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But what about the +</I>>>><i> documented (in German) case where +</I>>>><i>  - after fresh installation, reboot (ok) and updates right after +</I>>>><i> installation I was presented with a list of more than 100 "orphans". +</I>>>><i>  - I ran 'urpme --auto-orphans' and rebooted +</I>>>><i>  - several system services (which started successfully after +</I>>>><i> installation) refused to start now because of missing files +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Of course urpmi was not the culprit because it only checks +</I>>>><i> dependencies. But that did matter in that situation. The auto-orphans +</I>>>><i> function obviously listed packages which may have no dependencies but +</I>>>><i> are needed by the system. That's why I do not complain about urpmi but +</I>>>><i> about the whole function. As long as this function is only based on +</I>>>><i> package dependencies it is not safe to use it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Did you choose custom install and unchecked some options? Or did you use +</I>>><i> LiveCD maybe? Anyway.. function is not to blame. Next time copy those +</I>>><i> packages that are going to be uninstalled. And they can be rechecked. Which +</I>>><i> are needed and why they get orphaned. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Used the full DVD (32-bit) Mageia 2 Alpha 2 +</I>><i>  - minimal install with X +</I>><i>  - after installation and reboot everything was ok +</I>><i>  - setup the package media (dedicated mirror) and did 'urpmi -auto-update' +</I>><i>  - I did NOT install or remove one single package manually +</I>><i>  - after that urpmi showed a list of more than 100 orphans +</I>><i>  - used 'urpme -auto-orphans +</I>><i>  - at reboot the start messages showed several errors concerning +</I>><i> crond, network-up, postfix, display manager, etc. - system start +</I>><i> stopped before x was started. Repeated the boot process with same +</I>><i> result. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A side question is why I got so many orphans in a minimal system with +</I>><i> only around 700 packages in total and only around 2 or 3 dozens of +</I>><i> updates (all this happened not long after Alpha 2 release.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Of course urpmi is not the culprit, it is the shortcomings of the +</I>><i> function as it is. It should just not be there if its use could lead +</I>><i> to such behavior, no matter where the cause comes from. Simply said: a +</I>><i> gasoline brand should not be sold if it could do damage to the car's +</I>><i> motor, no matter which of the components of the fluid causes the +</I>><i> damage.. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Anyhow, I will repeat the same operation when Alpha 2 is released in a +</I>><i> couple of days and as soon as the system shows orphans I will document +</I>><i> that list and (if the same problem arises) dmesg output if available. +</I>><i> What else do you need for a reasonable documentation? +</I> +Thanks, this is obviously an installation bug as those packages should +be listed as requested. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="011099.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="011033.html">[Mageia-dev] Orphans - those poor orphans . . . +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#11121">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#11121">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#11121">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#11121">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |