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| author | Nicolas Vigier <boklm@mageia.org> | 2013-04-14 13:46:12 +0000 |
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We have had issues in the +</I>><i> past of the packages for these alternative DEs causing issues for the +</I>><i> core DEs due to the packages satisfying dep's required by the core packages. +</I> +I don't think that cinnamon is ready for Mageia 3. However if we have +a situation +in which it's impossible to package a new DE even in an experimental setting, +then we have a pretty serious problem. That locks Mageia to GNOME and KDE, +and GNOME is self-destructing. + +The "testing" repository seems like it's a good place to put these +sorts of things. +Or there must be a way of marking a package as "cauldron-only." We had a +"contrib" section in Mandriva that dealt with that. + +The other question is how does Fedora manage to do it. + +><i> So while you may have packaged Cinnamon and tested that *it* works, have +</I>><i> you tested it in a repository along with all the other packages we have, +</I>><i> installing e.g. a gnome install and double checking that none of the +</I>><i> cinnamon packages have been pulled in to satisfy deps (incorrectly)? +</I> +chicken meets egg. If I can check this on my machine, then I can write a +script to check for this. However, the place where you find this +sorts of issues +is when other people start using the package and finding that it doesn't work. +But that involves making the package available for other people to use. + +The two big alternatives to GNOME are cinnamon and MATE, and one nice +thing about cinnamon is that it's relatively non-intrusive. + +><i> Perhaps you have, but the "resources" required to support a new DE is +</I>><i> not simply on the packaging. It's in the QA and it's in the testing of +</I>><i> the fallout to other installs when those packages simply exist in the +</I>><i> repos. This is what often takes the most resources. +</I> +Sure, and you don't want that to block mageia 3. + +But most of QA and testing involves getting live users to actually run the +packages. If you don't somehow get the packages out to power users +then things will never get fixed. + +><i> If you are keen to push this through, then I'm afraid you likely will +</I>><i> have to get involved in discussions about it. +</I> +Or I can do things the easy way. I basically took the Fedora SPEC's +and modified them for Mageia. I could just as well work on Fedora or +Linux Mint, and then at some point when Mageia wants to the take those +SPEC's, then someone else can port them over. + +I just want a nice looking desktop and to have a stable platform that I +can use to do astrophysics hacking. If I have to spend any non-trivial +effort to get cinnamon packaged in some way that doesn't break the +system, then I'm going to go insane pushing through the 50-100 other +astrophysics packages that I want to add to Mageia. + +Now maybe you all don't want me to add 50-100 professional astrophysics +packages to Mageia. If so, then it's good we had this discussion now :-) +:<i>-) :-) +</I> +><i> Also, if you really do wish to have this supported, then you should +</I>><i> likely keep on packaging and hopefully find some of the many +</I>><i> unmaintained packages to adopt and prove that you will be sticking +</I>><i> around for a while and not abandon maintenance in the future for +</I>><i> whatever reason. +</I> +Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to work. The trouble is that I'm +doing things out of my "spare time." The people at my day job can +"persuade" me to show up at work every morning and work regular hours +because they hand me $$$$. Everything I do outside of work is for love +and not money, and love is fickle. I'll *try* to do what I can, but I have a +day job and kids, and those come first. + +Also, I get annoyed enough trying to climb the corporate ladder in my +day job. I have to play game after game to get myself in a position +where people will listen to me at work. Today, I had to put together +some Powerpoints for a "review committee" at work, and tomorrow +there is going to be a meeting, and another meeting, and e-mail discussion +and requirements documents, and project plans. And in the middle of +all of this, I just sometimes want to scream at the committee. But I don't +since they pay me $$$$$$$ not to tell them what I really think of them. + +But you aren''t paying me............ + +Now, you may say that this is just "part of life." It may be "part of Mageia" +but it's certainly not part of "open source," and I can put together useful +things elsewhere without having to go through the damn review committee. +Remember I got these specs by converting Fedora RPM's, and they'll be the +first people I'll go to. If they don't work, then I'll try a dozen +other distributions, +and if none of those work, I'll start my own. + +I suppose it would help if someone tries to "sell" me Mageia. What is +Mageia, and why should I volunteer to work on it? + +The thing is that if it is uncertain whether cinnamon will get into Mageia, +then it's just a waste of time for me to work on it in Mageia. It would be +more useful for me to work on getting it to work with Fedora, Ubuntu, or +Mint, because I know that it's going to be useful there. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="020401.html">[Mageia-dev] rpmsrate-raw changes related to GNOME +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="020313.html">[Mageia-dev] Cinnamon +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#20312">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#20312">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#20312">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#20312">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |