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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-dev] [RFC] Moving various packages/codecs to tainted">anssi at mageia.org
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+ <I>Wed Jan 11 13:56:32 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>On 10.01.2012 15:07, Pascal Terjan wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 03:20, Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">anssi at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The problem is that that &quot;balance&quot; was achieved by sticking packages in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PLF/main/contrib semi-randomly. For example, H.264 decoders and MPEG-4
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> video encoders are in main/core, while e.g. AAC audio decoders are in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PLF/tainted. If one'd put them into an order, IMO H.264 and MPEG-4 would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be much more prominent and tainted candidates instead of AAC decoding...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, in e.g. MPEG-4 case we have encoders both in core and in tainted,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. we have ffmpeg in core, but xvid in tainted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree we need rules, but &quot;being covered with patents&quot; does not make
+</I>&gt;<i> sense, as the patent owner may agree with using it in free software.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think something like &quot;No actively enforced patent&quot; in core would be good.
+</I>
+Possibly, but how do you define that, exactly?
+
+Does a licensing program count as &quot;enforcing&quot; or do you mean something else?
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I suppose you can't blame a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> US company like RedHat for being overly paranoid, but as you said, Mandriva hasn't had any problems. Are there any there examples out of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> there of distros trying to achieve this balance? Obviously we don't want to follow Ubuntu or ROSA in pretending patents don't exist.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux Mint provides a &quot;No codecs&quot; CD:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/download.php</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu has a patent policy (which basically IIRC says &quot;rights owner or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packager, please contact us if you think there is an infringement, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will investgate&quot;):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatentPolicy">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatentPolicy</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note also that the Ubuntu Live CD and therefore the default Ubuntu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation do not contain any codecs. By default Totem is installed,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> however, and gstreamer is plugged into &quot;gnome-codec-install&quot; (which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> seems really nice, do we use it?), so that wen you try to play an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> unsupported video the first time, it will prompt to install the codecs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (it will also show a warning dialog about patents etc, but AFAICS this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> comes from gnome-codec-install itself, not Ubuntu).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This looks nice
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+Anssi Hannula
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