From 406da06574850b3f616fd796cd32026141362afc Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Anne Nicolas Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:06:59 +0000 Subject: add private mails from council and board on wobo demand --- ...colas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml | 92 ++++++++++++++ ...\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" | 137 +++++++++++++++++++++ ...colas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml | 101 +++++++++++++++ 3 files changed, 330 insertions(+) create mode 100644 council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml create mode 100644 "council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" create mode 100644 council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml (limited to 'council-private-mandriva-2012-archive') diff --git a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..1ae4a52 --- /dev/null +++ b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1131.eml @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +Return-Path: +Received: from [192.168.1.102] (lns-bzn-48f-62-147-157-222.adsl.proxad.net. [62.147.157.222]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id et10sm16403164wib.2.2012.05.20.02.31.37 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Sun, 20 May 2012 02:31:38 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com> +Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 11:31:36 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +Reply-To: council@group.mageia.org +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: council@group.mageia.org +Subject: Following with Mandriva discussions +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + +Hi everyone, + +This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias +(council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions. + +I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following +last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset. + +================= + +so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to +get a status. + +He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) +http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. +So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +which Peroyvind (see +https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he +doesn't have the full story it seems). + +He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia +as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. +Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will +get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. + +He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes +goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does +mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on +our side too. + +So, here's a suggested plan: + + * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +(CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news: + - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation +project (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), + - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech +platform for its business server line (link) and contribute back. + - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not +so simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on +Mageia". + + * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to +propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - +interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and +this release news will hide partially the previous news. + +=================== + +It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will +make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told +about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and +organization which are now working quite well. + +So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain +it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement +is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of +its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content. + +So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +on monday morning: +https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation + +native english speakers needed for proofread :) + +Waiing for your comments + +Cheers + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org diff --git "a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" "b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" new file mode 100644 index 0000000..1fe7322 --- /dev/null +++ "b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - \"Romain d'Alverny\" - 2012-05-20 1609.eml" @@ -0,0 +1,137 @@ +Delivered-To: ennael1@gmail.com +Received: by 10.76.82.164 with SMTP id j4csp56679oay; + Sun, 20 May 2012 07:40:05 -0700 (PDT) +Received: by 10.180.99.195 with SMTP id es3mr17295129wib.12.1337524804924; + Sun, 20 May 2012 07:40:04 -0700 (PDT) +Return-Path: +Received: from alamut.mageia.org (alamut.mageia.org. 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We will not walk another +road, this very governance has been defined as it is for very specific +reasons. + +- we spent a lot of time, energy, conversations, to define Mageia on +several levels. And we went on producing stuff, and regularly put +things back to work. + +- we don't have much information about trends behind the future +entity, what are the goals of each of the potential participants. Ours +are public and clear since day 1. + +- we don't have the means (neither the wish) to disperse further our +(small) means on a new thing to define and build, we think our +priorities are elsewhere at this point. + +- this won't prevent each of us to collaborate, since our tools and +technos will be Free Software. + + +Feel free to share the above reasons, they will be the same if we are +asked why we chose not to participate. + +And we wish you good luck, and temper, for this endeavour. + +---- + +Cher Jean-Manuel, + +merci beaucoup de votre invitation et de cette information. + +Sans regret ni d=E9dain, apr=E8s discussion et m=FBre r=E9flexion avec les +membres du bureau, je peux vous informer que nous ne sommes pas +int=E9ress=E9s =E0 participer =E0 ce groupe de travail. + + - Mageia