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<B>Pascal Terjan</B>
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<PRE>On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 14:24, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote:
><i> 2012/1/7 Sander Lepik <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>>:
</I>>><i> 07.01.2012 13:39, Wolfgang Bornath kirjutas:
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Of course this is one way to find bugs in packages. But what about the
</I>>>><i> documented (in German) case where
</I>>>><i>  - after fresh installation, reboot (ok) and updates right after
</I>>>><i> installation I was presented with a list of more than 100 "orphans".
</I>>>><i>  - I ran 'urpme --auto-orphans' and rebooted
</I>>>><i>  - several system services (which started successfully after
</I>>>><i> installation) refused to start now because of missing files
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> Of course urpmi was not the culprit because it only checks
</I>>>><i> dependencies. But that did matter in that situation. The auto-orphans
</I>>>><i> function obviously listed packages which may have no dependencies but
</I>>>><i> are needed by the system. That's why I do not complain about urpmi but
</I>>>><i> about the whole function. As long as this function is only based on
</I>>>><i> package dependencies it is not safe to use it.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> Did you choose custom install and unchecked some options? Or did you use
</I>>><i> LiveCD maybe? Anyway.. function is not to blame. Next time copy those
</I>>><i> packages that are going to be uninstalled. And they can be rechecked. Which
</I>>><i> are needed and why they get orphaned.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Used the full DVD (32-bit) Mageia 2 Alpha 2
</I>><i>  - minimal install with X
</I>><i>  - after installation and reboot everything was ok
</I>><i>  - setup the package media (dedicated mirror) and did 'urpmi -auto-update'
</I>><i>  - I did NOT install or remove one single package manually
</I>><i>  - after that urpmi showed a list of more than 100 orphans
</I>><i>  - used 'urpme -auto-orphans
</I>><i>  - at reboot the start messages showed several errors concerning
</I>><i> crond, network-up, postfix, display manager, etc. - system start
</I>><i> stopped before x was started. Repeated the boot process with same
</I>><i> result.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> A side question is why I got so many orphans in a minimal system with
</I>><i> only around 700 packages in total and only around 2 or 3 dozens of
</I>><i> updates (all this happened not long after Alpha 2 release.)
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Of course urpmi is not the culprit, it is the shortcomings of the
</I>><i> function as it is. It should just not be there if its use could lead
</I>><i> to such behavior, no matter where the cause comes from. Simply said: a
</I>><i> gasoline brand should not be sold if it could do damage to the car's
</I>><i> motor, no matter which of the components of the fluid causes the
</I>><i> damage..
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Anyhow, I will repeat the same operation when Alpha 2 is released in a
</I>><i> couple of days and as soon as the system shows orphans I will document
</I>><i> that list and (if the same problem arises) dmesg output if available.
</I>><i> What else do you need for a reasonable documentation?
</I>
Thanks, this is obviously an installation bug as those packages should
be listed as requested.
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