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| author | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/0558247e/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/0558247e/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6301a44c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/0558247e/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div> +</div></div></blockquote><div>Where are the detailed error messages?</div><div><br></div><div>Everything else doesn't help.</div><div><br></div><div>Your posting is something for sysout class = Z</div><div><br></div><div> +Magnus</div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/0558247e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/0558247e/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6301a44c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/0558247e/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,4 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div> +</div></div></blockquote><div>Where are the detailed error messages?</div><div><br></div><div>Everything else doesn't help.</div><div><br></div><div>Your posting is something for sysout class = Z</div><div><br></div><div> +Magnus</div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2239f54a/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2239f54a/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf4d48448 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2239f54a/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hZVAACgkQqEs9DA4DquAKzACgr9bIgGuJHNX53Otp6yvGVl2S +QPYAmwbbDBl7KmP6a0GkoJXgRajNnaOM +=XquU +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2239f54a/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2239f54a/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf4d48448 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2239f54a/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hZVAACgkQqEs9DA4DquAKzACgr9bIgGuJHNX53Otp6yvGVl2S +QPYAmwbbDBl7KmP6a0GkoJXgRajNnaOM +=XquU +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/23377c85/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/23377c85/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..068551d46 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/23377c85/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div> + +</div></div></blockquote><div><br>My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br> + +<br>So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/23377c85/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/23377c85/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..068551d46 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/23377c85/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:47, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div> + +</div></div></blockquote><div><br>My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br> + +<br>So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2a232c31/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2a232c31/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..18404b377 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2a232c31/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:13, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan <<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>><br> +>> wrote:<br> +>> > Hi,<br> +>> ><br> +>> > just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux<br> +>> > 2.19+<br> +>> > planned?<br> +>><br> +>> not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is<br> +>> i think the perfect time<br> +><br> +> Cool, I can help with that!<br> +><br> +> What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with<br> +> Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to<br> +> util-linux and update the spec?<br> +<br> +</div></div>i would prefer a rename, that way we keep the history in the SVN<br> +</blockquote></div><br>On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br> + +<br>Also, I've disabled the loopAES patch which is hopelessly outdated and broken and only gets updated sometimes over past years. I think there are much better solutions now, and actually I think that we could drop it - but I did not wanted to take this decision without additional discussion.<br> + +<br>If we should keep it, it can be updated after a reasonable amount of work, but it will get broken again with a new util-linux release over and over again. So I'd vote for dropping it.<br clear="all"><br>But besides that, util-linux 2.19.1 is there now, I'll try importing it today (but with 3g connections it is hard to make promises)..<br> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2a232c31/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2a232c31/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..18404b377 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/2a232c31/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,30 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 12:13, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan <<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +>><br> +>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>><br> +>> wrote:<br> +>> > Hi,<br> +>> ><br> +>> > just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux<br> +>> > 2.19+<br> +>> > planned?<br> +>><br> +>> not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is<br> +>> i think the perfect time<br> +><br> +> Cool, I can help with that!<br> +><br> +> What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with<br> +> Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to<br> +> util-linux and update the spec?<br> +<br> +</div></div>i would prefer a rename, that way we keep the history in the SVN<br> +</blockquote></div><br>On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br> + +<br>Also, I've disabled the loopAES patch which is hopelessly outdated and broken and only gets updated sometimes over past years. I think there are much better solutions now, and actually I think that we could drop it - but I did not wanted to take this decision without additional discussion.<br> + +<br>If we should keep it, it can be updated after a reasonable amount of work, but it will get broken again with a new util-linux release over and over again. So I'd vote for dropping it.<br clear="all"><br>But besides that, util-linux 2.19.1 is there now, I'll try importing it today (but with 3g connections it is hard to make promises)..<br> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/35d6fac3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/35d6fac3/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..81581ee24 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/35d6fac3/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:09, Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + + +<div>Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net" target="_blank">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> writes:<br> +<br> +> On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br> +> package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> +> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br> +> mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br> +<br> +</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div> + +</div></blockquote><div><br>And now it is in cauldron, please let me know if it breaks something. <br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> + + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/35d6fac3/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/35d6fac3/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..81581ee24 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/35d6fac3/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,17 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:09, Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org" target="_blank">mageia@blino.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> + + +<div>Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net" target="_blank">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> writes:<br> +<br> +> On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br> +> package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> +> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br> +> mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br> +<br> +</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div> + +</div></blockquote><div><br>And now it is in cauldron, please let me know if it breaks something. <br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> + + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/43cd3f4d/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/43cd3f4d/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f8c13fd95 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/43cd3f4d/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hcVoACgkQqEs9DA4DquCkbQCfTj+BGADi0AR5pD6y54I5q20C ++XYAniiAzKgwTQN2UGsyCWK8NSMj+nlZ +=jBkB +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/43cd3f4d/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/43cd3f4d/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f8c13fd95 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/43cd3f4d/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hcVoACgkQqEs9DA4DquCkbQCfTj+BGADi0AR5pD6y54I5q20C ++XYAniiAzKgwTQN2UGsyCWK8NSMj+nlZ +=jBkB +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/45c2439f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/45c2439f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ca7955515 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/45c2439f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +Hi,<br><br>just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+ planned?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> + + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/45c2439f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/45c2439f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ca7955515 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/45c2439f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ +Hi,<br><br>just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+ planned?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> + + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/50dfc12c/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/50dfc12c/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7098216e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/50dfc12c/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hgMQACgkQqEs9DA4DquA2nQCgu/TaipUbt5WWNBTN63iQWek+ +IK0AnA+Wofmb4fUWAaSKYq61D+sBf60/ +=MbYm +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/50dfc12c/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/50dfc12c/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7098216e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/50dfc12c/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hgMQACgkQqEs9DA4DquA2nQCgu/TaipUbt5WWNBTN63iQWek+ +IK0AnA+Wofmb4fUWAaSKYq61D+sBf60/ +=MbYm +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..286ec9c1f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<br><br> +Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?<br> + +<br></blockquote><div>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<font color="#888888"><br> +R-C<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..286ec9c1f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/55b0f4f6/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,8 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<br><br> +Finally, when you upgrade a regular package (say, LibreOffice, which was recently updated) to a new version, it is extremely unlikely that you would update it to a Beta/RC one, even in Cauldron. Then why your standards are _lower_ when comes to the kernel -- the most important component of all?!?!?<br> + +<br></blockquote><div>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<font color="#888888"><br> +R-C<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/592fcfce/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/592fcfce/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7cfe9dce9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/592fcfce/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:58, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">> My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work<br> +> (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate<br> +<br> +> C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br> +><br> +> So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br> +<br> +<br> +</div>Eugeni, you must be lucky.<br> +<br> +At least, you don't have a bcm4311, I suppose.<br></blockquote><div><br>I have:<br><br>brcmsmac : Broadcom Corporation|BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [NETWORK_OTHER] (rev: 01)<br><br>which is probably different then.<br> + +</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/592fcfce/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/592fcfce/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7cfe9dce9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/592fcfce/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 07:58, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">> My acer laptops are having a completely different experience with it, they just work<br> +> (acer timelinex 4820, acer aspire one d450, acer travelmate T4100 and acer travelmate<br> +<br> +> C312XMi - yes, I have a nice acer collection with me :)).<br> +><br> +> So at least for me, kernel 3.0 is a huge win!<br> +<br> +<br> +</div>Eugeni, you must be lucky.<br> +<br> +At least, you don't have a bcm4311, I suppose.<br></blockquote><div><br>I have:<br><br>brcmsmac : Broadcom Corporation|BCM43225 802.11b/g/n [NETWORK_OTHER] (rev: 01)<br><br>which is probably different then.<br> + +</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/66e506cb/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/66e506cb/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..abbe3944e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/66e506cb/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely</span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">not.</span></blockquote><div>I cannot confirm, I'm offline</div><div>Â Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.</div> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +can anyone confirm?<br> +<br></blockquote><div>confirm</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888">magnus</font></div></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/66e506cb/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/66e506cb/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..abbe3944e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/66e506cb/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>></span><br><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely</span><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">not.</span></blockquote><div>I cannot confirm, I'm offline</div><div>Â Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.</div> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +can anyone confirm?<br> +<br></blockquote><div>confirm</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888">magnus</font></div></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/72959377/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/72959377/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b014c3be3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/72959377/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hhzsACgkQqEs9DA4DquDadwCdGeRnXUKz0IKKkueauCTAUKYT +lYwAniN+r8xcOuPaGwzggIJ3MS8B2sob +=p9FW +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/72959377/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/72959377/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b014c3be3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/72959377/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hhzsACgkQqEs9DA4DquDadwCdGeRnXUKz0IKKkueauCTAUKYT +lYwAniN+r8xcOuPaGwzggIJ3MS8B2sob +=p9FW +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/78d3a088/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/78d3a088/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..364235568 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/78d3a088/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:06, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are<br> +experiencing this:<br> +<br> +Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or<br> +Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time (<br> +just after boot up to 3 hours).<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I've seen that, but just to confirm - the system was running kde, right?<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> + + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/78d3a088/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/78d3a088/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..364235568 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/78d3a088/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:06, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +I thought I would post this because very likely some other user are<br> +experiencing this:<br> +<br> +Afte upgrading a guest system from mandriva 2010.2 or older to cooker or<br> +Mageia, the system becomes very unresponsive after a random period or time (<br> +just after boot up to 3 hours).<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, I've seen that, but just to confirm - the system was running kde, right?<br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> + + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/841ee3f6/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/841ee3f6/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7ec2bb064 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/841ee3f6/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 22:35, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So<br> +keeping grub 1 for a while doesn't make sense at all if this is related<br> +to file system.<br> +<br> +And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since<br> +September 2010.<br></blockquote><div><br>Perhaps a stupid question, but does it works with our gfxboot and drakboot? <br></div></div><br>(I haven't tested it yet, but pcpa was a bit reluctant with it when I asked some weeks ago).<br clear="all"> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/841ee3f6/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/841ee3f6/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7ec2bb064 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/841ee3f6/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 22:35, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +Grub 2 is also able to boot ext4 without trouble since several years. So<br> +keeping grub 1 for a while doesn't make sense at all if this is related<br> +to file system.<br> +<br> +And grub 2 also support reading grub 1 configuration file since<br> +September 2010.<br></blockquote><div><br>Perhaps a stupid question, but does it works with our gfxboot and drakboot? <br></div></div><br>(I haven't tested it yet, but pcpa was a bit reluctant with it when I asked some weeks ago).<br clear="all"> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/87a3e966/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/87a3e966/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..906eaea9d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/87a3e966/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:26, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br> +Hash: SHA256<br> +<br> +Hello,<br> +<br> +I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel<br> +(2.6.38.8-desktop). When I rebooted the system it hung when starting<br> +udev. I shut down the system after 1 minute.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you boot without the 'splash=silent' parameter to kernel, does it says where exactly it stops?<br><br>Also, it happens with the 3.0 kernel as well? <br> + +</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/87a3e966/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/87a3e966/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..906eaea9d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/87a3e966/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:26, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br> +Hash: SHA256<br> +<br> +Hello,<br> +<br> +I updated my system and it installed the latest kernel<br> +(2.6.38.8-desktop). When I rebooted the system it hung when starting<br> +udev. I shut down the system after 1 minute.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you boot without the 'splash=silent' parameter to kernel, does it says where exactly it stops?<br><br>Also, it happens with the 3.0 kernel as well? <br> + +</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d003769/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d003769/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6ef21d8bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d003769/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hjDQACgkQqEs9DA4DquB1yACfV29lcKRp8NKSeaHZXY4LAxWS +CtMAnRZ6XAtdNxuTzU+pzgxHlEJzEzZH +=sd+E +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d003769/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d003769/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6ef21d8bd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d003769/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hjDQACgkQqEs9DA4DquB1yACfV29lcKRp8NKSeaHZXY4LAxWS +CtMAnRZ6XAtdNxuTzU+pzgxHlEJzEzZH +=sd+E +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d5e6e74/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d5e6e74/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..64409007f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d5e6e74/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 17:05, Michael Altizer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xiche@verizon.net">xiche@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger<br> +<<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...<br> +<br> +Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely<br> +not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.<br> +can anyone confirm?<br> +<br> +If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,<br> +information would be needed?<br> +<br> +Oliver<br> +<br> +</blockquote> +see :<br> +<br> +<br> +<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1266</a><br> +<br> +</blockquote></div></div> +Yep, the workaround in the bug report fixes the issue.<br> +<br> +--- <a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tools.pm</a> 2011-07-16 16:03:19.729969872 -0400<br> ++++ /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/<a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tool<u></u>s.pm</a> 2011-07-16 16:00:55.702129467 -0400<br> +@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@<br> +<br> + sub get_routes() {<br> + my %routes;<br> +- foreach (cat_("/proc/net/route")) {<br> ++ foreach (sort {$b cmp $a} cat_("/proc/net/route")) {<br> + if (/^(\S+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)\s+([0-<u></u>9A-F]+)\s+[0-9A-F]+\s+\d+\s+\<u></u>d+\s+(\d+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)/) {<br> + if (defined $3) { $routes{$1}{gateway} = hex($3) ? host_hex_to_dotted($3) : $routes{$1}{network} }<br> + if (defined $2) { $routes{$1}{network} = host_hex_to_dotted($2) }<br> +</blockquote></div><br>/proc/net/routes is a bit strange with 3.0+ kernels, I think that this patch is probably the best way to handle it at the moment.<br><br>On a side note, Blino, is there a need to parse its content with a regexp? All values there are tab-separated, so perhaps this 'if' check could be much simplified with a split(), no?<br clear="all"> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d5e6e74/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d5e6e74/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..64409007f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/8d5e6e74/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,41 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 17:05, Michael Altizer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:xiche@verizon.net">xiche@verizon.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div><div></div><div class="h5">On 07/16/2011 03:53 PM, D.Morgan wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Oliver Burger<br> +<<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:<br> +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> +I just updated my system and am now running kernel-3.0...<br> +<br> +Now I notice, the net-applet shows, I am offline while I am definitely<br> +not. Trying to connect using draknet-center I get an error message.<br> +can anyone confirm?<br> +<br> +If yes, I'd post a bug report (against what?), Which outputs,<br> +information would be needed?<br> +<br> +Oliver<br> +<br> +</blockquote> +see :<br> +<br> +<br> +<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1266" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=1266</a><br> +<br> +</blockquote></div></div> +Yep, the workaround in the bug report fixes the issue.<br> +<br> +--- <a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tools.pm</a> 2011-07-16 16:03:19.729969872 -0400<br> ++++ /usr/lib/libDrakX/network/<a href="http://tools.pm" target="_blank">tool<u></u>s.pm</a> 2011-07-16 16:00:55.702129467 -0400<br> +@@ -263,7 +263,7 @@<br> +<br> + sub get_routes() {<br> + my %routes;<br> +- foreach (cat_("/proc/net/route")) {<br> ++ foreach (sort {$b cmp $a} cat_("/proc/net/route")) {<br> + if (/^(\S+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)\s+([0-<u></u>9A-F]+)\s+[0-9A-F]+\s+\d+\s+\<u></u>d+\s+(\d+)\s+([0-9A-F]+)/) {<br> + if (defined $3) { $routes{$1}{gateway} = hex($3) ? host_hex_to_dotted($3) : $routes{$1}{network} }<br> + if (defined $2) { $routes{$1}{network} = host_hex_to_dotted($2) }<br> +</blockquote></div><br>/proc/net/routes is a bit strange with 3.0+ kernels, I think that this patch is probably the best way to handle it at the moment.<br><br>On a side note, Blino, is there a need to parse its content with a regexp? All values there are tab-separated, so perhaps this 'if' check could be much simplified with a split(), no?<br clear="all"> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/90b705b3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/90b705b3/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3ae29f9f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/90b705b3/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but<br> +<br> +>at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron<br> +<br> +KDE is the main reason I'm using Cauldron.<br> +<br> +Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never "good/stable enough", so it _always_ makes sense<br> +to install all the RCs.<br> +<br> +(There are some DEs that are never "stable enough". Or, when they are really<br> +polished -- think KDE 3.5.10 or GNOME 2.32 --, there are some benevolent teams<br> +of dictators who decide to jump to an unstable boat -- thinl KDE 4.0.0, GNOME 3.0.)<br> +<br> +I've seen no betas here, only RCs (4.6.3 -> 4.6.4 -> 4.6.90 -> 4.6.95). Fair enough.<br> +<br></blockquote><div>Not in Mageia, yet... But Mandriva had e.g after 4.5.0 4.5.65, 4.5.67, 4.5.68. 4.5.71, 4.5.74 and so on - i.e. surely betas and IINM some alphas, too. So it surely is not so rare to have in development version as cooker/cauldron quite unstable versions.</div> +<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888"><br> +R-C<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/90b705b3/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/90b705b3/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3ae29f9f7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/90b705b3/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,19 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +>Well, LO is probably exception, AFAIK mostly due to its building troubles but<br> +<br> +>at least KDE has always had almost all alphas and betas and RCs in cooker/cauldron<br> +<br> +KDE is the main reason I'm using Cauldron.<br> +<br> +Since KDE 4.0.0, KDE is never "good/stable enough", so it _always_ makes sense<br> +to install all the RCs.<br> +<br> +(There are some DEs that are never "stable enough". Or, when they are really<br> +polished -- think KDE 3.5.10 or GNOME 2.32 --, there are some benevolent teams<br> +of dictators who decide to jump to an unstable boat -- thinl KDE 4.0.0, GNOME 3.0.)<br> +<br> +I've seen no betas here, only RCs (4.6.3 -> 4.6.4 -> 4.6.90 -> 4.6.95). Fair enough.<br> +<br></blockquote><div>Not in Mageia, yet... But Mandriva had e.g after 4.5.0 4.5.65, 4.5.67, 4.5.68. 4.5.71, 4.5.74 and so on - i.e. surely betas and IINM some alphas, too. So it surely is not so rare to have in development version as cooker/cauldron quite unstable versions.</div> +<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888"><br> +R-C<br> +</font></blockquote></div><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/931c64e1/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/931c64e1/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..72592bfed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/931c64e1/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> writes:<br> +<br> +> On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br> +> package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> +> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br> +> mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br> +<br> +</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div></div><br> + +-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/931c64e1/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/931c64e1/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..72592bfed --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/931c64e1/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,12 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 13:02, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> writes:<br> +<br> +> On further thinking, probably it would be to have it imported it as a new<br> +> package, mostly for 1 reason:<br> +> - If we rename util-linux-ng, it will break possible updates of it for<br> +> mageia1 (as it will be gone from svn)<br> +<br> +</div>Why that? It will still be available in the /updates/1/ SVN branch<br></blockquote><div><br>Hmm perhaps you are right and I am over-thinking this.<br><br>In any case, it is in svn now.<br clear="all"></div></div><br> + +-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/942bd5ac/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/942bd5ac/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0a67f482e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/942bd5ac/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<div class="im">yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.</div> +the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel.<br> +and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.<br> +<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div>On my machine there isnt't this problem.</div><div>The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4</div><div>all automatically, without editing.</div><div>Â </div><div> +so grub works normally.</div><div><br></div><div>magnus</div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/942bd5ac/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/942bd5ac/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0a67f482e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/942bd5ac/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,6 @@ +<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/16 Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> +<div class="im">yes, I can, but only because I've edited menu.lst _manually_.</div> +the new kernel added 2 grub entries, at the end, both pointing to the 3.0.0 kernel.<br> +and the default one (first one) also booted the 3.0.0 kernel.<br> +<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div>On my machine there isnt't this problem.</div><div>The last entry in the menu.lst points to 2.6.38.8-desktop-4</div><div>all automatically, without editing.</div><div>Â </div><div> +so grub works normally.</div><div><br></div><div>magnus</div></div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/a9ad3dec/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/a9ad3dec/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..32d32c8fd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/a9ad3dec/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4haLAACgkQqEs9DA4DquA82gCfU7rlPxwyBn338V3tv3nLnm5B +E20AoLEyxhjiak34M7GfadEXJhtIrNLd +=ZG7m +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/a9ad3dec/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/a9ad3dec/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..32d32c8fd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/a9ad3dec/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4haLAACgkQqEs9DA4DquA82gCfU7rlPxwyBn338V3tv3nLnm5B +E20AoLEyxhjiak34M7GfadEXJhtIrNLd +=ZG7m +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/ab7a0f73/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/ab7a0f73/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..951080ebf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/ab7a0f73/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Crazy, with connected lan I have no connection and I cannot switch to wifi.<div><br></div><div>Without connected lan, the applet shows "no connection" but it lies</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/ab7a0f73/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/ab7a0f73/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..951080ebf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/ab7a0f73/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +Crazy, with connected lan I have no connection and I cannot switch to wifi.<div><br></div><div>Without connected lan, the applet shows "no connection" but it lies</div> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/b697887f/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/b697887f/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d58f1246 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/b697887f/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:37, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">Michael Scherer <<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>> writes:<br> +<br> +> People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least<br> +> ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in<br> +> the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded<br> +> system either.<br> +<br> +</div>Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?<br> +How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?<br></blockquote><div><br>I think that it is not the case - if no specific systemd .service files are there, systemd will gladly execute initscripts init scripts.<br> + +<br>Of course, there are always ordering issues, unexpected systemd-specific behavior (like accessing /dev/ being treated as service activation or such), but nothing unfixable as far as I know.<br></div></div><br>-- <br> +Eugeni Dodonov<br> +<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/b697887f/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/b697887f/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3d58f1246 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/b697887f/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,15 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 11:37, Olivier Blin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">Michael Scherer <<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>> writes:<br> +<br> +> People on Fedora list were quite reluctant to changes ( to say the least<br> +> ), and I am pretty sure that someone will hit a unrelated corner case in<br> +> the last minute. Rtp was not really fond of systemd on arm and embedded<br> +> system either.<br> +<br> +</div>Do you have more details about the issues on arm/embedded?<br> +How could it be worse than forking our dozens of shell scripts?<br></blockquote><div><br>I think that it is not the case - if no specific systemd .service files are there, systemd will gladly execute initscripts init scripts.<br> + +<br>Of course, there are always ordering issues, unexpected systemd-specific behavior (like accessing /dev/ being treated as service activation or such), but nothing unfixable as far as I know.<br></div></div><br>-- <br> +Eugeni Dodonov<br> +<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/bb328f65/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/bb328f65/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1d354dcc6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/bb328f65/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hawoACgkQqEs9DA4DquCPzQCfVuflGNp3wSLE/TvHv1O99AJ/ +T3gAn3mJWW+4N5TzWQcIamn0OOFsLnm2 +=mwkf +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/bb328f65/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/bb328f65/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1d354dcc6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/bb328f65/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hawoACgkQqEs9DA4DquCPzQCfVuflGNp3wSLE/TvHv1O99AJ/ +T3gAn3mJWW+4N5TzWQcIamn0OOFsLnm2 +=mwkf +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/c90c524e/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/c90c524e/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..439283f9f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/c90c524e/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> Hi,<br> +><br> +> just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+<br> +> planned?<br> +<br> +</div>not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is<br> +i think the perfect time<br> +</blockquote></div><br>Cool, I can help with that!<br><br>What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to util-linux and update the spec?<br clear="all"> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/c90c524e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/c90c524e/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..439283f9f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/c90c524e/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 05:33, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +<div class="im">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Eugeni Dodonov <<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>> wrote:<br> +> Hi,<br> +><br> +> just wondering, is the switch from util-linux-ng 2.18 to util-linux 2.19+<br> +> planned?<br> +<br> +</div>not yet because nobody proposed or had time, but if you want this is<br> +i think the perfect time<br> +</blockquote></div><br>Cool, I can help with that!<br><br>What would be the best solution - import a new util-linux package, with Obsoletes/Provides for util-linux-ng; or rename util-linux-ng in svn to util-linux and update the spec?<br clear="all"> + +<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/d0176be9/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/d0176be9/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bcc53f344 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/d0176be9/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>tmb, I hate you.</div><div><br></div><div>making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.</div><div><br></div><div>there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.</div><div><br></div><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div><div><br></div><div>reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy + (and the wireless internet).</div><div><br></div><div>but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a working distro. <br></div><div><br></div><div>forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent dictatorship.</div><div><br></div><div>yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.</div><div><br></div><div>but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced update via kernel-desktop-latest.</div><div><br></div><div>r-c aka beranger</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/d0176be9/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/d0176be9/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bcc53f344 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/d0176be9/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,2 @@ +<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>tmb, I hate you.</div><div><br></div><div>making kernel-desktop-latest to point to kernel-desktop-3.0.0-0.rc7.2.1.mga2 instead of kernel-desktop-devel-2.6.38.8-5.mga2 was a big mistake.</div><div><br></div><div>there should have been something like kernel-desktop-latest3 for a while, to let people test that 3.0 thing (rc, right? I know this is cauldron, but I'd still prefer a kernel that works) while still having a 2.6 kernel.</div><div><br></div><div>this 3.0 kernel is a piece of crap. my acer laptop behaves hectically (now I have a mouse, now it's frozen, now the system claims it will reboot, now I have to press the power button for 5 seconds to shutdown it), bcm4311 doesn't work even with the correct firmware in /lib/firmware/b43, a fully-fledged pita.</div><div><br></div><div>reverting to 2.6.38.8-5 brought back the joy + (and the wireless internet).</div><div><br></div><div>but I suppose there won't be any update to the 2.6.38.8 kernel, right? even for an unstable thing like cauldron this is rather wrong, because 3.0.0 is not a released kernel as of yet. and a working kernel is a precondition to a working distro. <br></div><div><br></div><div>forcing an rc-something as the current kernel is... unbenevolent dictatorship.</div><div><br></div><div>yeah, I know, fedora rawhide and kubuntu 11.10 also have this 3.0.0-rc7-crap sort of thing. so you can't have the latest packages (including the latest kde) w/o having a broken kernel. sigh.</div><div><br></div><div>but my message stands. tmb, I hate you for pushing this kernel as a forced update via kernel-desktop-latest.</div><div><br></div><div>r-c aka beranger</div><div><br></div></div></body></html>
\ No newline at end of file diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment-0001.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..90f13cb1c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment-0001.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least<br> +(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;<br> +(2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!<br></blockquote><div><br>This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)<br> + +<br>They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + + +Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.<br></blockquote><div><br>And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</a>)!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's not working with this kernel and my hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :). <br> + +</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.<br></blockquote><div><br>Apparently they weren't. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they'll read this. Sorry :(.<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +What I like in Linux is never the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Never ever.</blockquote><div><br>World is soooo busy those days...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(<br><br></div> + +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.</blockquote><div><br>2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.<br> + +</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!<br><br>But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. <span class="st">Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).<br> + +</span></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..90f13cb1c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/e00c252a/attachment.html @@ -0,0 +1,37 @@ +<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 09:11, Radu-Cristian FOTESCU <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:beranger5ca@yahoo.ca">beranger5ca@yahoo.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> + +To end this flamewar: when I decide to use a cauldron/cooker/rawhide/unstable system, I expect I will need to fix some breakages, but at least<br> +(1) let me have a proper choice of kernels in GRUB, including the previous one;<br> +(2) don't force UNRELEASED kernels on me!<br></blockquote><div><br>This thread was certainly amused and very fruitful for at least my fortunes file, but may I suggest you to start using some other distribution or operating system which better satisfies your needs, and leave us, poor mortals, with Mandriva/Mageia stable/cooker/cauldron gnu/linux solutions - which work the way we love? :)<br> + +<br>They are imperfect, they have unreleased versions all the time, they have breakages, upgrades, updates, flaws, problems, design issues, and so on - but this is fine for us!<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + + +Breaking a package is one thing, breaking the kernel is a totally different one.<br></blockquote><div><br>And breaking a window is totally different as well, I agree :(. As well as breaking a leg for example, and breaking habits. And let us not forget that it is completely and if I might say, even oppository - to breaking a home run (all via <a href="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/break</a>)!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +And no, I won't investigate anything, I'll not file any report on what it's not working with this kernel and my hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yep, I have already realized this, but thanks to confirming nonetheless :). <br> + +</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +Regressions in kernels are the thing I hate the most in this world.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is certainly one of the cruelest and merciless things in the world, I must agree.. :(<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + + I've experienced kernel regressions in the past every 6 months with each and every Ubuntu release -- and those were kernels supposed to be tested well-enough.<br></blockquote><div><br>Apparently they weren't. Let me apologize on behalf of Ubuntu developers and Linus Torvalds himself for not being proactive enough to make kernels work on your hardware, I believe that they will be really ashamed of themselves at the moment they'll read this. Sorry :(.<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +What I like in Linux is never the kernel.</blockquote><div><br>This seems to be apparently contradictory to some other phrases, but I have to agree - I like never kernel, for example, the 3.0 seems to be great (for me!)<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Never ever.</blockquote><div><br>World is soooo busy those days...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> + +It's monolithic, impossible to be properly tested, and managed by a stupid fat arrogant guy called Linus.</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree, he will be even more ashamed of himself after reading this... :(<br><br></div> + +<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The only kernels I loved were 1.2.13 and1.3.18.</blockquote><div><br>2.2.16 was pretty cool, and 2.4.1 with reiserfs was nice too, but yes, those new shiny trending things - even being a bit cool - are still among the most hated things, this is so very true :(. I have to confess that they must learn a thing or two from DOS - almost 30 years without a remote hole in default install, and working as stable and fast as possible since their first release!<br> + + </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">After that, the kernel was just a nuisance -- like the government, the taxes, the Microsoft tax, etc.<br> + +</blockquote><div><br>Yep, I agree with you, the governments, taxes, Microsoft and its tax are almost as bad as kernel regressions (mentioned above), but they are still are a far cry from those!<br><br>But once again, let me apologize for the Linux community, Free Software developers, Linus Torvalds himself and - of course - mr. <span class="st">Richard Matthew Stallman for not being proactive enough in their efforts to make GNU/Linux working on your computer in most flawless and perfect way. I believe they feel really achamed now and as a sign of my support for their cause, and due to my involvement in the open source community, I will mourn those tragic events today with a minute of silence on this mailing list (starting now).<br> + +</span></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/fd673cd4/attachment-0001.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/fd673cd4/attachment-0001.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..21c7a11a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/fd673cd4/attachment-0001.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hkqMACgkQqEs9DA4DquA6TwCfVH8Uvligvzik0CGCx61yJuVy +V5MAmwf5VZs2RSa6sXqV5nTmqyOoB9G+ +=txwc +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/fd673cd4/attachment.asc b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/fd673cd4/attachment.asc new file mode 100644 index 000000000..21c7a11a2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/attachments/20110716/fd673cd4/attachment.asc @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@ +-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- +Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) + +iEYEABECAAYFAk4hkqMACgkQqEs9DA4DquA6TwCfVH8Uvligvzik0CGCx61yJuVy +V5MAmwf5VZs2RSa6sXqV5nTmqyOoB9G+ +=txwc +-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |