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+ <B>Florian Hubold</B>
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+<PRE>Am 06.01.2012 16:48, schrieb Guillaume Rousse:
+&gt;<i> Le 06/01/2012 16:13, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, I see your reasoning, of course, if the packager forgot to name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the requires then urpmi declares them as orphans. But then, to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> safe, you have to forget about auto-orphans altogether because you can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not be sure that all packagers did their homework.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you have to forget about using packages because you're not sure
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers did their work correctly.
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+</I>&gt;<i> So far, still no one proved than 'orphan' status was wrong regarding urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> definition of what is an orphan package, rather than regarding their own
+</I>&gt;<i> personal expectation.
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+</I>Maybe the problem comes from the fact that urpmi's orphan definition
+and the scope/purpose of the auto-orphan function is nowhere
+officially documented AFAIK, and so users think that it magically
+does whatever they imagine that this should do.
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+I'd like to document it in our wiki, so at least we can point those
+people to some documentation and they understand how this is
+supposed to work.
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+So what would you like to add to such documentation, currently i'd
+start with tv's explanation:
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+ orphan packages are packages that were never directly requested/installed;
+ they're packages that got installed because they were requested or suggested
+ by other packages that were explicitely choosed.
+ Then if you remove the package you explicitely choose, urpmi sees that the
+ packages that were requested by this one are no more required by anything
+ and since you never explicitely requested them, it offer to remove them.
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+ You can explicitely request them by running &quot;urpmi &lt;package&gt;&quot; and it'll never
+ be in the orphan list anymore after.
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+Also mentioning /var/lib/rpm/installed-through-deps.list and the
+description of it from urpmi.files manpage.
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+BTW: why is apropos telling me there's nothing appropriate for urpm/urpmi?
+Is that a bug?
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