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+<PRE>On Tue, 5 Apr 2011 08:00:03 pm <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A> wrote:
+&gt;<i> Message: 8
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 05:33:45 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Icons on kde desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;BANLkTi=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tR5bvxv_RCfSS6pJDO6kbE1mwaw at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 5 April 2011 05:31, David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, 04 Apr 2011 23:11:20 -0400, Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; plasma-applet-folderview is required by task-kde4-minimal, maybe you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; should make sure you have task-kde4-minimal installed :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do now! :-). ?Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /root/drakx/ddebug.log has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * trans: scheduling removal of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plasma-applet-folderview-4.4.3-7mdv2010.1.i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * trans: scheduling removal of task-kde4-minimal-4.4.3-1mdv2010.1.noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It seems that with those packages not on the alpha2 iso, the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages got removed during the initial install. ?That seems like a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; problem for upgrades.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I did an upgrade, rather then a clean install, I didn't pay much
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attention
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to what rpm packages were available on the iso.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not clear on why those packages got removed yet many others, like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; kate, did not.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Both of those packages are on the Alpha2 ISO's
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-i">ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-i</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> 586.idx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The log you posted shows that the old 4.4.3 packages were removed, (to
+</I>&gt;<i> be replaced by 4.6.1 packages, I think).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+I have had no problem with displaying icons, but I installed to a clean
+partition from Alpha 1, then did an upgrade with the Alpha2 DVD (which changed
+nothing.) I should have all the 4.6.1 packages.
+
+In my experience, while a &quot;Task&quot; metapackage brings in dependencies, removing
+it doesn't remove the dependencies, but Dave will know better about that.
+
+Doug.
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hi there,
+
+Since past September (6 months 1/2), what we all have done so far is
+already quite amazing!
+
+Among things were defining, building teams and making them work. The
+result we can see is these releases and especially the last, beta1. I
+can't name everyone - but I really think we can cheer every one of us
+who took her fair share of the work to make this happen! Congrats,
+really!
+
+
+Things are not over, far from that. Notwithstanding next beta2, RC and
+finale after which a brainstorming Summer awaits us.
+
+To keep it short, here's the point: we do need more hands (and more
+than just that). To make things more regular, better, stronger. Not
+that those already in these teams do not already do great, but they
+could do even better with a slightly larger team, sharing the workload
+and tasks.
+
+
+Looking at the Council composition
+(<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council</A> ) you can see holes.
+
+Those I will stress out (because I see them first hand, but that's not
+exclusive) are:
+ - sysadmin &amp; web teams - these two are crucial to build, manage and
+fix the very infrastructure needed for the community to work and
+reflect on itself;
+ - marketing &amp; communication teams - these will help mesure, design
+and shape the messages we send out to the world;
+ - artwork - these shape what we do, because their work materializes &amp;
+identifies essential parts of the project;
+ - QA (being setup as we speak) defines, implements (when auto) and
+conducts tests to ensure what we ship is already OK regarding
+improving criteria.
+ - I am not forgetting other teams, no offense! :-) each needs new,
+fresh or experienced hands!
+
+
+Too, there's special care, respect, patience to be taken by every
+team, and every team member, to _advocate_ and _listen_ what and why
+doing things in some way and not in an other. Especially as we grow
+existing and new teams, as we then need to adapt/change the way we
+used to do things sometimes.
+
+
+Of course, not only posting to this list will be a solution. I could
+open a bug on &quot;We need to grow our teams&quot; for that for a record. But I
+would certainly better welcome ideas here. :-)
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>2011/4/6 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since past September (6 months 1/2), what we all have done so far is
+</I>&gt;<i> already quite amazing!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Among things were defining, building teams and making them work. The
+</I>&gt;<i> result we can see is these releases and especially the last, beta1. I
+</I>&gt;<i> can't name everyone - but I really think we can cheer every one of us
+</I>&gt;<i> who took her fair share of the work to make this happen! Congrats,
+</I>&gt;<i> really!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Things are not over, far from that. Notwithstanding next beta2, RC and
+</I>&gt;<i> finale after which a brainstorming Summer awaits us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To keep it short, here's the point: we do need more hands (and more
+</I>&gt;<i> than just that). To make things more regular, better, stronger. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> that those already in these teams do not already do great, but they
+</I>&gt;<i> could do even better with a slightly larger team, sharing the workload
+</I>&gt;<i> and tasks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looking at the Council composition
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org:council</A> ) you can see holes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those I will stress out (because I see them first hand, but that's not
+</I>&gt;<i> exclusive) are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- sysadmin &amp; web teams - these two are crucial to build, manage and
+</I>&gt;<i> fix the very infrastructure needed for the community to work and
+</I>&gt;<i> reflect on itself;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- marketing &amp; communication teams - these will help mesure, design
+</I>&gt;<i> and shape the messages we send out to the world;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- artwork - these shape what we do, because their work materializes &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> identifies essential parts of the project;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- QA (being setup as we speak) defines, implements (when auto) and
+</I>&gt;<i> conducts tests to ensure what we ship is already OK regarding
+</I>&gt;<i> improving criteria.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- I am not forgetting other teams, no offense! :-) each needs new,
+</I>&gt;<i> fresh or experienced hands!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Too, there's special care, respect, patience to be taken by every
+</I>&gt;<i> team, and every team member, to _advocate_ and _listen_ what and why
+</I>&gt;<i> doing things in some way and not in an other. Especially as we grow
+</I>&gt;<i> existing and new teams, as we then need to adapt/change the way we
+</I>&gt;<i> used to do things sometimes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, not only posting to this list will be a solution. I could
+</I>&gt;<i> open a bug on &quot;We need to grow our teams&quot; for that for a record. But I
+</I>&gt;<i> would certainly better welcome ideas here. :-)
+</I>
+Let me please add one point here:
+
+There was a &quot;rush to arms&quot; in late September when we started out on
+this. The &quot;Teams&quot; pages in our wiki ( <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</A>
+) were filled with names of people who demonstrated their readiness to
+be a part of this community project by writing down their names in the
+various areas of work.
+
+Now time has gone by and many of those whose names are listed in those
+wiki pages have shown their commitment, their enthousiasm and their
+skills by helping Mageia up to this Beta stage. Others have either
+found other tasks or areas which demand their time and attention or
+just lost interest because there was not much to do for them during
+the months of &quot;environment building&quot;.
+
+I'd kindly ask those people to check again - the situation has changed
+a lot, a whole infrastructure is in place for almost every field of
+interest for you. May be you were bored because you could do nothing
+but lurk over the fences all the time. Now the time has come for you
+to enter the game, we need you to help in that area of work you
+offered your help.
+
+Think again and join us. Don't hesitate to contact any of us with your
+questions.
+
+Cheers
+--
+wobo
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+<LI><A HREF="004094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 8, Issue 2
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+<I>Doug Laidlaw
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+<LI><A HREF="004096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Petit mousse au rapport !
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+<I>Romain d'Alverny
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