the German Mandriva user forum and I
+</I>&gt;<i> am sure that this was never told there. So, given the fact that many
+</I>&gt;<i> German users also read the international Mandriva forum, the
+</I>&gt;<i> information must have gone past them as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2 options when you click on the default &quot;Add&quot; button:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, no, Only updates and Full set applies to both methods, the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MIRRORLIST and specific media mirrors. (IMHO, &quot;updates only&quot; should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dropped, in reality a package in */updates may well require a package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from &quot;release&quot;, also updates repos don't have the full range of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages in */release).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. I have been wondering about the reason behind that option for long.
+</I>&gt;<i> I took for granted that &quot;Add a specific mirror&quot; includes a full set anyway
+</I>&gt;<i> So, option #1 could be dropped and the &quot;Add&quot; button could offer
+</I>&gt;<i> - random mirrors from mirrorlist
+</I>&gt;<i> - specific mirror
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Good idea.
+But since it isn't randomly selected (unless one closes one's eyes and holds down alternately the
+up and down arrows for a few seconds), and considering the menu context, it might be better worded as :
+ - add a mirror selected from the Mageia mirror list
+ - add a personnally entered mirror
+
+Note that (in Mandriva) it is currently (approximately, translated from French) :
+ - add a media specific mirror
+ - add a personalised mirror
+Obviously somewhat less than clear.
+
+(Also note that in English &quot;mirror list&quot; is 2 words.)
+
+my 2 cents :)
+
+--
+Andr&#233;
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+ <h1>24 May 2011 Archives by date</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 24 04:10:18 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 8<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004353.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004356.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011</i><br>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 24 04:10:18 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 8<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004353.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004356.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="004359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue May 24 20:03:58 CEST 2011</i>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue May 24 04:10:18 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 8<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01306203018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004352.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01306203018-01306206978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004353.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01306203018-01306223453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01306203018-01306223453-01306224027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01306203018-01306223453-01306251567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01306203018-01306223453-01306251567-01306256023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004358.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01306203018-01306223453-01306251567-01306256023-01306259888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andre999
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01306203018-01306226107- -->
+<LI><A HREF="004356.html">[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?
+</A><A NAME="4356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue May 24 20:03:58 CEST 2011</i>
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