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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+&gt;<i> Nothing against putting MS progs on the CD, but do not forget there are people
+</I>&gt;<i> out there who do not have Windows...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't have Windows, anyway. My intent is help winusers to try Mageia. Much
+distros, like Slackware, came with Win Applications to this end. Old versions of
+Conectiva and Red Hat, too.
+
+Think that a user wants to create a bootable Mageia pendrive to install the
+system in him netbook. What is more cheap? Instruct him to find and download a
+Windows application to make this task or say: &quot;You can use program xxx that is
+in wintools folder at installation disk?&quot;.
+
+Slackware, nowadays, came with Smart Boot Manager, a floppy disk boot manager to
+start computer from any drive, even it don't be recognized as bootable by BIOS
+and a lot of RawWrite to write it to a floppy. Of course we need not reach this
+point, but I think that installation / live disk must provide everything what
+user will nedd.
+
+Moreover, these applications are usually not very large.
+
+
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+ <I>Tue Oct 12 03:53:24 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Agree, but would be possible if we shipt an Windows EXE that, when executed,
+extract an Mageia Qemu image with Qemu already configurated and created a
+shortcut to run the OS inside this virtualization tool when clicked?
+
+I suggested Qemu because it's free, althought I know isn't the better. I
+remember that in early 2000s there was a distro called WinLinux that ran inside
+Windows, like a program.
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinLinux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinLinux</A>
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+<PRE>Another idea triggered by watching the discussions on Mageia-discuss -
+immediately triggered by &quot;Install Mageia from Windows&quot;, but also by the
+observation that Mageia-discuss&quot; is a very noisy mixture of highly
+specialised discussions and general considerations (a similar reflection
+may also pertain to high-level forums).
+
+My suggestion addresses topics that pop up from an original observation,
+have several +1 comments, and then trigger a discussion on details +
+require work to be done; but only sum few involved people participate in
+this follow-up (&quot;noise&quot; for most everybody else). I do not think that
+such a working party is a good general concept for &quot;noise-reduction&quot; in
+discussion list or a forum - but I think that it may be a valuable
+concept once such a discussion involves work and requires some people to
+roll up their shirt sleeves in a somewhat organised way.
+
+I think that the &quot;Install Mageia from Windows&quot; issue is a typical
+example for what could be very efficiently dealt with by a small ad-hoc
+working party - some few people who elaborate the issue in a -
+temporarily private - discussion, but than bring the results (or reason
+why there are no results) back to the list (the forum). That would be in
+complement to the Mageia teams - which address a far broader list of
+tasks (Install Mageia from Windows also illustrates that such a topic
+might cross the border of Mageia teams - some added value to the idea of
+a working party). And, I think, working this way may be fun.
+
+Some embroidery around how such working parties might work:
+- their principal aim should be to work out concepts / proposals that
+improve the end-user value of Mageia;
+- their work should be complementary to what the established Mageia
+structures do (Mageia teams, the cooker-follow-up, etc);
+- they should be self-organised (off-load work from the established
+structures; in one extreme using a private mailing list for
+communication, in the other extreme use a temporarily maintained sub-forum)
+- they should work under the umbrella of Mageia (the work should in
+relation to topics raised in Mageia mailing lists and forums, Mageia
+should be kept informed; Mageia might formulate some general guidelines
+to be respected in order to accept the working party under the label of
+Mageia).
+
+The immediate answer to my suggestion will probably be &quot;why dont you?&quot;:
+I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about Windows and migration from
+windows.
+
+Maybe I am proposing a solution for a once-only problem - than throw it
+away. But I think there are other topics where such working parties
+could generate profitable (to Mageia) results, maybe even ideas for
+topics might be triggered once the concept exists.
+
+I think that this is something where a &quot;community distro&quot; has some trump
+cards to play.
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:17, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+That's an excellent point that indeed, complements teams, for
+cross-displinary works and experiments.
+
+&gt;<i> Some embroidery around how such working parties might work:
+</I>&gt;<i> - their principal aim should be to work out concepts / proposals that
+</I>&gt;<i> improve the end-user value of Mageia;
+</I>&gt;<i> - their work should be complementary to what the established Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> structures do (Mageia teams, the cooker-follow-up, etc);
+</I>&gt;<i> - they should be self-organised (off-load work from the established
+</I>&gt;<i> structures; in one extreme using a private mailing list for communication,
+</I>&gt;<i> in the other extreme use a temporarily maintained sub-forum)
+</I>&gt;<i> - they should work under the umbrella of Mageia (the work should in relation
+</I>&gt;<i> to topics raised in Mageia mailing lists and forums, Mageia should be kept
+</I>&gt;<i> informed; Mageia might formulate some general guidelines to be respected in
+</I>&gt;<i> order to accept the working party under the label of Mageia).
+</I>
+So that would be coordinated by/reported to the Mageia Council then.
+
+There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+of practice.
+
+Would be good/obvious for Mageia.org to provide tools for that, but
+indeed, letting these groups experiment with unused, outside tools is
+a good opportunity as well.
+
+As for the &quot;Install from Windows&quot; thing, that could be a start, but
+(these are general points anyway):
+ - before, or while building this work group, you have to assess the
+value of having an Linux installer from Windows; that is, goal is not
+to make a &quot;me too&quot; installer; goal is to understand why/if there needs
+to be a Linux installer from Windows in the first place and if there
+is a user-benefit of having one on the large scale and in the user
+flow (that is, as several pointed out in the thread, isn't this more
+like a &quot;fast&quot; answer to a problem that has not been thought deeply
+enough?) =&gt; in short, what problem does this solve? is it really the
+problem? is it really a good solution?
+ - for instance, is it to fully replace the system? dual boot? user to
+decide? will the user be properly reassured about the process, her
+data and really understand what is going to happen?
+ - note that this is not to discourage, it's to test the idea;
+moreover, there can be other benefits from working on a Windows-based
+Linux installer (if ever): knowledge, inter-systems operatins, doc,
+skills;
+ - volunteers should spec this (a short one will do), what they expect
+to demonstrate as a proof-of-concept (working program, user flow
+project), build the work group (for instance here, will likely need a
+Windows system developer at least), focus and then go ahead.
+
+
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-12 04:54, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:17, Juergen Harms&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's an excellent point that indeed, complements teams, for
+</I>&gt;<i> cross-displinary works and experiments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some embroidery around how such working parties might work:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - their principal aim should be to work out concepts / proposals that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improve the end-user value of Mageia;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - their work should be complementary to what the established Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> structures do (Mageia teams, the cooker-follow-up, etc);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - they should be self-organised (off-load work from the established
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> structures; in one extreme using a private mailing list for communication,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the other extreme use a temporarily maintained sub-forum)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - they should work under the umbrella of Mageia (the work should in relation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to topics raised in Mageia mailing lists and forums, Mageia should be kept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> informed; Mageia might formulate some general guidelines to be respected in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> order to accept the working party under the label of Mageia).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that would be coordinated by/reported to the Mageia Council then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be good/obvious for Mageia.org to provide tools for that, but
+</I>&gt;<i> indeed, letting these groups experiment with unused, outside tools is
+</I>&gt;<i> a good opportunity as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the &quot;Install from Windows&quot; thing, that could be a start, but
+</I>&gt;<i> (these are general points anyway):
+</I>&gt;<i> - before, or while building this work group, you have to assess the
+</I>&gt;<i> value of having an Linux installer from Windows; that is, goal is not
+</I>&gt;<i> to make a &quot;me too&quot; installer; goal is to understand why/if there needs
+</I>&gt;<i> to be a Linux installer from Windows in the first place and if there
+</I>&gt;<i> is a user-benefit of having one on the large scale and in the user
+</I>&gt;<i> flow (that is, as several pointed out in the thread, isn't this more
+</I>&gt;<i> like a &quot;fast&quot; answer to a problem that has not been thought deeply
+</I>&gt;<i> enough?) =&gt; in short, what problem does this solve? is it really the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem? is it really a good solution?
+</I>&gt;<i> - for instance, is it to fully replace the system? dual boot? user to
+</I>&gt;<i> decide? will the user be properly reassured about the process, her
+</I>&gt;<i> data and really understand what is going to happen?
+</I>&gt;<i> - note that this is not to discourage, it's to test the idea;
+</I>&gt;<i> moreover, there can be other benefits from working on a Windows-based
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux installer (if ever): knowledge, inter-systems operatins, doc,
+</I>&gt;<i> skills;
+</I>&gt;<i> - volunteers should spec this (a short one will do), what they expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to demonstrate as a proof-of-concept (working program, user flow
+</I>&gt;<i> project), build the work group (for instance here, will likely need a
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows system developer at least), focus and then go ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just in case you are not aware, there is a survey on the discuss list
+trying to collect this particular data. You may want to add your input
+to the survey. Look for the thread: &quot;[tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion -
+LibreOffice Install and Update&quot; where some users have already raised
+these points.
+
+Marc
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case you are not aware, there is a survey on the discuss list
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to collect this particular data. You may want to add your input
+</I>&gt;<i> to the survey. Look for the thread: &quot;[tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion -
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice Install and Update&quot; where some users have already raised
+</I>&gt;<i> these points.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops! Too early in the morning and haven't had my coffee. Sorry, there
+is no such survey for our group, it's a survey being done on the
+LibreOffice discuss list that is, coincidentally, talking about the same
+issues.
+
+Sorry about that. I am getting my coffee right now!
+
+Marc
+
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+&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>
+Sure - I did not want to drown the suggestion in too much
+administration-mindedenes. The minimum to require would probably be
+
+- to draft a very short summary on what the WP wants to achieve (some
+kind of terms of reference - if you have formulated what you want to do,
+you have prepared a solid base for the work),
+
+- to have a clearly defined figurehead (party-leader) who has the role
+of maintaining communication with the Council,
+
+- and maybe to fix a deadline for a first feedback to the Council on
+what is happening (to avoid having open-ended activities hanging around).
+
+As you say: iron out of practice - try one or 2 projects, learn from the
+experience and use that as the base for defining the rules of the game.
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+&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>
+The idea of ad-hoc work teams (&quot;Mageia Commandos&quot;) sounds good.
+
+Only one comment, though.
+
+I like more the &quot;show me the code&quot; approach:
+
+* someone has an idea
+* a group spontaneously forms and starts working on the idea, without rigid
+formal designation
+* when they start producing some result, then is the time to formally
+integrate the work group into Mageia's &quot;mainstream&quot;.
+
+
+My 2 cents
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea of ad-hoc work teams (&quot;Mageia Commandos&quot;) sounds good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only one comment, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like more the &quot;show me the code&quot; approach:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * someone has an idea
+</I>&gt;<i> * a group spontaneously forms and starts working on the idea, without rigid
+</I>&gt;<i> formal designation
+</I>&gt;<i> * when they start producing some result, then is the time to formally
+</I>&gt;<i> integrate the work group into Mageia's &quot;mainstream&quot;.
+</I>
+Of course, but that happens everywhere, at anytime anyway. There's
+nothing against that. And nothing specific to Mageia.
+
+Here, it's not being rigid, it's publishing/documenting the current
+work (that may take 1 night or 3 months to run): who does it, what
+ideas are in/out, what are the expected outcomes, unknowns, needs,
+what will need to be improved, etc.
+
+Note that it's not because a group completed something that it _will_
+fit into &quot;mainstream&quot;. It may as well come to a conclusion that it's
+just not a fit, or that it will be used in some other area or
+differently, or... anything. Anyway, there would be a track,
+documents, code, designs, drafts.
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-12 14:19:08 skrev Romain d'Alverny:
+&gt;<i> Anyway, there would be a track,
+</I>&gt;<i> documents, code, designs, drafts.
+</I>
+Yes
+
+Other see what is being and has been done, thus
+a) Avoiding double work
+b) Adapting other parts to fit/integrate
+c) Get ideas
+
+It should be searchable somehow
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+(...)
+&gt;<i> Here, it's not being rigid, it's publishing/documenting the current
+</I>&gt;<i> work (that may take 1 night or 3 months to run): who does it, what
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas are in/out, what are the expected outcomes, unknowns, needs,
+</I>&gt;<i> what will need to be improved, etc.
+</I>(...)
+
+Thanks for the clarification.
+
+
+Salut,
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+
+The Association of French-speaking Mandrivalinux users ( AUFML, Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux, <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> ) will have a booth at the Free Software Days ( JDLL, Journ&#233;es du Logiciel Libre, <A HREF="http://www.jdll.org">http://www.jdll.org</A> ), in Lyon, France, on October 14th, 15th and 16th.
+
+We chose to represent both Mandriva Linux and Mageia. However, you probably guess that most of us are more interested in Mageia, and we think that people there will also be interested in it. We hope to be able to talk about this project to many people and convince some of them to try Mageia's first release when it's ready, or better yet to contribute.
+
+We prepared some materials (in French) :
+ - colourful flyer with a quick explanation, FAQ's extracts, useful links, and some logos from the flick collection :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf</A>
+ - the text from mageia.org/fr :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages</A>).pdf
+ - bordeaux poster (wine's color, we're not far from Beaujolais :)) :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf</A>
+
+We'll try to report back after the event :)
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<LI><A HREF="002354.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002355.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002345.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002356.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia/AUFML at the Free Software Days in Lyon, France
+</A><A NAME="2356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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+ <i>Tue Oct 12 22:55:53 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+ <h1>12 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 12 03:43:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 12 22:55:53 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 12<p>
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+
+<!--0 01286847813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002345.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286848404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286848404-01286871479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002347.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002348.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286876500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002349.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286876500-01286877868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002350.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286882057- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002351.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286883630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002352.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286883630-01286885948- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002353.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286883630-01286885948-01286889917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002354.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286848404-01286871479-01286873677-01286883630-01286885948-01286905442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002355.html">[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="2355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286916953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002356.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia/AUFML at the Free Software Days in Lyon, France
+</A><A NAME="2356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Oct 12 22:55:53 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 12 22:55:29 CEST 2010</i>
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