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It's +very easy in public conversations to come across as a jerk, and as a newbie +I really wanted to avoid that. I've tried whenever finding myself in unfamiliar +social situations to just keep my mouth shut, and listen to what's going on +for a while before saying anything. + +The thing about communications is that it really doesn't scale. One +thing that's +nice about the open source model is that you can go into your garage, work on +something, and you don't need anyone's permission or to communicate or +coordinate +with anyone. Coordination is a real pain, and you really want to +structure things so +that you can minimize coordination. Communication is also a problem. You say +one thing, someone replies, pretty soon you have a flame war, and you +aren't doing +and "real work." + +The thing that I'm working on in my garage is a linux workstation that +is set up for +hard-core astrophysics theory. Packaging is a missing piece of +scientific software +since there are hundreds of scientific software packages that are not packaged. + +Rather than engage in vaporware, I just need some stable distribution +that is very +open to adding new items into some "bleeding edge" repository. + +I ended up with Mageia partly for historical reasons, but partly out +of a sense that +because it was a community distribution, it would have some easy mechanism +for accepting "bleeding edge" packages. Once I got through initial +packaging learning, +I was planning to add things like a stellar evolution code and hard +core CFD code. I'd +like to add some professional astronomical telescope tracking software +(like IRAF or +DS9), and to hard core astrophysics research. + +My assumption was that as a community driven project, there would be +some mechanism +for adding new packages to the system, and that I wouldn't have to +worry about getting +permission, I would just do it. Fedora already has a mechanism for +doing that, but sense +I was already using Mageia, I had thought that Mageia would be at +least as open as +Fedora, and that it would be easy to add large numbers of new packages. + +Now if I'm mistaken about this, and this is not the goal of the Mageia +maintainers, then +I just need to find some other platform to work on. + +Again, it makes perfect sense to me not to put cinnamon into Mageia 3 +core. It's +unstable and buggy and it's going to be a pain in the rear end to get +it to work smoothly. The +problem is that if it's not possible to put Cinnamon *somewhere* in +the Mageia tree +so that "bleeding edgers" can work on it, then it's going to be +impossible to use Mageia +as a distribution mechanism for even more bleeding edge experimental +software, and if +that's the intent, then I've just got to find another distribution to work on. + +I'm not trying to be a jerk or to blackmail anyone. It's just that if +there is no mechanism +for Mageia users to share bleeding edge software with each other, then +it's not going to +work for what I want to do with it. urpmi and cauldron is a great +mechanism for two nuclear +physicists to share say the latest nuclear equation of states +libraries, and as something +that advertises itself as a community distribution, I was hoping that +Mageia could be the +center of that. One problem that we have here is that everyone wants +to copy Apple OSX +and Android. The Ipad and MacOS is a slick piece of software. The +trouble is that it +only lets you do what Apple wants you to do, because if you do +something really different +you might break the box. This is really, really bad for real hard +core, scientific research +since what you are trying to do is to push the machine to the point +where you are breaking +the box, and it's hard to communicate in advance what you are trying +to do, since you don't +know. + +If that's not what people want to do with Mageia, then I just have to +accept that and move +elsewhere....... +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="020405.html">[Mageia-dev] [RPM Groups] RPM group change before Beta 1 (fixed title) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="020323.html">[Mageia-dev] Bye Bye Mageia +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#20321">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#20321">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#20321">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#20321">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |