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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Remove upgrade functionnality in installer">ennael at mageia.org
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+ <I>Mon Jun 25 09:24:30 CEST 2012</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> But using a DVD to upgrade an already installed system is a good way to get
+</I>&gt;<i> around the fact that many packages, including nonfree firmware, are missing
+</I>&gt;<i> from the DVD.
+</I>&gt;<i> If one does a clean install, one has to try to find a lot of missing
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, because they are no longer installed. &#160;This impacts considerably
+</I>&gt;<i> the usability of the system. &#160;(Considering what the user had installed.)
+</I>&gt;<i> All one has to do after the upgrade install, is reboot and do a normal
+</I>&gt;<i> upgrade with rpmdrake (selecting &quot;all updates&quot; and &quot;all packages&quot;), and
+</I>&gt;<i> almost everything works well.
+</I>&gt;<i> (For me upgrade to mga1 worked perfectly. &#160;The last 2 upgrades with mdv had
+</I>&gt;<i> some problems, due to other factors. &#160;A clean install has always caused me a
+</I>&gt;<i> lot of problems.)
+</I>&gt;<i> With a clean install, it can be problematic to find all the missing
+</I>&gt;<i> packages, as well as missing firmware.
+</I>
+I'm not saying we remove all upgrade ways as we still have mgaapplet.
+We experienced *a lot* of problem during QA tests using DVD to
+upgrade. Really I don'&quot;t understand your point...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that I don't use mgaapplet after an upgrade install, since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> give me all the information I want, to help me decide if I should drop some
+</I>&gt;<i> packages that were installed.
+</I>
+This is not the role of this tool.
+
+&gt;<i> It may be that using mgaapplet after an upgrade install is the weak link in
+</I>&gt;<i> the chain.
+</I>&gt;<i> And certainly urpmi is not a convenient tool at this point. &#160;(Although I use
+</I>&gt;<i> it a lot at other times.)
+</I>
+So because mgaapplet is buggy for upgrades, we should just let it down
+and use DVD ?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note also that with upgrade install, even firmware that is missing from the
+</I>&gt;<i> release (and not only the DVD) remains installed. &#160;So there are cases where
+</I>&gt;<i> an upgrade install necessarily produces a better functioning system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So in sum, in my view, removing upgrade install for DVDs would be an
+</I>&gt;<i> important regression.
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe we should suggest rebooting and using rpmdrake after such an
+</I>&gt;<i> install.
+</I>
+This is non sense... Either the upgrade tool does its job properly or
+not... How can we say Mageia is easy when you propose such process?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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