nous aurait sembl=E9, a priori, id=E9al, comme hub de +collaboration =E0 investir et grossir, pour remplir pr=E9cis=E9ment le r=F4= +le +d'une telle entit=E9 ; mais cela n'a pas eu lieu, probablement parce que +le mode de gouvernance (point cl=E9 s'il en est) ne convient pas au +Conseil de Surveillance ; dont acte. Nous ne nous engagerons pas sur +une autre voie, cette gouvernance a =E9t=E9 d=E9finie pour des raisons tr= +=E8s +pr=E9cises. + + - nous avons investi beaucoup de temps, d'=E9nergie, de discussions, =E0 +d=E9finir Mageia, sur plusieurs plans. Et puis nous sommes pass=E9s =E0 +l'=E9tape de production, et remettons r=E9guli=E8rement les choses =E0 plat= +. + + - nous n'avons pas beaucoup d'information sur les tendances qui se +dessinent derri=E8re cette future entit=E9, quels sont les objectifs et +les buts des uns et des autres. Les n=F4tres sont clairs et publics +depuis le 1er jour. + + - nous n'avons donc pas les moyens (ni le souhait) de disperser +davantage nos (encore faibles) moyens sur une nouvelle entit=E9 =E0 +d=E9finir et construire, car nous pensons que nos priorit=E9s sont +ailleurs =E0 ce stade. + + - cela n'emp=EAchera pas, =E0 l'avenir, de collaborer sur le plan +technique, puisque nos outils et technos respectives seront libres. + +Voil=E0. Sentez-vous libre de transmettre ces raisons, elles seront au +c=9Cur de nos r=E9ponses si l'on nous pose la question de notre +non-participation =E0 votre initiative. + +Et nous vous souhaitons bonne chance, et de l'=E9nergie, pour cette entrepr= +ise. + +Bien cordialement, + +Romain d'Alverny diff --git a/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml new file mode 100644 index 0000000..47410f9 --- /dev/null +++ b/council-private-mandriva-2012-archive/Re: Following with Mandriva discussions - Anne Nicolas - 2012-05-20 1423.eml @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +Return-Path: +Received: from [192.168.1.102] (lns-bzn-48f-62-147-157-222.adsl.proxad.net. [62.147.157.222]) + by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u10sm74113458eem.1.2012.05.20.05.23.14 + (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); + Sun, 20 May 2012 05:23:14 -0700 (PDT) +Message-ID: <4FB8E231.3090406@gmail.com> +Date: Sun, 20 May 2012 14:23:13 +0200 +From: Anne Nicolas +User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20120426 Thunderbird/10.0.4 +MIME-Version: 1.0 +To: council@group.mageia.org +Subject: Re: Following with Mandriva discussions +References: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com> +In-Reply-To: <4FB8B9F8.8010800@gmail.com> +Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed +Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit + +Le 20/05/2012 11:31, Anne Nicolas a écrit : +> Hi everyone + +Please try to add comments on all this, even if it's short. We need as +many feedbacks as possible until tomorrow on this mail and on pad + +Cheers + +> +> This mail is not using usual council ML but group alias +> (council@group.mageia.org). Please keep it for current discussions. +> +> I'm mailing here the mail Romain sent to the board yesterday, following +> last discussions we had with Mandriva CEO, JM Croset. +> +> ================= +> +> so, Anne and me got in a conf call with JM Croset a few minutes ago to +> get a status. +> +> He announced yesterday (Thursday, May 18) +> http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2012/05/17/mandriva-linux-will-return-to-the-community/. +> So several discussions are popping up here and there. Mageia's +> position has been transferred to some people inside Mandriva, among +> which Peroyvind (see +> https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?p=18041#p18041 - although he +> doesn't have the full story it seems). +> +> He will announce early next Monday (22) that Mandriva SA will use Mageia +> as a tech platform for its business server line, and contribute back. +> Antoine Ginies (Mandriva engineer in chief for the business server) will +> get in touch with us to see how we do this technically. +> +> He worries that trolls and discussions may damage Mageia in the coming +> days (for both news: Mandriva using Mageia as a tech platform for its +> Business Server line; and Mageia not following Mandriva in its +> foundation things) because he realizes that... community stuff sometimes +> goes out of hand; but he reassured us that, whatever is said, he does +> mean good for everyone; so it's important to play it cool and neutral on +> our side too. +> +> So, here's a suggested plan: +> +> * we announce/explicit both news on our side on Monday early morning +> (CEST) as well, in a single blog post embedding all Mandriva-related news: +> - on one side, Mageia is not going to join Mandriva foundation project +> (and why, cold reasons as we gave him), +> - on the other side, Mandriva is going to use Mageia as tech platform +> for its business server line (link) and contribute back. +> - this double news should make it more obvious that things are not so +> simple as "Mageia is dumping Mandriva" or "Mandriva is rebasing on Mageia". +> +> * this news being published Monday morning, it leaves two full days to +> propagate, before we push the Mageia 2 release news (Tuesday evening) - +> interest about Mageia will have raised a bit in the previous days, and +> this release news will hide partially the previous news. +> +> =================== +> +> It's good news for Mageia as it makes Mageia ecosystem grow up. It will +> make things clearer for Mageia community now as many things were told +> about Mandriva future and community. Mageia keeps its own governance and +> organization which are now working quite well. +> +> So the next step is about communicating on these news. As said by Romain +> it has to be prepared and be ready very quickly as Mandriva announcement +> is planned for sunday evening. Mandriva CEO will send us the draft of +> its own announcement so that we can check we all agree on the content. +> +> So now we have to work on the Mageia blog post which will be published +> on monday morning: +> https://pad.riseup.net/p/mdv-foundation +> +> native english speakers needed for proofread :) +> +> Waiing for your comments +> +> Cheers +> + + +-- +Anne +http://mageia.org -- cgit v1.2.1