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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Anssi Hannula + anssi.hannula at iki.fi +
+ Tue May 24 04:10:18 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On 22.05.2011 02:56, Michael scherer wrote:
+> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+> people fixing various problem.
+
+Hey, I thought I rewrote it :p
+.. or maybe it was too recent (2008) to be counted.
+
+(while I admit it is not as good as it could be, at least it is much
+better than it used to be)
+
+> - the core of the system was still "here is a website that a new user cannot find by 
+> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need to type as root,
+> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him". That's bad on many levels :
+>  - difficult to find for a new user.
+>  - asking to type command as root first, and later "click on a link in your browser and type after your
+> admin password", which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.
+>  - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or 
+> that fail silently )
+
++1 for these.
+
+> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe
+> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (
+> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will 
+> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and 
+> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
+
+Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+'''Open "configure media sources for install and update" -> File -> Add
+a specific media mirror'''
+as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+
+-- 
+Anssi Hannula
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue May 24 05:16:18 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On 24 May 2011 04:10, Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi> wrote:
+> On 22.05.2011 02:56, Michael scherer wrote:
+>> - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+>> neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+>> primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+>> people fixing various problem.
+>
+> Hey, I thought I rewrote it :p
+> .. or maybe it was too recent (2008) to be counted.
+>
+> (while I admit it is not as good as it could be, at least it is much
+> better than it used to be)
+>
+>> - the core of the system was still "here is a website that a new user cannot find by
+>> itself, that will give command that he doesn't understand, and that he need to type as root,
+>> after asking question that didn't made much sense for him". That's bad on many levels :
+>>  - difficult to find for a new user.
+>>  - asking to type command as root first, and later "click on a link in your browser and type after your
+>> admin password", which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.
+>>  - asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or
+>> that fail silently )
+>
+> +1 for these.
+>
+>> Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe
+>> some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (
+>> bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will
+>> oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and
+>> would recommend to people to not deploy it.
+>
+> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+> '''Open "configure media sources for install and update" -> File -> Add
+> a specific media mirror'''
+> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+>
+> --
+> Anssi Hannula
+>
+
+I added it to the mdv wiki[1] about 1-2years ago.
+
+[1]http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Basic_tasks/Installing_and_removing_software#Adding_a_specific_Media_Mirror
+
+I am not sure if this page got imported in the Mageia wiki or not
+(probably not yet).
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue May 24 09:50:53 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi>:
+> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+> '''Open "configure media sources for install and update" -> File -> Add
+> a specific media mirror'''
+> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+
+Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+everybody should know about it.
+
+A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+2 options when you click on the default "Add" button:
+1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+3 Add a specific media mirror
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
+

+ +
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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Morgan Leijström + fri at tribun.eu +
+ Tue May 24 10:00:27 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
tisdagen den 24 maj 2011 09.50.53 skrev  Wolfgang Bornath:
+> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi>:
+> > Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+> > '''Open "configure media sources for install and update" -> File -> Add
+> > a specific media mirror'''
+> > as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+> > mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+> 
+> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+> everybody should know about it.
+> 
+> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+> 2 options when you click on the default "Add" button:
+> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+
+That is a very good idea!
+
+ + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Michael Scherer + misc at zarb.org +
+ Tue May 24 10:35:07 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Le mardi 24 mai 2011 à 05:10 +0300, Anssi Hannula a écrit :
+> On 22.05.2011 02:56, Michael scherer wrote:
+> > - the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and
+> > neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is
+> > primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites
+> > people fixing various problem.
+> 
+> Hey, I thought I rewrote it :p
+> .. or maybe it was too recent (2008) to be counted.
+
+Nope, indeed, you rewrote it, I was still thinking of the old one with
+the big php array ( not a hash, a array ). There is still some issue
+( ie people need to write php to translate, it doesn't handle plurals
+and there is no tool support ) but at least, it doesn't hurt my eyes and
+is much more robust. 
+
+-- 
+Michael Scherer
+
+
+ + + + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Ahmad Samir + ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com +
+ Tue May 24 17:39:27 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
On 24 May 2011 09:50, Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com> wrote:
+> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi>:
+>> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+>> '''Open "configure media sources for install and update" -> File -> Add
+>> a specific media mirror'''
+>> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+>> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+>
+> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+> everybody should know about it.
+>
+
+I'd been posting that link in the mdv forum for 1-2years, of course
+old hands wouldn't read it (why would one read an article about
+something he already knows).
+
+> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+> 2 options when you click on the default "Add" button:
+> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+>
+
+Well, no, Only updates and Full set applies to both methods, the
+MIRRORLIST and specific media mirrors. (IMHO, "updates only" should be
+dropped, in reality a package in */updates may well require a package
+from "release", also updates repos don't have the full range of
+packages in */release).
+
+> --
+> wobo
+>
+
+
+
+-- 
+Ahmad Samir
+
+ + + +
+

+ +
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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ Wolfgang Bornath + molch.b at googlemail.com +
+ Tue May 24 18:53:43 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
2011/5/24 Ahmad Samir <ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+> On 24 May 2011 09:50, Wolfgang Bornath <molch.b at googlemail.com> wrote:
+>> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula <anssi.hannula at iki.fi>:
+>>> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+>>> '''Open "configure media sources for install and update" -> File -> Add
+>>> a specific media mirror'''
+>>> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+>>> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+>>
+>> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+>> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+>> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+>> everybody should know about it.
+>>
+>
+> I'd been posting that link in the mdv forum for 1-2years, of course
+> old hands wouldn't read it (why would one read an article about
+> something he already knows).
+
+Hmm, I haven't been to the Mandriva forum very often after summer
+2009. But I read each thread in the German Mandriva user forum and I
+am sure that this was never told there. So, given the fact that many
+German users also read the international Mandriva forum, the
+information must have gone past them as well.
+
+>> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+>> 2 options when you click on the default "Add" button:
+>> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+>> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+>> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+>>
+>
+> Well, no, Only updates and Full set applies to both methods, the
+> MIRRORLIST and specific media mirrors. (IMHO, "updates only" should be
+> dropped, in reality a package in */updates may well require a package
+> from "release", also updates repos don't have the full range of
+> packages in */release).
+
+Agreed. I have been wondering about the reason behind that option for long.
+I took for granted that "Add a specific mirror" includes a full set anyway
+So, option #1 could be dropped and the "Add" button could offer
+ - random mirrors from mirrorlist
+ - specific mirror
+
+-- 
+wobo
+
+ + + +
+

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[Mageia-discuss] Easyurpmi forMageia ?

+ andre999 + andr55 at laposte.net +
+ Tue May 24 19:58:08 CEST 2011 +

+
+ +
Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+>
+> 2011/5/24 Ahmad Samir<ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com>:
+>> On 24 May 2011 09:50, Wolfgang Bornath<molch.b at googlemail.com>  wrote:
+>>> 2011/5/24 Anssi Hannula<anssi.hannula at iki.fi>:
+>>>> Maybe have a page that explains on how to use e.g.
+>>>> '''Open "configure media sources for install and update" ->  File ->  Add
+>>>> a specific media mirror'''
+>>>> as pointed by Ahmad (in addition to the default "add" which adds
+>>>> mirrorlist medias). I for one didn't know this option even existed...
+>>>
+>>> Your statement that you did not know about this option together with
+>>> the fact that other experienced long time users (including me) stated
+>>> the same shows that the existing page in a wiki does not mean that
+>>> everybody should know about it.
+>>>
+>>
+>> I'd been posting that link in the mdv forum for 1-2years, of course
+>> old hands wouldn't read it (why would one read an article about
+>> something he already knows).
+>
+> Hmm, I haven't been to the Mandriva forum very often after summer
+> 2009. But I read each thread in the German Mandriva user forum and I
+> am sure that this was never told there. So, given the fact that many
+> German users also read the international Mandriva forum, the
+> information must have gone past them as well.
+>
+>>> A solution would be to make this option visible, like adding it to the
+>>> 2 options when you click on the default "Add" button:
+>>> 1 Add mirrorlist media - Only updates
+>>> 2 Add mirrorlist media - Full set
+>>> 3 Add a specific media mirror
+>>>
+>>
+>> Well, no, Only updates and Full set applies to both methods, the
+>> MIRRORLIST and specific media mirrors. (IMHO, "updates only" should be
+>> dropped, in reality a package in */updates may well require a package
+>> from "release", also updates repos don't have the full range of
+>> packages in */release).
+>
+> Agreed. I have been wondering about the reason behind that option for long.
+> I took for granted that "Add a specific mirror" includes a full set anyway
+> So, option #1 could be dropped and the "Add" button could offer
+>   - random mirrors from mirrorlist
+>   - specific mirror
+>
+Good idea.
+But since it isn't randomly selected (unless one closes one's eyes and holds down alternately the 
+up and down arrows for a few seconds), and considering the menu context, it might be better worded as :
+  - add a mirror selected from the Mageia mirror list
+  - add a personnally entered mirror
+
+Note that (in Mandriva) it is currently (approximately, translated from French) :
+  - add a media specific mirror
+  - add a personalised mirror
+Obviously somewhat less than clear.
+
+(Also note that in English "mirror list" is 2 words.)
+
+my 2 cents :)
+
+-- 
+André
+
+ + +
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