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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002553.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002553.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40c111e7f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002553.html @@ -0,0 +1,67 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%0A%09%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3F%3D5BMageia-announce%3D5D_One_month_later%3F%3D%0A%09%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3F%3D3A_Mageia%3DE2%3D80%3D99s_home_is_almost_habitable%21%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimvETHYN9nxYJUO4LvAohL%3D7FaO8t-5MVptZrTU%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002554.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable!</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%0A%09%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3F%3D5BMageia-announce%3D5D_One_month_later%3F%3D%0A%09%3D%3Futf-8%3Fq%3F%3D3A_Mageia%3DE2%3D80%3D99s_home_is_almost_habitable%21%3F%3D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimvETHYN9nxYJUO4LvAohL%3D7FaO8t-5MVptZrTU%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable!">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 01:24:50 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002554.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2553">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2553">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2553">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2553">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/23 Anne nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> Hi there +</I>><i> Here are weekly news from Mageia on association but also build system: +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=106">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=106</A> +</I>><i> Enjoy! +</I> +German translation online. + +Question: +I believe the CoC is still under discussion/review (see ML)? + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002554.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2553">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2553">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2553">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2553">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002554.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002554.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0453bcb6b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002554.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DQSs-Dp5p%2Bjt9S-4UDpBoGgzLcKe5gPTdTdUL0%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002553.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002555.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DQSs-Dp5p%2Bjt9S-4UDpBoGgzLcKe5gPTdTdUL0%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 07:16:51 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002553.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2554">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2554">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2554">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2554">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 22 October 2010 22:57, Juergen Harms <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>> wrote: +><i> There is a secondary issue tied to the questions discussed in this thread: +</I>><i> is it good strategy to do all package selection quite early during system +</I>><i> generation? At present, package selection looks to me as an integral part of +</I>><i> the system generation process, "burned" onto the installation media. Must +</I>><i> that be so? has this question already been discussed? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Naively, I see an alternative: cut package selection into 2 parts: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (1) have system installation start by configuring a minimum set of packages, +</I>><i> those that are strictly necessary to obtain a running system for the +</I>><i> hardware and the desktop environment auto-detected / user-selected. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (2) install additional packages that customise the system to the profile +</I>><i> desired by the user only at the end of system generation - that could even +</I>><i> be delayed to the time the system does its first bootstrap (that could still +</I>><i> be done in a way that is transparent to users who want an out-of-the-box +</I>><i> installation). +</I>><i> +</I> +With the current installer you can select "customize" (instead of +selecting KDE or GNOME) and uncheck all the options there when you +click next the installer will even give you options to: +- install/not-install X +- install/not-install suggested packages +- go with a really minimal system and not install even urpmi + + +So, either it's a new user, he can select KDE or GNOME; or it's an +advanced/experienced user, he can deselect all the packages he wants, +and go with a very minimal system to begin with and then add the bits +and pieces he wants. + +><i> [...] +</I>><i> +</I> +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002553.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable! +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2554">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2554">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2554">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2554">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002555.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002555.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..53a8bcaac --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002555.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231012.41762.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002554.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002557.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231012.41762.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 10:12:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002554.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2555">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2555">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2555">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2555">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Den 2010-10-23 07:16:51 skrev Ahmad Samir: +><i> On 22 October 2010 22:57, Juergen Harms <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > There is a secondary issue tied to the questions discussed in this +</I>><i> > thread: is it good strategy to do all package selection quite early +</I>><i> > during system generation? At present, package selection looks to me as an +</I>><i> > integral part of the system generation process, "burned" onto the +</I>><i> > installation media. Must that be so? has this question already been +</I>><i> > discussed? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Naively, I see an alternative: cut package selection into 2 parts: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (1) have system installation start by configuring a minimum set of +</I>><i> > packages, those that are strictly necessary to obtain a running system +</I>><i> > for the hardware and the desktop environment auto-detected / +</I>><i> > user-selected. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (2) install additional packages that customise the system to the profile +</I>><i> > desired by the user only at the end of system generation - that could +</I>><i> > even be delayed to the time the system does its first bootstrap (that +</I>><i> > could still be done in a way that is transparent to users who want an +</I>><i> > out-of-the-box installation). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With the current installer you can select "customize" (instead of +</I>><i> selecting KDE or GNOME) and uncheck all the options there when you +</I>><i> click next the installer will even give you options to: +</I>><i> - install/not-install X +</I>><i> - install/not-install suggested packages +</I>><i> - go with a really minimal system and not install even urpmi +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, either it's a new user, he can select KDE or GNOME; or it's an +</I>><i> advanced/experienced user, he can deselect all the packages he wants, +</I>><i> and go with a very minimal system to begin with and then add the bits +</I>><i> and pieces he wants. +</I> +It is good so far. + +(And maybe we could add LXDE or other light environment as option like KDE and +GNOME for a noob that want to try put life in his old computer but is scared +off from customised mode) + +But maybe there should be less packages included in the 2 or 3 complete +desktop alternatives, and instead after first desktop bootup open some noob +friendly program chooser/installer in accordance with Juergens part 2) above? + +But, it IS convenient for most users to have at least Firefox by default, and +this and that.. have to put the limit somewhere. Maybe the user should +choose office suite afterwards, email program, another browser, and be +presented simple methods to select CD burnig, music player, video editing, +gaming etc. + +But, that raises next question: should Mageia propose a short list of programs +we propose, and how should thoose be chosen? Then maybe user thinks, oh is +there so few program and not this progam X that I like, although Mageia do +have it, but he need to use the full installer to see them... + +Need to be crafted so it without clutter give noobs a clear wiew, but at the +same time encourages and makes possible to use the whole repos when he knows +what he is after. + +Maybe just simply add a "proposed programs" section to drakrpm, and make it +open it by default, and make drakrpm start upon desktop boot until user cliks +a box to have it not to. So the user get the best served in his face, +without limiting his choices, nor he need to know yet another app, and we +need not do much development for it. + +BTW, it should configure normal repos automatically, and it should be more +noob friendly to add, with exlanations, and a button from drakrpm dialog. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002554.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2555">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2555">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2555">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2555">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002556.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002556.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e55d05857 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002556.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC29A48.3040704%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002565.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002558.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC29A48.3040704%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 10:18:16 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002558.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 10/23/2010 07:16 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote: +><i> With the current installer you can select "customize" (instead of +</I>><i> selecting KDE or GNOME) and uncheck all the options there when you +</I>><i> click next the installer will even give you options to: +</I>><i> - install/not-install X +</I>><i> - install/not-install suggested packages +</I>><i> - go with a really minimal system and not install even urpmi +</I> +Right - that is OK for me and for you, and we can use things like +drax/package_list.pl if we do want to do fancy customisation scripts - +but that is not the issue I wanted to discuss. + +In (part of) this thread a reflection is made on how to address +customers with specific "target" profiles, and on the opportunity to +shape the system for helping so targetted users get the system they want +- on what profiles should be considered. + +The discussion also made the point that this might help to increase the +attractivity of Mageia for new users - particular those with an +MS-windows culture. Such users are ready to say "I want games" or "I +need engineering tools", but they do not want to get involved with first +finding and then adding bits; if they "have a profile" the minimum KDE +or Gnome installation will - and should - not be enough for them (and, +btw, at least for KDE, the, "minimum" configuration is far from a +minimum configuration, it rather looks like a configuration concocted +for "the typical KDE user" as seen by some non-user). + +The question I asked is how this is possible without burrying such +configuration issues into the system installation software and keep +things simple and flexible. Yes, the components you mention exist and do +not need to be re-created - the issue is whether they should / could be +wrapped up into a nice user interface that would help picking up the +suggestions made in this thread. +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002558.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2556">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2556">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2556">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2556">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002557.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002557.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9a98f1253 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002557.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC2A1A3.7080905%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002555.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002563.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC2A1A3.7080905%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 10:49:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>The structure of packages as they are offered in the installer tries +somehow to address this issue. The affiliation of packages to groups and +sub-groups has been changed serveral times - an evident indication that +the need to change has already been perceived. + +The problem with the existing concept is that it is part of the +installer and is not flexible enough, and that the primary criterium for +attributing packages to a group appears to be a "how to sort" question - +not the question how to make things easy for a user with a given profile +whose background is not that of a "package-picker". + +I think that the non-package-picker issue is important. All who +participate in this discussion have a long trained Linux mentality and +just relish having tens of different approaches to select from. Talking +about hooking new users means talking to people who have a different +education (I agree, they are doomed to end up being Linux-minded - but +at the moment they discover Linux they are not). That indicates: +approaches like lists of proposed programs are only second-best. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2557">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2557">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2557">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2557">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002558.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002558.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f69ce907b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002558.html @@ -0,0 +1,138 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9u9if%24eff%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002556.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002559.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9u9if%24eff%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 11:23:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2558">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2558">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2558">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2558">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-23 01:16, Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> On 22 October 2010 22:57, Juergen Harms<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> There is a secondary issue tied to the questions discussed in this thread: +</I>>><i> is it good strategy to do all package selection quite early during system +</I>>><i> generation? At present, package selection looks to me as an integral part of +</I>>><i> the system generation process, "burned" onto the installation media. Must +</I>>><i> that be so? has this question already been discussed? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Naively, I see an alternative: cut package selection into 2 parts: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (1) have system installation start by configuring a minimum set of packages, +</I>>><i> those that are strictly necessary to obtain a running system for the +</I>>><i> hardware and the desktop environment auto-detected / user-selected. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (2) install additional packages that customise the system to the profile +</I>>><i> desired by the user only at the end of system generation - that could even +</I>>><i> be delayed to the time the system does its first bootstrap (that could still +</I>>><i> be done in a way that is transparent to users who want an out-of-the-box +</I>>><i> installation). +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> With the current installer you can select "customize" (instead of +</I>><i> selecting KDE or GNOME) and uncheck all the options there when you +</I>><i> click next the installer will even give you options to: +</I>><i> - install/not-install X +</I>><i> - install/not-install suggested packages +</I>><i> - go with a really minimal system and not install even urpmi +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, either it's a new user, he can select KDE or GNOME; or it's an +</I>><i> advanced/experienced user, he can deselect all the packages he wants, +</I>><i> and go with a very minimal system to begin with and then add the bits +</I>><i> and pieces he wants. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> [...] +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I> +BTW , this has already been taken up in previous threads and members +have come up with the same ideas. Some have suggested more windowing +choices or tailored installations in software just as you are +suggesting. The marketing team will also be looking into it as well and +your comments on this are important. + +Some members, have suggested tailoring the "Customize" section where +there are already "Games", "Mail" "Server" etc categories by added more + such as (we have made a quick collection of these suggested in posts): + + * Gaming + * Education + o home + o teacher + o academic + * Music + * Video (+ Tv/online streaming) + * Audio/Video editing + * Graphics + * Office + * Visually impaired users (Braille (brltty), speech output (orca +etc.), magnification) + * Full server + o Business + o Education + o Development + * Home mini-server + o Document + o Graphics + o Music + o Communications (telephony) + +So far these are the suggestions that we have collected on the threads. +We could certainly add more if you think more should exist. Please +remember that these are only being collected at this point for possible +suggestions later. + +Marc +Marketing Team Member + + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2558">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2558">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2558">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2558">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002559.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002559.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8b65e5103 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002559.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D3E6cU20Y7cSB-5iSjwzA1X4TB8wZEDJjRqEq7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002558.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002566.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D3E6cU20Y7cSB-5iSjwzA1X4TB8wZEDJjRqEq7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 11:34:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002558.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2559">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2559">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2559">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2559">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/23 Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> Some members, have suggested tailoring the "Customize" section where there +</I>><i> are already "Games", "Mail" "Server" etc categories by added more  such as +</I>><i> (we have made a quick collection of these suggested in posts): +</I>><i> +</I>><i>    * Gaming +</I>><i>    * Education +</I>><i>          o home +</I>><i>          o teacher +</I>><i>          o academic +</I>><i>    * Music +</I>><i>    * Video (+ Tv/online streaming) +</I>><i>    * Audio/Video editing +</I>><i>    * Graphics +</I>><i>    * Office +</I>><i>    * Visually impaired users (Braille (brltty), speech output (orca etc.), +</I>><i> magnification) +</I>><i>    * Full server +</I>><i>          o Business +</I>><i>          o Education +</I>><i>          o Development +</I>><i>    * Home mini-server +</I>><i>          o Document +</I>><i>          o Graphics +</I>><i>          o Music +</I>><i>          o Communications (telephony) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So far these are the suggestions that we have collected on the threads. We +</I>><i> could certainly add more if you think more should exist. Please remember +</I>><i> that these are only being collected at this point for possible suggestions +</I>><i> later. +</I> +And a "normal" or better: "average" user at home will need parts of +all these (may be without the Business, Development & Education and +hopefully without the "impaired" sections). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002558.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2559">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2559">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2559">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2559">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002560.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002560.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..049f8dafa --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002560.html @@ -0,0 +1,64 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC2B160.5080203%40unige.ch%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002566.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002561.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Juergen Harms</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC2B160.5080203%40unige.ch%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 11:56:48 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Yes, and sorry, I used far too many words to ruminate on the question: +are there technical means to improve what, fundamentally, exists already +and make it more appropriate to the needs that have been distilled in +this discussion. Thanks for including this issue in your list. +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2560">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2560">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2560">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2560">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002561.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002561.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..11c1eadae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002561.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231159.10741.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002560.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002562.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231159.10741.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 11:59:10 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2561">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2561">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2561">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2561">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Cathegories are good. + +One thing to note is that some programs may be visual in several cathegories. +Like OOo draw may be linked in both Office and Graphics + (MSOffice users dont know OOo can draw) +And gcompri in both games and education + (very few know gcompri at all, but my 4 year old son think it is both) + + +What i have seen as an obstacle for new users, is to get going with +post-install. + +People are so very grown into the idea that they have to surf the net, +download manually, double click the file (... and then often not have a clue +how to get rid of it later...) + + +I think a icon "How to manage programs" on the desktop to a html page would be +good. + +(And also one about how to connect to internet) + +(both should be a local file in case internet is not up, but with a well +visible link which the user is suggested to choose; a link to a mageia wiki +page as we try to keep the wiki updated, and he can surf the wiki for more) + +There it first briefly explains the idea of repositories. +What each contain. (and Link to how to add extra.) +How to start drakrpm and use it. +About the automatic and manual updating. +And (because drakrpm displays the question) explanations of orphan packages. + + And a link to advanced sections: +about dependencies +about meta tasks +about dkms + + I suggest also to talk about migration methods: +Import fonts +About *Office files +Browser links +How to use mail program to import from a windows mail program, + ( or alternative technique such as upload using ISPs IMAP, whatever) +Maybe talk about useable sharing services on the net, like: DropBox, Evernote, +Operas Unite and shared links, etc + + +...And of course we should have a desktop icon taking the user to main Mageia +site and there link to wiki and forum :) + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2561">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2561">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2561">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2561">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002562.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002562.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b71cf8049 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002562.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinteGFXjizUiO3GrGrQ0xOX5sOzYWZ4difTWj76%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002561.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002567.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinteGFXjizUiO3GrGrQ0xOX5sOzYWZ4difTWj76%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 12:51:39 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2562">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2562">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2562">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2562">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/23 Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>>: +><i> Cathegories are good. +</I> +Yes and no. + +For the purposes introduced in this thread categories are good, no doubt. + +But what about the average home computer for a user who wants to do +all the internet tasks, some image editing, some vector graphics, some +office work (text, calculations), some communication (video chat), +listening to music, watching videos, etc. plus serving all the data to +his wife's Windows machine and plus playing the occasional game? This +is the average package selection in most home computers - i've never +seen a home computer which matches one single category, it's more +likely a mix of apps from all categories. +As these tasks are spread all over the categories the user will have +to install all categories (including all the stuff he does not +want/need) just to have those few apps he needs. Or he is back to +individual package selection which is fine for the advanced user but +which we want to avoid for the new/inexperienced user. +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2562">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2562">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2562">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2562">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002563.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002563.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b98de5af7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002563.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimSFZFxSY6V8TZCiCN7w%2Bg8aU9H%3DnL%2B35SSi-q7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002557.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002564.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimSFZFxSY6V8TZCiCN7w%2Bg8aU9H%3DnL%2B35SSi-q7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 13:20:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002564.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2563">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2563">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2563">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2563">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 23 October 2010 10:12, Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>> wrote: +><i> Den 2010-10-23 07:16:51 skrev Ahmad Samir: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> With the current installer you can select "customize" (instead of +</I>>><i> selecting KDE or GNOME) and uncheck all the options there when you +</I>>><i> click next the installer will even give you options to: +</I>>><i> - install/not-install X +</I>>><i> - install/not-install suggested packages +</I>>><i> - go with a really minimal system and not install even urpmi +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, either it's a new user, he can select KDE or GNOME; or it's an +</I>>><i> advanced/experienced user, he can deselect all the packages he wants, +</I>>><i> and go with a very minimal system to begin with and then add the bits +</I>>><i> and pieces he wants. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It is good so far. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> (And maybe we could add LXDE or other light environment as option like KDE and +</I>><i> GNOME for a noob that want to try put life in his old computer but is scared +</I>><i> off from customised mode) +</I>><i> +</I> +LXDE, as the default lightweight fallback DE, is installed by default +if you select KDE or GNOME :) + +But if you want LXDE to be next to KDE and GNOME, then XFCE should +also be added... but that would be a bit cluttered, IMHO. + +><i> But maybe there should be less packages included in the 2 or 3 complete +</I>><i> desktop alternatives, and instead after first desktop bootup open some noob +</I>><i> friendly program chooser/installer in accordance with Juergens part 2) above? +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, you see, for a new user, in the first days, he probably doesn't +yet know what is what, so he's grateful to find stuff just work, (a +good text editor: kwrite, a terminal emulator: konsole, a familiar web +browser: firefox... etc). It'll take him me some time before he starts +to need to customise the system. + +><i> But, it IS convenient for most users to have at least Firefox by default, and +</I>><i> this and that.. have to put the limit somewhere.  Maybe the user should +</I>><i> choose office suite afterwards, email program, another browser, and be +</I>><i> presented simple methods to select CD burnig, music player, video editing, +</I>><i> gaming etc. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But, that raises next question: should Mageia propose a short list of programs +</I>><i> we propose, and how should thoose be chosen?  Then maybe user thinks, oh is +</I>><i> there so few program and not this progam X that I like, although Mageia do +</I>><i> have it, but he need to use the full installer to see them... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Need to be crafted so it without clutter give noobs a clear wiew, but at the +</I>><i> same time encourages and makes possible to use the whole repos when he knows +</I>><i> what he is after. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe just simply add a "proposed programs" section to drakrpm, and make it +</I>><i> open it by default, and make drakrpm start upon desktop boot until user cliks +</I>><i> a box to have it not to.  So the user get the best served in his face, +</I>><i> without limiting his choices, nor he need to know yet another app, and we +</I>><i> need not do much development for it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, it should configure normal repos automatically, and it should be more +</I>><i> noob friendly to add, with exlanations, and a button from drakrpm dialog. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yes, but I see "proposed" == rpm suggests; I don't see a new user +being able to make such decisions before he familiarises himself with +the system, only then can he start uninstalling what he thinks he +doesn't need. + +Bug reports / suggestions to change default apps were usually +considered carefully and default apps do change if that bug report / +suggestion is reasonable.... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002564.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2563">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2563">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2563">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2563">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002564.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002564.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d467ba42d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002564.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikxMyKvRpc5fLnfEPW%2B%3D%3DL9R3fZg5ST5BnN9MjX%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002563.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002565.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikxMyKvRpc5fLnfEPW%2B%3D%3DL9R3fZg5ST5BnN9MjX%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 13:37:57 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/23 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> LXDE, as the default lightweight fallback DE, is installed by default +</I>><i> if you select KDE or GNOME :) +</I> +Oh, really? This is news for me. I thought by now I knew what is +installed on my machine.... + +><i> Well, you see, for a new user, in the first days, he probably doesn't +</I>><i> yet know what is what, so he's grateful to find stuff just work, (a +</I>><i> good text editor: kwrite, a terminal emulator: konsole, a familiar web +</I>><i> browser: firefox... etc). It'll take him me some time before he starts +</I>><i> to need to customise the system. +</I> +That's what I meant with the average profile which is not only found +on newbie machines but on most home computers, even with experienced +users. The machine which is dedicated for one category only is very +rare in home environments. In most cases a dedicated machine is a file +or print server or a multimedia box in the living room (which is a +totally different case). + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002565.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002565.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..491f913a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002565.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231348.56014.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002564.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002556.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231348.56014.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 13:48:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002564.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2565">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2565">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2565">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2565">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Den 2010-10-23 13:20:52 Ahmad Samir wrote: + +><i> LXDE, as the default lightweight fallback DE, is installed by default +</I>><i> if you select KDE or GNOME :) +</I> +Oh, OK, i use to select it manually, good to always have a backup GUI + +But i was thinking on the case the user have an old box. + +><i> But if you want LXDE to be next to KDE and GNOME, then XFCE should +</I>><i> also be added... but that would be a bit cluttered, IMHO. +</I> +Well, if the user is so advanced that he knows *which* leightweight desktop he +likes, then he could select the advanced option. + + +But I think we should have one easy one-click install option for less capeable +computers. +Low requirements for both CPU, RAM, disk, and graphics. +Have ONE option named something like "lightweight install for elder computers" +and small text mentioning what DE it use, what browser, no *office, but it +can easily be changed after install, or use the advanced option instead. + + +><i> Well, you see, for a new user, in the first days, he probably doesn't +</I>><i> yet know what is what, so he's grateful to find stuff just work, (a +</I>><i> good text editor: kwrite, a terminal emulator: konsole, a familiar web +</I>><i> browser: firefox... etc). It'll take him me some time before he starts +</I>><i> to need to customise the system. +</I> +That is very true. + +But we should not forget that there exist a lot of such newcomers who also +have machines that do not work very good with a heavy GUI. + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002564.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2565">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2565">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2565">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2565">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002566.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002566.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..57b2a522c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002566.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9unjr%24v3n%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002559.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002560.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9unjr%24v3n%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 15:23:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2566">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2566">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2566">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2566">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-23 05:34, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/23 Marc Paré<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Some members, have suggested tailoring the "Customize" section where there +</I>>><i> are already "Games", "Mail" "Server" etc categories by added more such as +</I>>><i> (we have made a quick collection of these suggested in posts): +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> * Gaming +</I>>><i> * Education +</I>>><i> o home +</I>>><i> o teacher +</I>>><i> o academic +</I>>><i> * Music +</I>>><i> * Video (+ Tv/online streaming) +</I>>><i> * Audio/Video editing +</I>>><i> * Graphics +</I>>><i> * Office +</I>>><i> * Visually impaired users (Braille (brltty), speech output (orca etc.), +</I>>><i> magnification) +</I>>><i> * Full server +</I>>><i> o Business +</I>>><i> o Education +</I>>><i> o Development +</I>>><i> * Home mini-server +</I>>><i> o Document +</I>>><i> o Graphics +</I>>><i> o Music +</I>>><i> o Communications (telephony) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So far these are the suggestions that we have collected on the threads. We +</I>>><i> could certainly add more if you think more should exist. Please remember +</I>>><i> that these are only being collected at this point for possible suggestions +</I>>><i> later. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And a "normal" or better: "average" user at home will need parts of +</I>><i> all these (may be without the Business, Development& Education and +</I>><i> hopefully without the "impaired" sections). +</I>><i> +</I> +Thanks for the note Wobo. + +Yup, if it were adopted, then I would hope that you could theoretically +tag more than one option as we do already. + +Marc + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2566">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2566">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2566">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2566">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002567.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002567.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..176a0c35b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002567.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9unq8%24v3n%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002562.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002568.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Ci9unq8%24v3n%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 15:26:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2567">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2567">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2567">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2567">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-23 06:51, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/23 Morgan Leijström<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>>: +</I>>><i> Cathegories are good. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes and no. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> For the purposes introduced in this thread categories are good, no doubt. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But what about the average home computer for a user who wants to do +</I>><i> all the internet tasks, some image editing, some vector graphics, some +</I>><i> office work (text, calculations), some communication (video chat), +</I>><i> listening to music, watching videos, etc. plus serving all the data to +</I>><i> his wife's Windows machine and plus playing the occasional game? This +</I>><i> is the average package selection in most home computers - i've never +</I>><i> seen a home computer which matches one single category, it's more +</I>><i> likely a mix of apps from all categories. +</I>><i> As these tasks are spread all over the categories the user will have +</I>><i> to install all categories (including all the stuff he does not +</I>><i> want/need) just to have those few apps he needs. Or he is back to +</I>><i> individual package selection which is fine for the advanced user but +</I>><i> which we want to avoid for the new/inexperienced user. +</I>><i> +</I> +Hi Wobo: + +I don't think this would be the intent of these categories, there would +of course be cross-category software but the user could certainly tag +more than one category than another. + +There could even be some kind of information bubble for each category +detailing the type of software assigned to it. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2567">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2567">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2567">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2567">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002568.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002568.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..df71cdd66 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002568.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimKA1WfPZY3ggh9a6bkWsaAcPMNvmzDP8cu7fha%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I probably need a +nap. + +Gmane is also having a few hiccups this morning. It also just had a nap! +Lucky! It's back on now. + +Cheers + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2569">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2569">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2569">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2569">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002570.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002570.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c18c6d3d4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002570.html @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC2FB61.4040009%40WayneSallee.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002569.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002571.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wayne Sallee</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC2FB61.4040009%40WayneSallee.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Wayne at WayneSallee.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 17:12:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002569.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2570">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2570">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2570">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2570">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I think that everyone with a decent computer, should install both Gnome, +and KDE. + +Wayne Sallee +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002569.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2570">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2570">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2570">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2570">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002571.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002571.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cba9ffbbd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002571.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231739.12381.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002570.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002572.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231739.12381.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 17:39:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2571">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2571">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2571">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2571">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wayne Sallee <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-23 +><i> I think that everyone with a decent computer, should install both Gnome, +</I>><i> and KDE. +</I>Why? + +I normally don't need more then one DE on my system. I do install applications +from both DEs (kmail, korganizer,... from KDE, pidgin, gimp,... from GNOME) +but why should I install more than that? + +Oliver +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2571">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2571">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2571">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2571">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002572.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002572.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c217721c1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002572.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC30477.2060504%40WayneSallee.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002571.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002573.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wayne Sallee</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC30477.2060504%40WayneSallee.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">Wayne at WayneSallee.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 17:51:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2572">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2572">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2572">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2572">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Oliver Burger wrote on 10/23/2010 11:39 AM: +><i> Wayne Sallee<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-23 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I think that everyone with a decent computer, should install both Gnome, +</I>>><i> and KDE. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Why? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I normally don't need more then one DE on my system. I do install applications +</I>><i> from both DEs (kmail, korganizer,... from KDE, pidgin, gimp,... from GNOME) +</I>><i> but why should I install more than that? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>It gives a second desktop to fall back on, and guarantees all +dependencies for KDE or GNOME aps, provides a fall back method to adjust +setting such as font and such for desktop aps used in the other desktop, +and gives the newbe the ease of switching to the other desktop until +they decide which one they like. And installing both desktops is an easy +way to install all standard aps for both desktops, and that new standard +apps for the unused desktop is installed with desktop updates, so that +it's there if you need it. Just like I like to have several internet +browsers even though I rarely use the others. If one is giving you +trouble, you can try the other. + +Wayne Sallee +<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2572">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2572">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2572">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2572">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002573.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002573.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b795619eb --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002573.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk1c4n1pct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002572.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002577.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk1c4n1pct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 17:54:14 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2573">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2573">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2573">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2573">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:51:19 +0800, Wayne Sallee +<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>>寫道: +><i> It gives a second desktop to fall back on, and guarantees all +</I>><i> dependencies for KDE or GNOME aps, provides a fall back method to adjust +</I>><i> setting such as font and such for desktop aps used in the other desktop, +</I>><i> and gives the newbe the ease of switching to the other desktop until +</I>><i> they decide which one they like. And installing both desktops is an easy +</I>><i> way to install all standard aps for both desktops, and that new standard +</I>><i> apps for the unused desktop is installed with desktop updates, so that +</I>><i> it's there if you need it. Just like I like to have several internet +</I>><i> browsers even though I rarely use the others. If one is giving you +</I>><i> trouble, you can try the other. +</I>For fallback purpose, then you should get a light-weighted, but full +feature + +DE, which is not GNOME/KDE's strength. Currently in FREE version, the +fallback + +DE is LXDE, which does its job right and is really useful. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2573">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2573">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2573">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2573">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002574.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002574.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d9a51a1e4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002574.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231307.56914.renaud%40olgiati-in-paraguay.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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And often the description is of +the form: defoliant_2.35.rpm. Install this if you need a defoliant. When +I see descriptions like this my first impulse is to wonder, Why did you +even bother? Complete descriptions of what each app does, including +explaining under what circumstances the user might or might not need it, +would go a long way towards making noobies feel less lost. Some apps do +an admirable job of explanation. Many don't. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002576.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2575">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2575">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2575">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2575">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002576.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002576.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9de7f2c20 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002576.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231839.33632.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002574.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002575.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Oliver Burger</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231839.33632.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 18:39:33 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2576">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2576">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2576">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2576">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wayne Sallee <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> schrieb am 2010-10-23 +><i> It gives a second desktop to fall back on, +</I>This is, why LXDE is installed as a fallback! + +><i> and guarantees all +</I>><i> dependencies for KDE or GNOME aps, +</I>This is, why we use a package management which does resolve the dependencies +on its own. + +><i> and gives the newbe the ease of switching to the other desktop until +</I>><i> they decide which one they like. +</I>Please don't get me wrong. I have nothing against newbies. I'm doing my best +in helping them in the German Mandriva community forum. +But bloating a system unneccessarily is not a good idea. I don't think we +should focus on newbies alone. This way we will loose experienced users... + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2576">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2576">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2576">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2576">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002577.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002577.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ba4502af0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002577.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287850663.22938.10.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002573.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002578.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287850663.22938.10.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 18:17:43 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2577">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2577">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2577">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2577">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 23 octobre 2010 à 23:54 +0800, Kira a écrit : +><i> 在 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:51:19 +0800, Wayne Sallee +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> > It gives a second desktop to fall back on, and guarantees all +</I>><i> > dependencies for KDE or GNOME aps, provides a fall back method to adjust +</I>><i> > setting such as font and such for desktop aps used in the other desktop, +</I>><i> > and gives the newbe the ease of switching to the other desktop until +</I>><i> > they decide which one they like. And installing both desktops is an easy +</I>><i> > way to install all standard aps for both desktops, and that new standard +</I>><i> > apps for the unused desktop is installed with desktop updates, so that +</I>><i> > it's there if you need it. Just like I like to have several internet +</I>><i> > browsers even though I rarely use the others. If one is giving you +</I>><i> > trouble, you can try the other. +</I>><i> For fallback purpose, then you should get a light-weighted, but full +</I>><i> feature +</I>><i> +</I>><i> DE, which is not GNOME/KDE's strength. Currently in FREE version, the +</I>><i> fallback +</I>><i> +</I>><i> DE is LXDE, which does its job right and is really useful. +</I> +Excuse me, but in which case does people requires a fallback ? + +Should we install nginx along apache to offer a fallback ? Should we +install another distribution along mandriva, to get a fallback ? +I do not think so, so why would a DE be so different on that matter ? + +The only case I can see is when the regular DE is broke in the devel +version and this case do not really apply to users of stable release. + +And installing 2 ( or more ) DEs will : +- double the QA work +- increase the load on mirror in case of updates ( since every default +user will get gnome and kde update ) +- increase the installation time ( because you have more packages to +unpack ) +- likely increase the complexity of the menu ( unless we decide that kde +software do not appear in gnome and vice versa ), which is turn is bad +for most users, especially those that do not know the distribution +- will likely provides a bad user experience when it come to program +association ( ie, what will be started when I click on a text file, +gedit, kate ? ) + +So to me, this is not really worth the tradeoff. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2577">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2577">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2577">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2577">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002578.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002578.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e477b5966 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002578.html @@ -0,0 +1,78 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk1f6x0fct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002577.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002580.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk1f6x0fct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 19:00:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2578">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2578">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2578">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2578">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:17:43 +0800, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>寫道: +><i> Excuse me, but in which case does people requires a fallback ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Should we install nginx along apache to offer a fallback ? Should we +</I>><i> install another distribution along mandriva, to get a fallback ? +</I>><i> I do not think so, so why would a DE be so different on that matter ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The only case I can see is when the regular DE is broke in the devel +</I>><i> version and this case do not really apply to users of stable release. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And installing 2 ( or more ) DEs will : +</I>You get me wrong on this thing... + +Actually not the whole LXDE environment is installed, but only a desktop + +manager is installed. LXDE actually works on pure GTK, it's a just in case + +fallback, just like icewm. I'm not saying to install every computer with +complete + +LXDE environment, but a just fallback WM/Desktop environment. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2578">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2578">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2578">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2578">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002579.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002579.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3ab2b0b2f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002579.html @@ -0,0 +1,98 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010232057.43355.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002584.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002574.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>P. Christeas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010232057.43355.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">p_christ at hol.gr + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 19:57:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday 23 October 2010, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le samedi 23 octobre 2010 à 23:54 +0800, Kira a écrit : +</I>><i> > 在 Sat, 23 Oct 2010 23:51:19 +0800, Wayne Sallee +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> > > It gives a second desktop to fall back on, and guarantees all +</I>><i> > > dependencies for KDE or GNOME aps, provides a fall back method to +</I>><i> > > adjust setting such as font and such for desktop aps used in the other +</I>><i> > > desktop, and gives the newbe the ease of switching to the other +</I>><i> > > desktop until they decide which one they like. And installing both +</I>><i> > > desktops is an easy way to install all standard aps for both desktops, +</I>><i> > > and that new standard apps for the unused desktop is installed with +</I>><i> > > desktop updates, so that it's there if you need it. Just like I like +</I>><i> > > to have several internet browsers even though I rarely use the others. +</I>><i> > > If one is giving you trouble, you can try the other. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > For fallback purpose, then you should get a light-weighted, but full +</I>><i> > feature +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > DE, which is not GNOME/KDE's strength. Currently in FREE version, the +</I>><i> > fallback +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > DE is LXDE, which does its job right and is really useful. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Excuse me, but in which case does people requires a fallback ? +</I> +I can give you a case: +<flamebait> +if we start using GUI-only solutions for administering the system (see +network-manager, system-config-printer etc), then you will *have to* fallback +to any DE just to be able to repair some bad system. +If, on the other hand, we keep using the Unix/Linux (rather than Windoze) +approach of easily editable text configs and cmdline tools, then a fallback is +indeed useless. +</flamebait> + +-- +Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows! +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2579">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2579">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2579">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2579">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002580.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002580.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4f8511f66 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002580.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287854602.22938.11.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002578.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002581.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287854602.22938.11.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 19:23:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2580">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2580">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2580">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2580">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le dimanche 24 octobre 2010 à 01:00 +0800, Kira a écrit : +><i> 在 Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:17:43 +0800, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> > Excuse me, but in which case does people requires a fallback ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Should we install nginx along apache to offer a fallback ? Should we +</I>><i> > install another distribution along mandriva, to get a fallback ? +</I>><i> > I do not think so, so why would a DE be so different on that matter ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > The only case I can see is when the regular DE is broke in the devel +</I>><i> > version and this case do not really apply to users of stable release. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > And installing 2 ( or more ) DEs will : +</I>><i> You get me wrong on this thing... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Actually not the whole LXDE environment is installed, but only a desktop +</I>><i> manager is installed. LXDE actually works on pure GTK, it's a just in case +</I>><i> fallback, just like icewm. I'm not saying to install every computer with +</I>><i> complete LXDE environment, but a just fallback WM/Desktop environment. +</I> +that still doesn't really explain in what case a fallback should really +be needed. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2580">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2580">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2580">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2580">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002581.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002581.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..00052f250 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002581.html @@ -0,0 +1,66 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010232127.16603.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Another time i have messed the plasma +configurations and fortunately i could logged in with icewm. I have many +personal examples that i needed a light environment to repair my KDE session +so i think that a fallback DE (i prefer icewm) is always need to be +installed by default + + +-- +Dimitrios Glentadakis +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101023/084f6865/attachment.html> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2582">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2582">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2582">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2582">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002583.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002583.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f046ea0b2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002583.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231328.17890.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002582.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002584.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Thomas Spuhler</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010231328.17890.thomas%40btspuhler.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">thomas at btspuhler.com + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 22:28:17 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Saturday, October 23, 2010 12:48:05 pm Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote: +><i> 2010/10/23 Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Den 2010-10-23 19:23:22 skrev Michael Scherer: +</I>><i> > > that still doesn't really explain in what case a fallback should really +</I>><i> > > be needed. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I once fubar:ed my KDE settings +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I copied back a backup using LXDE. +</I>><i> > I could have used command line. +</I>><i> > But for some users command line is scary. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> it happens many times, eg i did an install in a netbook with gma500 graphic +</I>><i> card and i could only loggin in lxde. Another time i have messed the plasma +</I>><i> configurations and fortunately i could logged in with icewm. I have many +</I>><i> personal examples that i needed a light environment to repair my KDE +</I>><i> session so i think that a fallback DE (i prefer icewm) is always need to +</I>><i> be installed by default +</I> +I agree having a fallback. it is much easier to change any configuration in a +graphical enviroment and I had cases where KDE din't want to work anymore. +Fixing it in icewm was easier than on the command mode +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2583">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2583">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2583">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2583">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002584.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002584.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b0fdab3b4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/002584.html @@ -0,0 +1,90 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287867342.22938.78.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002583.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002579.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1287867342.22938.78.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Sat Oct 23 22:55:42 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2584">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2584">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2584">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2584">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le samedi 23 octobre 2010 à 21:48 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/23 Morgan Leijström <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Den 2010-10-23 19:23:22 skrev Michael Scherer: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > that still doesn't really explain in what case a fallback should really +</I>><i> > > be needed. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I once fubar:ed my KDE settings +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I copied back a backup using LXDE. +</I>><i> > I could have used command line. +</I>><i> > But for some users command line is scary. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> it happens many times, eg i did an install in a netbook with gma500 graphic +</I>><i> card and i could only loggin in lxde. Another time i have messed the plasma +</I>><i> configurations and fortunately i could logged in with icewm. I have many +</I>><i> personal examples that i needed a light environment to repair my KDE session +</I>><i> so i think that a fallback DE (i prefer icewm) is always need to be +</I>><i> installed by default +</I> +then wouldn't it be better to have a way for kde to work when being too +broken ( ie, a safe mode, like windows and firefox ) ? + +Because I doubt that people who are targeted by this feature of having a +2nd X session are also able to fix a kde session problem ( since the 3 +examples people gave to me were KDE related ). + +IE, if you know how to fix, tty can be enough, and if you don't know how +to fix, I doubt that running lxde may bring such a added value. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2584">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2584">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2584">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2584">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a4b4d80dd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101023/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,207 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 23 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>23 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 23 01:24:50 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 23 22:55:42 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 32<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002553.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable! +</A><A NAME="2553"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2559"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2562"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002564.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2564"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2568"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2571"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002576.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2576"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2579"> </A> +<I>P. 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2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 23 22:55:42 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 32<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01287789890- --> +<LI><A HREF="002553.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] One month later: Mageia’s home is almost habitable! +</A><A NAME="2553"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--0 01287811011- --> +<LI><A HREF="002554.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2554"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01287811011-01287821561- --> +<LI><A HREF="002555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2555"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287811011-01287821561-01287823779- --> +<LI><A HREF="002557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2557"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<!--2 01287811011-01287821561-01287832852- --> +<LI><A HREF="002563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2563"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287811011-01287821561-01287832852-01287833877- --> +<LI><A HREF="002564.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2564"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287821561-01287832852-01287834535- --> +<LI><A HREF="002565.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2565"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--1 01287811011-01287821896- --> +<LI><A HREF="002556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2556"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<!--1 01287811011-01287825804- --> +<LI><A HREF="002558.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2558"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01287811011-01287825804-01287826465- --> +<LI><A HREF="002559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2559"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287826465-01287840187- --> +<LI><A HREF="002566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2566"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01287811011-01287825804-01287827808- --> +<LI><A HREF="002560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2560"> </A> +<I>Juergen Harms +</I> + +<!--2 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950- --> +<LI><A HREF="002561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2561"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099- --> +<LI><A HREF="002562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2562"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392- --> +<LI><A HREF="002567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2567"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600- --> +<LI><A HREF="002568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2568"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814- --> +<LI><A HREF="002569.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2569"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814-01287846753- --> +<LI><A HREF="002570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2570"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814-01287846753-01287848352- --> +<LI><A HREF="002571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2571"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814-01287846753-01287848352-01287849079- --> +<LI><A HREF="002572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2572"> </A> +<I>Wayne Sallee +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814-01287846753-01287848352-01287849079-01287849254- --> +<LI><A HREF="002573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2573"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<!--3 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Christeas +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814-01287846753-01287848352-01287849079-01287850076- --> +<LI><A HREF="002574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2574"> </A> +<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287842814-01287846753-01287848352-01287849079-01287851973- --> +<LI><A HREF="002576.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2576"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<!--3 01287811011-01287825804-01287827950-01287831099-01287840392-01287841600-01287851820- --> +<LI><A HREF="002575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2575"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Sat Oct 23 22:55:42 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Oct 23 23:47:18 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |