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+Message-ID: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com>

+Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:31:36 +0200

+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>

+Reply-To: council@group.mageia.org

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+To: council@group.mageia.org

+Subject: Following with Mandriva discussions

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+Hi everyone,

+

+This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias 

+(council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions.

+

+I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following 

+last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset.

+

+=================

+

+so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to 

+get a status.

+

+He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) 

+http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. 

+So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's

+position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among 

+which Peroyvind (see 

+https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he 

+doesn't have the full story it seems).

+

+He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia 

+as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. 

+Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will 

+get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.

+

+He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming 

+days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its 

+Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its 

+foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes 

+goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does 

+mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on 

+our side too.

+

+So, here's a suggested plan:

+

+  * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning 

+(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news:

+    - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation 

+project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),

+    - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech 

+platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back.

+    - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not 

+so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on 

+Mageia".

+

+  * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to 

+propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - 

+interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and 

+this release news will hide partially the previous news.

+

+===================

+

+It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will 

+make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told 

+about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and 

+organization which are now working quite well.

+

+So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain 

+it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement 

+is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of 

+its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content.

+

+So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published 

+on monday morning:

+https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation

+

+native english speakers needed for proofread :)

+

+Waiing for your comments

+

+Cheers

+

+-- 

+Anne

+http://mageia.org

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+From: "Romain d'Alverny" <rdalverny@gmail.com>

+Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 16:09:25 +0200

+Message-ID: <CANa9xwt_9=B3kCuStXADVO46wyGrfDTitywoKgsspg-UPkGohw@mail.gmail.com>

+Subject: Re: Following with Mandriva discussions

+To: council@group.mageia.org

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+

+FYI, here's a copy of the answer sent to JM Croset about not

+participating to Mandriva foundation workgroup.

+

+Translation first, original in French below.

+

+Dear Jean-Manuel,

+

+thank you very much for this information and this invitation.

+

+Without regret or disdain, after discussion with other board members,

+I can tell you that we are not interested in joining this workgroup.

+

+- Mageia would have been the ideal collaboration hub for such an

+entity, to join and grow, precisely to play such a role; but it did

+not happen, probably because our governance rules don't fit

+[Mandriva's] Supervisory Board; so be it. We will not walk another

+road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific

+reasons.

+

+- we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on

+several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put

+things back to work.

+

+- we don't have much information about trends behind the future

+entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours

+are public and clear since day 1.

+

+- we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our

+(small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our

+priorities are elsewhere at this point.

+

+- this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and

+technos will be Free Software.

+

+

+Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are

+asked why we chose not to participate.

+

+And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour.

+

+----

+

+Cher Jean-Manuel,

+

+merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information.

+

+Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les

+membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas

+int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail.

+

+ - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de

+collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4=

+le

+d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que

+le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au

+Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur

+une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr=

+=E8s

+pr=E9cises.

+

+ - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0

+d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0

+l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat=

+.

+

+ - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se

+dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et

+les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics

+depuis le 1er jour.

+

+ - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser

+davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0

+d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont

+ailleurs =E0 ce stade.

+

+ - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan

+technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres.

+

+Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au

+c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre

+non-participation =E0 votre initiative.

+

+Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr=

+ise.

+

+Bien cordialement,

+

+Romain d'Alverny

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+Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:23:13 +0200

+From: Anne Nicolas <ennael1@gmail.com>

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+Le 20/05/2012 11:31, Anne Nicolas a écrit :

+> Hi everyone

+

+Please try to add comments on all this, even if it's short. We need as 

+many feedbacks as possible until tomorrow on this mail and on pad

+

+Cheers

+

+>

+> This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias

+> (council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions.

+>

+> I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following

+> last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset.

+>

+> =================

+>

+> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to

+> get a status.

+>

+> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18)

+> http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/.

+> So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's

+> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among

+> which Peroyvind (see

+> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he

+> doesn't have the full story it seems).

+>

+> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia

+> as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back.

+> Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will

+> get in touch with us to see how we do this technically.

+>

+> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming

+> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its

+> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its

+> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes

+> goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does

+> mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on

+> our side too.

+>

+> So, here's a suggested plan:

+>

+> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning

+> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news:

+> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation project

+> (and why, cold reasons as we gave him),

+> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech platform

+> for its business server line (link) and contribute back.

+> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not so

+> simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on Mageia".

+>

+> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to

+> propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) -

+> interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and

+> this release news will hide partially the previous news.

+>

+> ===================

+>

+> It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will

+> make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told

+> about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and

+> organization which are now working quite well.

+>

+> So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain

+> it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement

+> is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of

+> its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content.

+>

+> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published

+> on monday morning:

+> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation

+>

+> native english speakers needed for proofread :)

+>

+> Waiing for your comments

+>

+> Cheers

+>

+

+

+-- 

+Anne

+http://mageia.org