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On top of that, its use is kinda limited to people that don’t +</I>>>><i> use a desktop environment that handle automounting itself (and those +</I>>>><i> should consider using udisks instead) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> How is udisks supposed to replace halevt? +</I>>><i> Is it capable of automounting without an additionnal daemon? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> AFAICS, only task-lxde and task-moblin suggested halevt... +</I> +I'v using halevt with fluxbox + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003401.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3402">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3402">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3402">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3402">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003403.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003403.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..213e8d1b9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003403.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82985D.7090508%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003434.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003406.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82985D.7090508%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 00:25:17 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003434.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3403">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3403">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3403">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3403">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 18:24 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +</I>>><i> nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>>>><i> seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>>>><i> "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>>><i> That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>>><i> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it, +</I>><i> since it would be charging for the software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it. +</I> +Charging for the media is not charging for the software. +(The commercial abusers that provoked Mozilla's reaction were charging +for the software itself, which was provided via download from Internet.) +(Evidently they targeted naïve end-users.) + +Mozilla always gives permission to open source distros. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003434.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3403">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3403">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3403">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3403">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003404.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003404.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..65c6fdd63 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003404.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82991C.1030708%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003419.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003416.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82991C.1030708%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 00:28:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003416.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3404">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3404">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3404">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3404">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:51, nicolas vigier<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>><i> Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end +</I>>>><i> of 2010, that was related to this? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933">http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Right, thanks. But that doesn't solve the trademark usage issue, +</I>><i> actually. So the question is still open. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +First of all, for a short period of time Mozilla seemed to require +special permission to do _any_ redistribution based on Mozilla source +code, a situation which was a response to commercial sites grossly +abusing Mozilla software, essentially defrauding end-users in the name +of Mozilla. +Subsequently they clarified their policy (but forgot to update their +site for a while.) +(The iceweavel project, created in reaction to this problem, died +shortly after Mozilla clarified their policy.) + +According to their site, the clarified policy says essentially that +as long as +1) we don't modify the source code (other than applying +Mozilla-originated patches, which we can do by updating from their cvs), and +2) we don't charge for the code, +we can redistribute Mozilla products using the name, trademarks and logos. + +As far as I know, Mandriva has never modified the source code, other +than applying Mozilla security patches. And I don't see us at Mageia +wanting to do so either. + +In case of doubt, the site asks us to contact them at <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com</A> + +In the worst case, we'll have to get permission (which is assured in our +case). +But I don't think the Mozilla policy requires it. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003416.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3404">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3404">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3404">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3404">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003405.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003405.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fe0c4f13c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003405.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20ANNOUNCE%3A%20x11-server%201.10&In-Reply-To=%3C4D829E19.3070906%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Although charging +</I>><i> >> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it, +</I>><i> > since it would be charging for the software. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Charging for the media is not charging for the software. +</I> +Reread again <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A> : + +"If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are +distributing, you may not charge for that product. By not charging, we +mean the Mozilla product must be without cost and its distribution +(whether by download or other media) may not be subject to a fee, or +tied to subscribing to or purchasing a service, or the collection of +personal information." + +Let me highlight a part of the quote + +"its distribution (whether by download or other media) may not be +subject to a fee" + +So I cannot distribute it by selling a CD, since this would subject the +distribution to a fee. + +The article of the FSF explicitly list this as a right for free software +users <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html</A> . + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003403.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3406">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3406">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3406">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3406">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003407.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003407.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d86364ae2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003407.html @@ -0,0 +1,180 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110317235740.GB21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003405.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003420.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110317235740.GB21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 00:57:40 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3407">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3407">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3407">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3407">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: + +><i> nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Quote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:26 +</I>>>><i> ---------------------------------------------------- +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the +</I>>>>><i> license +</I>>>>>>><i> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have +</I>>>>><i> to +</I>>>>>>><i> rename/rebrand it. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Is it different than firefox license terms ? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Same rules AFAIK, see +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed, exactly the same rules. +</I>><i> +</I>>>><i> I don't see why we need to change the name. The policy says: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config +</I>>>><i> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need +</I>>>><i> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for +</I>>>><i> your compiled version." +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> We are not using unmodified source code for firefox : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Many of these entries seem to be just modified changelog entries. (And of +</I>><i> course, unmodified imports have changelog entries.) +</I> +It's not patches on the changelog ... Did you read any of the patches ? + +><i> +</I>>><i> And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> These are mosty against obsolete versions of Seamonkey. (Which may predate +</I>><i> the current Mozilla policy.) +</I> +This is the package for version 2.0.12, which is the latest version, +released 2 weeks ago. Is this what you call an obsolete version ? + +And the Mozilla policy is not new, I doubt the patches predate the +policy ... + +><i> Otherwise they just seem to be modified changelog entries. +</I> +I don't know where you saw modified changelog entries. + +><i> +</I>><i> Note also that if applied patches come from Mozilla, that shouldn't require +</I>><i> permission. (And Mozilla issues a lot of patches, particularly for +</I>><i> security.) +</I> +This is not security patches. Did you look at the patches ? + +By the way, did you really see Mozilla issue a lot of patches ? +They usually don't release patch on their ftp server, and only release +new tarballs for new versions when they need to fix security issues. + +And did you really see anything in the policy talking about patches +coming from Mozilla, or is it just an other random statement ? + +><i> +</I>><i> As well, we don't use the logo for advertising, we are just repackaging the +</I>><i> software as part of our distribution. +</I> +We are using the logo and the name, so we need to follow the policy (or +use rebranded version). + +><i> It might install in a somewhat different location, but that doesn't change +</I>><i> the contained binaries or scripts. Also, binaries distributed by Mozilla +</I>><i> without installer (in a compressed file) can be installed (almost) anywhere +</I>><i> one likes. +</I> +The list of changes that require permision to use the Mozilla Marks +includes "file location changes". Did you read the policy ? + +>><i> Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>>><i> seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>>><i> "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>><i> That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>><i> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I> +Did you read the open source definition ? +<A HREF="http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd">http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd</A> +First line says : "The license shall not restrict any party from selling +or giving away the software ..." + +So you're talking about patches that you didn't read. You're talking +about a policy that you didn't read. You're talking about "open source" +while you didn't read the definition. It would be nice if you could stop +sending emails with almost only false informations, and instead only +talk about what you know, or take the time to check what you're saying. + +>><i> So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the +</I>>><i> "Modifications" section. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think we need to, but we can always confirm via +</I>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com</A> +</I> +It probably won't be a problem to get permission, but we need to ask. +I think Romain plans to see this with people from Mozilla europe. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3407">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3407">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3407">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3407">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003408.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003408.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ab53ef635 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003408.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318000035.GC21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003432.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003410.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318000035.GC21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 01:00:35 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3408">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3408">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3408">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3408">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: + +><i> Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 18:24 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +</I>><i> > nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>><i> > > seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>><i> > > "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>><i> > That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>><i> > for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it, +</I>><i> since it would be charging for the software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it. +</I> +It seems this restriction only applies to "Unaltered Binaries" +distribution. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3408">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3408">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3408">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3408">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003409.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003409.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fa9f897a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003409.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Chroot%20problem%20this%20evening&In-Reply-To=%3C1300406728.12211.34.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003413.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003411.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Chroot%20problem%20this%20evening&In-Reply-To=%3C1300406728.12211.34.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 01:05:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3409">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3409">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3409">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3409">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +Those who are addicted to reading pkgsubmit.mageia.org may have seen +that we suffered from some issues this evening, the chroot used to build +packages could not be regenerated due to a serie of events. + +Due to a conflict between 2 packages ( caused by some issue upstream, +tmb will likely explain better than me ), caused by incorrect assumption +in iurt ( or urpmi ) source code, the chroot was generated with free and +non-free media at the same time, and there was 2 rpms conflicting +( kernel-firmware and kernel-firmware-extra ), preventing the chroot to +be rebuilt. The conflict could not be seen usually, as that's here only +to make sure package are in sync ( without having requires ). + +Thomas removed the 2 rpms from mirrors for now, and blino fixed iurt +( commit 682 and 683 in soft/ , 1328 in adm/ ), and deployed it. + +We have also discussed of issues regarding enabling --no-suggests on +iurt, but I am not sure it is not already the case, so that's still +investigated. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3409">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3409">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3409">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3409">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003410.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003410.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..91b13c700 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003410.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C1300407458.12211.42.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003408.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003413.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C1300407458.12211.42.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 01:17:38 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3410">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3410">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3410">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3410">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le vendredi 18 mars 2011 à 01:00 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit : +><i> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 18:24 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +</I>><i> > > nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > > Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>><i> > > > seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>><i> > > > "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>><i> > > That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>><i> > > for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it, +</I>><i> > since it would be charging for the software. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It seems this restriction only applies to "Unaltered Binaries" +</I>><i> distribution. +</I> +Yup, but then for altered binaries, we just cannot use the brand, see +"modification" : + +"If you're taking full advantage of the open-source nature of Mozilla's +products and making significant functional changes, you may not +redistribute the fruits of your labor under any Mozilla trademark, +without Mozilla's prior written consent." + +I do understand their position, and I also know that they need to defend +their trademark ( as not doing would prevent them from defending later, +as some lawyer explained to me one day ), so I do not blame them. + +But if we wish to respect their policy ( and that's what we both wish ), +we will likely need to change the name, or to move it to tainted or +non-free ( because either trademark issues preventing distribution or +removal of a basic freedom would be a reason to do so ). + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3410">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3410">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3410">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3410">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003411.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003411.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a60bd7b5b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003411.html @@ -0,0 +1,170 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20second%20impressions%20of%20mageia%201%20alpha%202%20%28upgrade%20from%0A%09MDV%202010%20x86_64%20PWP%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103180155.13473.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003409.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003443.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP)</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20second%20impressions%20of%20mageia%201%20alpha%202%20%28upgrade%20from%0A%09MDV%202010%20x86_64%20PWP%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201103180155.13473.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP)">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 01:55:13 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3411">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3411">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3411">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3411">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, + +first i noticed that 64bit iso is 3.8GB, while 32bit is more than 4GB. + +upgrading mdv 2010.1 x86_64 PWP with mageia 1 alpha 2 x86_64 DVD: + +- i noticed that the delay in text is still there during boot from DVD(#61) +- in installer, i noticed that some of the blue rounding is gone now(#62) +- ( what shall we do with #66 ? low priority? not valid? discuss more? ) +- I chose upgrade, and it almost immediately started upgrading. +- I absolutely love the artwork during install: 1.5 thumbs up! +- upgrade did tell me it would take more than 1hour, after a while it told me +it would be more than 4 hours + +I remember from earlier mdv upgrades that upgrade from DVD always took a huge +amount of time, so i haven't tried it since it was mandrake... at later +times, i upgraded using urpmi sources and even later just by the applet. or +sometimes did a fresh install. + +i noticed on my vbox3 that the disk and DVD gave 1sec activity and then 2sec +nothing... so i suppose this could be more a CPU issue rather than a disk +issue... (VM has 1cpu + 512 MB RAM) + +- after about 10% i see an error message: +i tried to take screenshots of everything... but there was alot. + +* it started with conflicts of /usr/share/doc/HTML/kcontrol/ that was moved +from kdebase to kderuntime or something +* alot of X needed by Y stuff: from perl-base, x11, python, imagemagick + +it seems to (ironically) be bug #404 . the upgrade seems to stop and just move +on to configuration... + +- the users step was skipped (seems normal) however, the item is still there? +- the bootloader step was done +- i don't know if it's a bug or not, but security level was marked as +"unconfigured" in the configuration step. +- i chose yes to updates +- during update the small font is still there (#67) +- it gave an error that "aria2 failed(exited with 127): unable to access +distribution medium (no media.cfg file found)" with a text below: "medium: ()" +(#426) +- it then proceeded to show the screen to reboot +- documentation asked to look on terminal to find out some stuff, but in my +vbox, pressing Function keys with alt didn't do anything, and ctrl-alt +switched me on the host, so i couldn't test that. + +so i rebooted. + +- rebooting showed me the old grub (text + graphic), but seemed to boot into +mageia, (even after selecting mandriva). +- black background in DM +- logging in to KDE gives "could not start kdeinit4. check your installation" +and a second window behind it, about changing names of folders. i was in a +daring mood and clicked update names. and after that on the "okay" button from +the kde error message. it got me back to kdm, so i clicked console login +- seeing tty, i noticed it still said Mandriva linux +- product.id + /etc/issue still unchanged +- urpmq --list-url showed me that the DVD was still listed as medium, so i did +the urpmi --auto-update +- "unable to access core media" but it continued with message: +- "some requested packages cannot be installed: dblatex, gtk-doc", i said yes +- "the following will be removed: " kmail, due to missing kio-* ; and some +others like mdkonline and some python stuff., i said yes +- then installing package step, 276 packages and 39MB will be freed., i said +yes. +- it said, please insert medium "core media" +- i ejected it in vbox and put it back in, that did the trick +- it tried to start and said i needed 86MB on / (out of disk space?) +- i removed tetex (it seemed to take 200M on /usr/share/texmf) with urpme and +it removed also 12 that depended on it dblatex and stuff +- i redid the autoupdate, and it asked again to insert medium core media, but +reinserting it didn't seem to work. also not inserting something else first. +- failing that, i removed the core media and set up urpmi sources from online +local media. alas it seemed aria2c didn't work due to libz and libxml versions +missing... +- specifying --wget option didn't help either, because my eth0 wasn't present, +but renamed to eth1, which didn't have a config, of course. +- after dhclient eth1 and shutting down firewall, and iptables service to +accept, that worked. +- it also showed the "2\n2" isn't numeric warning messages (#201) +- i also had to add --no-md5sum (due to md5sum check failed) +- i also got messages that it was unable to get pubkeys +- urpmi --auto-update --wget gave warnings but seemed to work, only 2 packages +were to be removed due to python < 2.7 +- after it ran, it seemd to be only related to urpmi update, and so it +restarted itself and asked me to remove libktorrent to proceed, i say yes +- it then said 300+ extra MB for 1700+ packages, i say yes +- it's halfway through installing atm, i'll go to sleep and tomorrow i'll +continue this. + + + +this was a cloned machine, so it can be retested at a later date. or in +different ways. + + +my conclusion: + - totally not ready for upgrade via DVD. + - DVD upgrade method seems very unstable to me and takes way too much time. + - I would propose to change the DVD upgrade method, that it just doesn't +upgrade at all, except it installs a mgaupdate applet on the mandriva, then +reboots into mandriva, but sort of does an applet-y upgrade there. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3411">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3411">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3411">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3411">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003412.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003412.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5f128e323 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003412.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103180159.03019.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Looks like it's growing much too fast. So one job for next beta +</I>><i> would be to investigate on this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - check real size +</I>><i> - check deps +</I>><i> - check rpmsrate for isos +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Comments welcome +</I> + +for me, this is important, and i'll probably spend some time on it shrinking +basesytem-minimal impact size. + +Some things might not be 100% required and could perhaps use suggests instead. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003414.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3412">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3412">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3412">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3412">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003413.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003413.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e45ca995d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003413.html @@ -0,0 +1,125 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318010007.GE21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003410.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003409.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318010007.GE21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 02:00:07 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3413">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3413">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3413">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3413">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: + +><i> Le vendredi 18 mars 2011 à 01:00 +0100, nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, Michael Scherer wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > > Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 18:24 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +</I>><i> > > > nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > > > Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>><i> > > > > seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>><i> > > > > "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>><i> > > > That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>><i> > > > for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it, +</I>><i> > > since it would be charging for the software. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It seems this restriction only applies to "Unaltered Binaries" +</I>><i> > distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yup, but then for altered binaries, we just cannot use the brand, see +</I>><i> "modification" : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "If you're taking full advantage of the open-source nature of Mozilla's +</I>><i> products and making significant functional changes, you may not +</I>><i> redistribute the fruits of your labor under any Mozilla trademark, +</I>><i> without Mozilla's prior written consent." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do understand their position, and I also know that they need to defend +</I>><i> their trademark ( as not doing would prevent them from defending later, +</I>><i> as some lawyer explained to me one day ), so I do not blame them. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But if we wish to respect their policy ( and that's what we both wish ), +</I>><i> we will likely need to change the name, or to move it to tainted or +</I>><i> non-free ( because either trademark issues preventing distribution or +</I>><i> removal of a basic freedom would be a reason to do so ). +</I> +Or get permission to use their trademark with our modified version. I +think that's what most distributions do, and that they give permission +easily if modifications are small. + +I don't think protected trademark is a reason to move to non-free or +tainted, as software is still free software and can be modified without +asking permission if name is also changed. Other software we have in +core also have the same requirements. Apache is a registered trademark, +and can only be used by software from the apache foundation, so cannot +be forked without changing name : +<A HREF="http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/">http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/</A> +OpenJDK is also a trademark, that can be used only if "the vast majority +of the Software code is identical to the upstream Website Software" : +<A HREF="http://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-trademark-notice.html">http://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-trademark-notice.html</A> +Eclipse is also a registered trademark, and can only be used by eclipse +projects : +<A HREF="http://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php">http://www.eclipse.org/legal/logo_guidelines.php</A> +And I think many other software names or logo are registered trademarks, +or have a license that require changing name when making important changes. + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3413">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3413">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3413">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3413">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003414.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003414.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..af4f1b278 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003414.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318020347.4e3a9b9e%40kolvir.twa-corbies.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Although charging +</I>>>>><i> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So that mean that someone cannot ask money for selling a cdrom with it, +</I>>>><i> since it would be charging for the software. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> That's clearly a restriction of usage. So we need to rebrand it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Charging for the media is not charging for the software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Reread again <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A> : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "If you are using the Mozilla Mark(s) for the unaltered binaries you are +</I>><i> distributing, you may not charge for that product. By not charging, we +</I>><i> mean the Mozilla product must be without cost and its distribution +</I>><i> (whether by download or other media) may not be subject to a fee, or +</I>><i> tied to subscribing to or purchasing a service, or the collection of +</I>><i> personal information." +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Let me highlight a part of the quote +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "its distribution (whether by download or other media) may not be +</I>><i> subject to a fee" +</I> +And it is not. Anyone is free to download, without cost, from the +Mageia site, any software in the distribution, including all Mozilla +products offered. That some people (or even Mageia itself) may choose +to offer an iso, containing many packages, for a fee as an extra +service, does not in any way restrict users having no-cost access to the +Mozilla products distributed by Mageia. Mageia is offering the Mozilla +product without charge. +I would say that choosing to interpret that as a fee for a Mozilla +product is a very obtuse interpretation. +As well, there is no use of the Mozilla logo or trademark in this case, +only a package with the original Mozilla product name. + +><i> So I cannot distribute it by selling a CD, since this would subject the +</I>><i> distribution to a fee. +</I> +Only if the CD contained only (or primarily) Mozilla products would I +say that you would reason for concern. For an officiel Mageia iso, that +would be very far from the case. + +><i> The article of the FSF explicitly list this as a right for free software +</I>><i> users <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html</A> . +</I> +That is a provision of unmodified GPL, and not a requirement of all open +source licenses. In fact, even the FSF admits that not all open source +licenses have this provision. + +The FSF page + <<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses</A>> +lists the Xinetd license + <<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License</A>> +as a free software license which is not compatible with GPL. + +Why ? It cannot be redistributed for a fee. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003417.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3415">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3415">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3415">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3415">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003416.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003416.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fb60b8df2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003416.html @@ -0,0 +1,116 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318011112.GF21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003404.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003422.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318011112.GF21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 02:11:12 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003422.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3416">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3416">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3416">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3416">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: + +><i> Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:51, nicolas vigier<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>>><i> Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end +</I>>>>><i> of 2010, that was related to this? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Yes : +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933">http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Right, thanks. But that doesn't solve the trademark usage issue, +</I>>><i> actually. So the question is still open. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain +</I>><i> +</I>><i> First of all, for a short period of time Mozilla seemed to require special +</I>><i> permission to do _any_ redistribution based on Mozilla source code, a +</I> +No, they required permissions only when using their trademark. The +source code is free software, and can be used without permission. + +><i> situation which was a response to commercial sites grossly abusing Mozilla +</I>><i> software, essentially defrauding end-users in the name of Mozilla. +</I>><i> Subsequently they clarified their policy (but forgot to update their site +</I>><i> for a while.) +</I>><i> (The iceweavel project, created in reaction to this problem, died shortly +</I>><i> after Mozilla clarified their policy.) +</I> +The iceweavel project is still alive, and still used in Debian at the +moment, so it did not die shortly after Mozilla clarified their policy. + +And Mozilla did not change their policy. What they changed is the license +of the logo, which was not available under a free license but is now +available under the MPL, GPL or LGPL license (but still protected by +trademark, which is different than copyright). + +><i> +</I>><i> According to their site, the clarified policy says essentially that +</I>><i> as long as +</I>><i> 1) we don't modify the source code (other than applying Mozilla-originated +</I>><i> patches, which we can do by updating from their cvs), and +</I>><i> 2) we don't charge for the code, +</I>><i> we can redistribute Mozilla products using the name, trademarks and logos. +</I> +The "don't charge" is only for Unaltered Binaries distribution. + +><i> +</I>><i> As far as I know, Mandriva has never modified the source code, other than +</I>><i> applying Mozilla security patches. And I don't see us at Mageia wanting to +</I>><i> do so either. +</I> +As already said, our package includes some small patches : +<A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/</A> + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003422.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3416">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3416">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3416">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3416">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003417.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003417.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7b2250c5c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003417.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318013416.GG21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003415.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003418.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318013416.GG21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 02:34:16 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3417">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3417">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3417">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3417">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: + +><i> +</I>>><i> The article of the FSF explicitly list this as a right for free software +</I>>><i> users <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html</A> . +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That is a provision of unmodified GPL, and not a requirement of all open +</I>><i> source licenses. In fact, even the FSF admits that not all open source +</I>><i> licenses have this provision. +</I> +Read the free software definition : +<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html</A> +"Thus, you should be free to redistribute copies, either with or without +modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to +anyone anywhere". + +Or read the open source definition : +<A HREF="http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd">http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd</A> + +><i> The FSF page +</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses</A>> +</I>><i> lists the Xinetd license +</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License</A>> +</I>><i> as a free software license which is not compatible with GPL. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why ? It cannot be redistributed for a fee. +</I> +That's not the reason given on the fsf page : +"It is incompatible because it places extra restrictions on +redistribution of modified versions that contradict the redistribution +requirements in the GPL". + +If you read the license you will see that there are restrictions in the +version number that can be used in modified version. But I think the +license allows redistribution for a fee. + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3417">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3417">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3417">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3417">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003418.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003418.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0bf1e4314 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003418.html @@ -0,0 +1,118 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C1300413624.12211.85.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003417.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003419.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C1300413624.12211.85.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 03:00:24 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003417.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3418">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3418">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3418">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3418">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 17 mars 2011 à 21:05 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +><i> Michael Scherer a écrit : +</I> +><i> > So I cannot distribute it by selling a CD, since this would subject the +</I>><i> > distribution to a fee. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Only if the CD contained only (or primarily) Mozilla products would I +</I>><i> say that you would reason for concern. For an officiel Mageia iso, that +</I>><i> would be very far from the case. +</I> +So the people ( commercial abusers ) who want to sell Firefox can simply +say "you can pay to get Mozilla Firefox and Gimp and VLC and Audacity" +and then say "but that's not primarily Mozilla" and get away with it. +While maybe this is so simple, I doubt that no one thought of it before. + +><i> > The article of the FSF explicitly list this as a right for free software +</I>><i> > users <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html</A> . +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That is a provision of unmodified GPL, and not a requirement of all open +</I>><i> source licenses. In fact, even the FSF admits that not all open source +</I>><i> licenses have this provision. +</I> +See <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney</A> +"Yes, the GPL allows everyone to do this. The right to sell copies is +part of the definition of free software." + +><i> The FSF page +</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses">http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#SoftwareLicenses</A>> +</I>><i> lists the Xinetd license +</I>><i> <<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License</A>> +</I>><i> as a free software license which is not compatible with GPL. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Why ? It cannot be redistributed for a fee. +</I> +No, I think you misinterpret this : + +"The author (Panagiotis Tsirigotis) grants permission to use, copy, +and distribute this software and its documentation for any purpose +and without fee, ..." + +That's the granted permission that is offered by the author without fee. + +Ie, _I_, as a user or coder, do not pay anything to have the right to +distribute, use, copy the software and documentation for any purpose. + +Moreover "any purpose" seems to me rather clear, and for me, that also +mean also "sell it". + +Finally, there is also several examples of licenses that forbid charging +for distribution : +* Aladdin Free Public License +* AT&T Public License, point 7 +* Reciprocal Public License ( first point ) +* Simple Machines License +* YaST License + +And all of thoses are in the section "Non-Free Software Licenses". + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003417.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3418">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3418">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3418">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3418">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003419.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003419.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2df0ccb16 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003419.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C201103180223.p2I2NZBC092877%40smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003418.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003404.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>Dick Gevers</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C201103180223.p2I2NZBC092877%40smtp-vbr11.xs4all.nl%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">dvgevers at xs4all.nl + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 03:23:34 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3419">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3419">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3419">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3419">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 03:00:24 +0100, Michael Scherer wrote about Re: +[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package: + +><i>No, I think you misinterpret this : +</I>><i> +</I>><i>"The author (Panagiotis Tsirigotis) grants permission to use, copy, +</I>><i>and distribute this software and its documentation for any purpose +</I>><i>and without fee, ..." +</I>><i> +</I>><i>That's the granted permission that is offered by the author without fee. +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Ie, _I_, as a user or coder, do not pay anything to have the right to +</I>><i>distribute, use, copy the software and documentation for any purpose. +</I>><i> +</I>><i>Moreover "any purpose" seems to me rather clear, and for me, that also +</I>><i>mean also "sell it". +</I> + +I know zero about licensing, but I dare to say I understand the English +language reasonably well and I claim - with all respect - that this +interpretation is wrong, because: + +The quote says you have permission ... to distribute ... without fee, so +"selling" (giving it in exchange for value) is exactly the opposite. + +In other words, "selling" in this context can also be destribed as: +"distributing for a fee". + +The meaning of "purpose" in your quote means 'what the recipient is going to +do with it while (s)he has it', for example: + +* look at it +* frame it +* store it for reference +* put it to work in a machine +* copy it for future redistribution +* burn it +* bury it +* show its content within a wiki + +etcetera. This does not include selling: by the act of selling the "purpose" +would shift to the buyer - against a fee. + +That's my 2 c. + +Ciao, +=Dick Gevers= +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3419">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3419">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3419">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3419">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003420.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003420.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..68ff805f2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003420.html @@ -0,0 +1,221 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82C22B.5010808%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003407.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003432.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82C22B.5010808%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 03:23:39 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003407.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3420">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3420">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3420">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3420">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Quote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:26 +</I>>>>><i> ---------------------------------------------------- +</I>>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the +</I>>>>>><i> license +</I>>>>>>>><i> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have +</I>>>>>><i> to +</I>>>>>>>><i> rename/rebrand it. +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Is it different than firefox license terms ? +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Same rules AFAIK, see +</I>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Indeed, exactly the same rules. +</I>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I don't see why we need to change the name. The policy says: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config +</I>>>>><i> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need +</I>>>>><i> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for +</I>>>>><i> your compiled version." +</I>>>><i> +</I>... +>>><i> And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs : +</I>>>><i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> These are mosty against obsolete versions of Seamonkey. (Which may predate +</I>>><i> the current Mozilla policy.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is the package for version 2.0.12, which is the latest version, +</I>><i> released 2 weeks ago. Is this what you call an obsolete version ? +</I> +Didn't notice that, about 5 pages down. And they were mostly +localisation modules, I assume unmodified. In any case, most +correctives should be available in (Mozilla) cvs. +There were pages of entries for the obsolete versions 1.17 or before, +which I believe predates the Mozilla policy change. + +><i> And the Mozilla policy is not new, I doubt the patches predate the +</I>><i> policy ... +</I>><i> +</I>... +>><i> +</I>>><i> Note also that if applied patches come from Mozilla, that shouldn't require +</I>>><i> permission. (And Mozilla issues a lot of patches, particularly for +</I>>><i> security.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is not security patches. Did you look at the patches ? +</I> +Whatever, they could come from Mozilla. +If a bug is found, it can easily be submitted to Mozilla, and applied +once accepted, from cvs -- which doesn't have to await another release. + +><i> By the way, did you really see Mozilla issue a lot of patches ? +</I>><i> They usually don't release patch on their ftp server, and only release +</I>><i> new tarballs for new versions when they need to fix security issues. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And did you really see anything in the policy talking about patches +</I>><i> coming from Mozilla, or is it just an other random statement ? +</I> +Did you happen to notice the references to obtaining the source code +from (Mozilla) cvs ? + +Surprisingly, that is where they put their patches. And no, it is not a +random statement. I have downloaded Mozilla patches from cvs. +(Much if not most are to scripts, very easily applied without even +recompiling.) + +>><i> As well, we don't use the logo for advertising, we are just repackaging the +</I>>><i> software as part of our distribution. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We are using the logo and the name, so we need to follow the policy (or +</I>><i> use rebranded version). +</I> +We are not using the logo and name outside of the product itself, which +as I understand remains unchanged. + +>><i> It might install in a somewhat different location, but that doesn't change +</I>>><i> the contained binaries or scripts. Also, binaries distributed by Mozilla +</I>>><i> without installer (in a compressed file) can be installed (almost) anywhere +</I>>><i> one likes. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The list of changes that require permision to use the Mozilla Marks +</I>><i> includes "file location changes". Did you read the policy ? +</I> +I read it. Are you saying that an installer version is chosen and the +install locations are changed, or that a non-installer version is +chosen, and the relative locations are changed by Mageia compiles ? +If it wasn't clear, my point is that we can work around that without +problem. + +>>><i> Also the "do not charge for it" would make it non free (but it does not +</I>>>><i> seem to be mentioned in the "Modifications" section, only in the +</I>>>><i> "Unaltered Binaries" section). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Why would "do not charge for it" make it non-free ? +</I>>><i> That doesn't seem to be a requirement of open source. Although charging +</I>>><i> for it is generally permitted in unmodified open source licenses. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Did you read the open source definition ? +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd">http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd</A> +</I>><i> First line says : "The license shall not restrict any party from selling +</I>><i> or giving away the software ..." +</I> +You forgot the rest of the sentence, which reads : "... as a component +of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several +different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee +for such sale." +In other words, no bar on forbidding the sale of a particular component +in itself. Which, as I understand it, is compatible with the position +of Mozilla. +In a previous post in this thread, I pointed out that the FSF considers +the Xinetd license to be a free software license, albeit not compatible +with GPL. The Xinetd license contains a clause not permitting selling +the software. +See <<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/Xinetd_License</A>> + +><i> You're talking about a policy that you didn't read. +</I> +Or perhaps you didn't understand what I said ... + +><i> You're talking about "open source" while you didn't read the definition. +</I> +Or more exactly, that you didn't finish reading the sentence. Or maybe +you didn't understand ? +Note that you chose the OSI definition of open source -- and evidently. +there are others. + +><i> It would be nice if you could stop sending emails with almost only false informations, and instead only +</I> talk about what you know, or take the time to check what you're saying. + +Sorry that you feel so challenged by differing opinions ... + +>>><i> So maybe we need to request permission, as explained in the +</I>>>><i> "Modifications" section. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't think we need to, but we can always confirm via +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">trademarks at mozilla.com</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It probably won't be a problem to get permission, but we need to ask. +</I>><i> I think Romain plans to see this with people from Mozilla europe. +</I> +Like I said, we can always confirm. + +Btw, it's great to have these nice friendly discussions, with free and +open exchange of opinion -- don't you think ? :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003407.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3420">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3420">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3420">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3420">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003421.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003421.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0d81226b2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003421.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RFT%3A%20Thunderbird%2C%20gnomevfs%20vs.%20GIO&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinZEs0jBGz3FUZH5G0C6UHuPwhFdY-p0CS6_%2BhW%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003414.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003431.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RFT%3A%20Thunderbird%2C%20gnomevfs%20vs.%20GIO&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinZEs0jBGz3FUZH5G0C6UHuPwhFdY-p0CS6_%2BhW%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 03:27:24 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003414.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3421">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3421">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3421">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3421">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18 March 2011 00:25, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> gnome-vfs has been deprecated by Gvfs/GIO a long time ago[1]. I think +</I>><i> now is a good time thunderbird gets built with gio support (and +</I>><i> disable gnome-vfs support); it's long enough before Mageia's first +</I>><i> stable release that bugs with tb-with-gio-support can be fixed or the +</I>><i> change reverted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If no one objects I'll push a new package; so when/if that happens, +</I>><i> keep an eye out on thunderbird in Cauldron and report any issues that +</I>><i> hit you after updating. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> [1] <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gvfs">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gvfs</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Ahmad Samir +</I>><i> +</I> +Please disregard the above; ideally we could wait until upstream +enables GIO support by default. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003414.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3421">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3421">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3421">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3421">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003422.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003422.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b7caeb8a1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003422.html @@ -0,0 +1,148 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82DCE0.6060006%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003416.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003405.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C4D82DCE0.6060006%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 05:17:36 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003416.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3422">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3422">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3422">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3422">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Romain d'Alverny a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 10:51, nicolas vigier<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>>>><i> On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Romain d'Alverny wrote: +</I>>>>>><i> Wasn''t there a license change regarding the Firefox logo in the end +</I>>>>>><i> of 2010, that was related to this? +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Yes : +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933">http://glandium.org/blog/?p=933</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Right, thanks. But that doesn't solve the trademark usage issue, +</I>>>><i> actually. So the question is still open. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Romain +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> First of all, for a short period of time Mozilla seemed to require special +</I>>><i> permission to do _any_ redistribution based on Mozilla source code, a +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, they required permissions only when using their trademark. The +</I>><i> source code is free software, and can be used without permission. +</I> +Ok. I should have added "without changing the name". But that seems to +have been a misunderstanding, anyway. + +>><i> situation which was a response to commercial sites grossly abusing Mozilla +</I>>><i> software, essentially defrauding end-users in the name of Mozilla. +</I>>><i> Subsequently they clarified their policy (but forgot to update their site +</I>>><i> for a while.) +</I>>><i> (The iceweavel project, created in reaction to this problem, died shortly +</I>>><i> after Mozilla clarified their policy.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The iceweavel project is still alive, and still used in Debian at the +</I>><i> moment, so it did not die shortly after Mozilla clarified their policy. +</I> +I was going by posts of a number of contributors to the project. So the +phoenix is alive ... :) + +><i> And Mozilla did not change their policy. What they changed is the license +</I>><i> of the logo, which was not available under a free license but is now +</I>><i> available under the MPL, GPL or LGPL license (but still protected by +</I>><i> trademark, which is different than copyright). +</I> +Which is the policy I was referring to ... + +>><i> According to their site, the clarified policy says essentially that +</I>>><i> as long as +</I>>><i> 1) we don't modify the source code (other than applying Mozilla-originated +</I>>><i> patches, which we can do by updating from their cvs), and +</I>>><i> 2) we don't charge for the code, +</I>>><i> we can redistribute Mozilla products using the name, trademarks and logos. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The "don't charge" is only for Unaltered Binaries distribution. +</I> +It is under the "unaltered binaries" heading, but includes compiled +unmodified source code, which need not contain the installer. +(A version without installer has always been available.) + +Since source code can be downloaded from Mozilla cvs, where patches are +available, much if not all code needed could come from directly from +Mozilla. +Thus meeting Mozilla trademark conditions, without requiring special +permission. +However it doesn't hurt to confirm ... + +>><i> As far as I know, Mandriva has never modified the source code, other than +</I>>><i> applying Mozilla security patches. And I don't see us at Mageia wanting to +</I>>><i> do so either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As already said, our package includes some small patches : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/">http://svnweb.mageia.org/packages/cauldron/firefox/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I> +Ok. How much of that is not available directly from Mozilla ? + +Maybe we should get permission anyway, but I think it would be a good +idea to submit any patches upstream, and pull (especially security) +patches from Mozilla cvs. +(cvs will evidently be a lot more uptodate than releases - sometimes by +several months, as they finish more critical security fixes.) + +Then we won't have a problem being out of sync, with a lot more patches +to maintain. +Even if a patch comes from Fedora or elsewhere, we could still send it +upstream first. +This will affect Firefox a lot more than Seamonkey, which is usually a +step behind. 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+</I> +I think it's a good idea. +Of course keeping hal itself for the interim, but removing hal +dependancies in other packages. + +Contributors like myself would appreciate knowing with what to replace +hal references with, by package. +Or should we just follow the links above ? + +(For the moment I'm working on something else, but should be available +soon.) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003424.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3423">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3423">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3423">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3423">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003424.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003424.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..85e322141 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003424.html @@ -0,0 +1,110 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C4D830449.7070301%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003423.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003426.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C4D830449.7070301%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 08:05:45 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003423.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? 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Looks like it's growing much too fast. So one job for next beta +</I>><i> would be to investigate on this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - check real size +</I>><i> - check deps +</I>><i> - check rpmsrate for isos +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Comments welcome +</I>><i> +</I>good question +In principle, I think it should be something required by virtually any +working Mageia system. + +I notice that there is a "basesystem-minimal" and a "basesystem", which +adds requires "kernel" and "bootloader" ?! +(Both of which seem kind of essential ;) ) + +We should probably drop the distinction. (They are in the same source +task package anyway.) +If we keep the distinction, we could make "basesystem" optional, and +include not-absolutely-necessary-but-almost type packages. This would +make it easier to reduce "basesystem-minimal" in size. +(We could then maybe change the names to "basesystem" and +"basesystem-plus" ? ) + +At first glance, most of the requires seem pretty basic to any realistic +minimal Linux system. +The only thing I notice that is optional and somewhat big is vim (some +20M), but some sort of editor is needed. And it is pretty standard in +*nix type environments. (Not my favorite, but even I know how to use vim.) +We could always find an alternative, but it has to function without X. + +We could save a lot of space without the bootloader and the kernel, but +that would make it _really_ hard to get up and running :) + +In sum, it's not apparent how we could save much space. + +my (meandering) 2 cents :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003423.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003426.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3424">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3424">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3424">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3424">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003425.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003425.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f7348262b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003425.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Alpha%202%20fresh%20install%20dvd%20i586&In-Reply-To=%3C4D830822.1030206%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003427.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003428.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Alpha%202%20fresh%20install%20dvd%20i586&In-Reply-To=%3C4D830822.1030206%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 08:22:10 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003428.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3425">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3425">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3425">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3425">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 2011/3/17 JA Magallón<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">jamagallon at ono.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If this option is not clearly visible, you can easily wipe windows boot +</I>>><i> menu and many users will be disappointed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> No, because Mageia grub recognises a Windows installation and adds it +</I>><i> to the boot menue. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But I agree, although former Mandriva users are aware of this way of +</I>><i> the installer we should document it clearly, like: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> "The bootloader will be configured according to automatic detection of +</I>><i> available installations on your harddisk. If you want to chack and/or +</I>><i> change the configuration you can do so by hitting the "Configure" +</I>><i> button in the summary. +</I>><i> Note that the bootloader will not be written to the harddisk before +</I>><i> you leave the summary." +</I> +good idea + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003428.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3425">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3425">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3425">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3425">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003426.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003426.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a4fae5bd0 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003426.html @@ -0,0 +1,102 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Do_3s_nMW5%3DThjt1C4TJMndo7%2BwKy0yf7OX_x7%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003424.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003427.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1</H1> + <B>Pascal Terjan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Do_3s_nMW5%3DThjt1C4TJMndo7%2BwKy0yf7OX_x7%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1">pterjan at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 08:35:29 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003424.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3426">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3426">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3426">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3426">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 08:05, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> In principle, I think it should be something required by virtually any +</I>><i> working Mageia system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I notice  that there is a "basesystem-minimal" and a "basesystem", which +</I>><i> adds requires "kernel" and "bootloader" ?! +</I>><i> (Both of which seem kind of essential ;) ) +</I> +Not if you want to create a chroot, you can then have a Mageia system +without a kernel or bootloader + +><i> We should probably drop the distinction. (They are in the same source task +</I>><i> package anyway.) +</I>><i> If we keep the distinction, we could make "basesystem" optional, and include +</I>><i> not-absolutely-necessary-but-almost type packages.  This would make it +</I>><i> easier to reduce "basesystem-minimal" in size. +</I>><i> (We could then maybe change the names to "basesystem" and "basesystem-plus" +</I>><i> ? ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> At first glance, most of the requires seem pretty basic to any realistic +</I>><i> minimal Linux system. +</I>><i> The only thing I notice that is optional and somewhat big is vim (some 20M), +</I>><i> but some sort of editor is needed.  And it is pretty standard in *nix type +</I>><i> environments.  (Not my favorite, but even I know how to use vim.) +</I>><i> We could always find an alternative, but it has to function without X. +</I> +The point is not to check what is required directly by the package but +what is required by that dependencies +i.e. urpmq -d basesystem-minimal to check if something strange gets pulled in + +><i> We could save a lot of space without the bootloader and the kernel, but that +</I>><i> would make it _really_ hard to get up and running :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> In sum, it's not apparent how we could save much space. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my (meandering) 2 cents :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> André +</I>><i> +</I></PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003424.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3426">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3426">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3426">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3426">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003427.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003427.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b9f41a76f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003427.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinRWJJS8eTauHui-aov_EvM%3DZHUi0dAcxPzEkaH%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003426.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003425.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinRWJJS8eTauHui-aov_EvM%3DZHUi0dAcxPzEkaH%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 08:54:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003426.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003425.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3427">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3427">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3427">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3427">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18 March 2011 08:05, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +><i> good question +</I>><i> In principle, I think it should be something required by virtually any +</I>><i> working Mageia system. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I notice  that there is a "basesystem-minimal" and a "basesystem", which +</I>><i> adds requires "kernel" and "bootloader" ?! +</I>><i> (Both of which seem kind of essential ;) ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We should probably drop the distinction. (They are in the same source task +</I>><i> package anyway.) +</I> +NOOOOOO! +I did this on purpose, so that we build iurt chroots faster in the BS, +and the like. +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003426.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003425.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3427">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3427">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3427">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3427">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003428.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003428.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9770e9e6c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003428.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103181019.51403.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003425.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003429.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1</H1> + <B>P. Christeas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103181019.51403.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1">p_christ at hol.gr + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 09:19:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003425.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3428">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3428">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3428">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3428">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thursday 17 March 2011, Anne nicolas wrote: +><i> Hi there +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We've had quite a lot of comments, proved or not, about base system +</I>><i> size. Looks like it's growing much too fast. So one job for next beta +</I>><i> would be to investigate on this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - check real size +</I>><i> - check deps +</I>><i> - check rpmsrate for isos +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Comments welcome +</I>Candidate for dependency-breaking: + +urpmq -d system-config-printer +urpmq -d drakconf + + +-- +Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows! +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003425.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3428">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3428">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3428">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3428">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003429.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003429.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..e141cf8ea --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003429.html @@ -0,0 +1,164 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318100712.21d9185e%40werewolf.home%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003428.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003430.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1</H1> + <B>JA Magallón</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318100712.21d9185e%40werewolf.home%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1">jamagallon at ono.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 10:07:12 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003428.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3429">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3429">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3429">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3429">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:14:14 +0100, Anne nicolas <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: + +><i> Hi there +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We've had quite a lot of comments, proved or not, about base system +</I>><i> size. Looks like it's growing much too fast. So one job for next beta +</I>><i> would be to investigate on this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - check real size +</I>><i> - check deps +</I>><i> - check rpmsrate for isos +</I>><i> ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Comments welcome +</I>><i> +</I> +I did a fast-n-dirty check: + + +urpmq -d basesystem > pkg.lst +(clean pkg.lst from options like *|*|*) +wc -l pkg.lst +rpm -q --qf "%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n" $(cat pkg.lst) | sort -rn | head -n 20 + +mageia-alpha2: + +paradise:~/bs# wc -l pkg.lst +359 pkg.lst +paradise:~/bs# rpm -q --qf "%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n" $(cat pkg.lst) | sort -rn | head -n 20 +45506337 kernel-desktop-2.6.37.4-1.mga +40791645 perl +25020180 glibc +19551741 gtk+2.0 +12553946 coreutils +10865049 nss +9223562 seahorse +8571631 gnome-icon-theme +8546929 cracklib-dicts +7918625 initscripts +6868616 lib64smbclient0 +6820286 gnupg2 +6613652 gnome-disk-utility +6078776 GConf2 +5991009 util-linux-ng +5875196 lib64gtk+-x11-2.0_0 +5534040 libgphoto-common +5034247 gnome-keyring +4954052 gnupg +4832218 glib2.0-common + +mandriva-cooker: + +werewolf:~/bs# wc -l pkg.lst +307 pkg.lst +werewolf:~/bs# rpm -q --qf "%{SIZE} %{NAME}\n" $(cat pkg.lst) | sort -rn | head -n 20 +45503738 kernel-desktop-2.6.37.2-1mnb +25020574 glibc +19551741 gtk+2.0 +12600040 coreutils +9774536 lib64krb53 +9250961 seahorse +8547843 cracklib-dicts +7249556 initscripts +6938280 lib64smbclient0 +6815473 gnupg2 +6613652 gnome-disk-utility +6082605 GConf2 +5992302 util-linux-ng +5875196 lib64gtk+-x11-2.0_0 +5566480 libgphoto-common +5128599 gnome-keyring +4974163 gnupg +4852925 glib2.0-common +4790715 ldetect-lst +3541467 xfsprogs + +Big differences: perl+nss+gnome-icon-theme = 60Mb. +It looks strange that nothing is pulling perl in cooker, is it a bug ? + +The rest is a big cherry-picking work... + +Perhaps the problem is not basesystem itself. +I noticed that the installer in alpha2 installs a lot of things (many +kde things, I seem to remember) even before asking about what desktop +env the user wants. +Perhaps the problem is in the installer... + +Anyways, a x86-64 mageia system (without texlive ;) ) with some added programs +I needed after the install, and after deleting all kde|qt|plasma is now at: + +paradise:~/bs# df +Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on +/dev/sda1 ext4 39G 3.2G 34G 9% / +/dev/sda2 btrfs 108G 56K 106G 1% /scratch/local + +Texlive adds like another 1.5Gb to the payload. + +Just a quick check. + +-- +J.A. 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Looks like it's growing much too fast. So one job for next beta +</I>><i> would be to investigate on this: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - check real size +</I>><i> - check deps +</I>><i> - check rpmsrate for isos +</I>><i> ... +</I> +We can redo what I did back at Mandriva: +See <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=53376">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=53376</A> +><i> Summary of basesystems: +</I>><i> 10.2: 80Mb +</I>><i> 2005: 80Mb +</I>><i> 2006.0: 101Mb +</I>><i> 2007.0: 125Mb +</I>><i> 2007.1: 108Mb +</I>><i> 2008.0: 113MB +</I>><i> 2008.1: 125MB +</I>><i> 2009.0: 136Mb +</I>><i> 2009.1: 153Mb +</I>><i> cooker(2009/02): 437Mb +</I>><i> cooker(2009/02) w/o suggests:179Mb +</I> +Before pixel left, he & me fixed bogus suggests that ending having +gnome stuff in basesystem +when not using --no-suggests. +Then pascal terjan added no suggest support in minimal install in drakx. + +But we need to break again bad dependancies +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003435.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3430">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3430">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3430">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3430">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003431.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003431.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b9eacdc3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003431.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RFT%3A%20Thunderbird%2C%20gnomevfs%20vs.%20GIO&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimULXeSNH1zyHUFWo3VUO7SFU2DFKv01131rhKi%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003421.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003433.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RFT%3A%20Thunderbird%2C%20gnomevfs%20vs.%20GIO&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimULXeSNH1zyHUFWo3VUO7SFU2DFKv01131rhKi%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 10:50:30 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003421.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003433.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3431">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3431">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3431">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3431">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 18 March 2011 03:27, Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +>><i> gnome-vfs has been deprecated by Gvfs/GIO a long time ago[1]. I think +</I>>><i> now is a good time thunderbird gets built with gio support (and +</I>>><i> disable gnome-vfs support); it's long enough before Mageia's first +</I>>><i> stable release that bugs with tb-with-gio-support can be fixed or the +</I>>><i> change reverted. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If no one objects I'll push a new package; so when/if that happens, +</I>>><i> keep an eye out on thunderbird in Cauldron and report any issues that +</I>>><i> hit you after updating. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> [1] <A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gvfs">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Gvfs</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please disregard the above; ideally we could wait until upstream +</I>><i> enables GIO support by default. +</I> +If it was done by other distro, we can do it too. +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003421.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003433.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3431">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3431">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3431">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3431">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003432.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003432.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..99fad014a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003432.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318101815.GH21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003420.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003408.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20Seamonkey%20package&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318101815.GH21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 11:18:15 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3432">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3432">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3432">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3432">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: + +><i> nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> On Thu, 17 Mar 2011, andre999 wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> nicolas vigier a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> Quote: Christiaan Welvaart wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 23:26 +</I>>>>>><i> ---------------------------------------------------- +</I>>>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, nicolas vigier wrote: +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, Christiaan Welvaart wrote: +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>>><i> Unfortunately the seamonkey name and logos are trademarked and the +</I>>>>>>><i> license +</I>>>>>>>>><i> terms are most likely not acceptable so it seems to me we'll have +</I>>>>>>><i> to +</I>>>>>>>>><i> rename/rebrand it. +</I>>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>>><i> Is it different than firefox license terms ? +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> Same rules AFAIK, see +</I>>>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html">http://www.mozilla.org/foundation/trademarks/policy.html</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Indeed, exactly the same rules. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I don't see why we need to change the name. The policy says: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> "If you compile Mozilla unmodified source code (including code and config +</I>>>>>><i> files in the installer) and do not charge for it, you do not need +</I>>>>>><i> additional permission from Mozilla to use the relevant Mozilla Mark(s) for +</I>>>>>><i> your compiled version." +</I>>>>><i> +</I>><i> ... +</I>>>>><i> And it seems mandriva seamonkey package also has some patchs : +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/packages/cooker/seamonkey/current/SOURCES/</A> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> These are mosty against obsolete versions of Seamonkey. (Which may predate +</I>>>><i> the current Mozilla policy.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> This is the package for version 2.0.12, which is the latest version, +</I>>><i> released 2 weeks ago. Is this what you call an obsolete version ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Didn't notice that, about 5 pages down. And they were mostly localisation +</I>><i> modules, I assume unmodified. In any case, most correctives should be +</I>><i> available in (Mozilla) cvs. +</I> +I'm not talking localisation modules, I'm talking about the patches. + +And I doubt you will find anything interesting for new versions on +Mozilla CVS as they have been using Mercurial for a few years now ... + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3432">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3432">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3432">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3432">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003433.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003433.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..21597d2a7 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003433.html @@ -0,0 +1,62 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RFT%3A%20Thunderbird%2C%20gnomevfs%20vs.%20GIO&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8334F7.4080009%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003431.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003445.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20RFT%3A%20Thunderbird%2C%20gnomevfs%20vs.%20GIO&In-Reply-To=%3C4D8334F7.4080009%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 11:33:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3433">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3433">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3433">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3433">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 03/17/2011 10:27 PM, Ahmad Samir wrote: +><i> On 18 March 2011 00:25, Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> gnome-vfs has been deprecated by Gvfs/GIO a long time ago[1]. +</I>Has this any relation to <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=400</A> ? 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+</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm uploading them... +</I> +I've uploaded most ibus/scim/uim stuff. +I gave up on tomoe for now. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003401.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003403.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3434">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3434">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3434">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3434">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003435.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003435.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1f9772227 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003435.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318162212.GI21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003430.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003436.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318162212.GI21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 17:22:12 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3435">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3435">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3435">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3435">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hello, + +When we are removing a package from svn because it is no more wanted on +the repository, we usually do "svn rm". However it makes it more +difficult to see old packages, or see it existed if we want to reimport +it. So I think it would be better to move it to an other directory. + +Packages are currently in this directory : + svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> +With binary files in : + svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron</A> + +And I think we could create this one to move removed packages : + svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes</A> +And the same for binrepos : + svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes</A> + +mgarepo can have a command to remove a package, and move it to the +obsoletes directory on both repositories (as suggested in bug #318). + +What do you think ? + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3435">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3435">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3435">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3435">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003436.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003436.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..40e8ed897 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003436.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C201103181730.08426.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003435.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003437.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C201103181730.08426.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 17:30:08 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003435.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3436">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3436">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3436">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3436">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 17:22:12 schreef nicolas vigier: +><i> Hello, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When we are removing a package from svn because it is no more wanted on +</I>><i> the repository, we usually do "svn rm". However it makes it more +</I>><i> difficult to see old packages, or see it existed if we want to reimport +</I>><i> it. So I think it would be better to move it to an other directory. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Packages are currently in this directory : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> With binary files in : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I think we could create this one to move removed packages : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> And the same for binrepos : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> mgarepo can have a command to remove a package, and move it to the +</I>><i> obsoletes directory on both repositories (as suggested in bug #318). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you think ? +</I> +i never used the remove yet, but i'm not adverse to an mgarepo command that +removes package from svn. + +if it moves it to an archived tree, instead of being really deleted, i have no +objection to that either, pending approval from -sysadmin about size +requirements. +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003435.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3436">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3436">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3436">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3436">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003437.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003437.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a923838ae --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003437.html @@ -0,0 +1,88 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3y64cgz47.fsf%40blino.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003436.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003438.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn</H1> + <B>Olivier Blin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3Cm3y64cgz47.fsf%40blino.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn">mageia at blino.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 17:41:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003438.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3437">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3437">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3437">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3437">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> writes: + +><i> Hello, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> When we are removing a package from svn because it is no more wanted on +</I>><i> the repository, we usually do "svn rm". However it makes it more +</I>><i> difficult to see old packages, or see it existed if we want to reimport +</I>><i> it. So I think it would be better to move it to an other directory. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Packages are currently in this directory : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> With binary files in : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And I think we could create this one to move removed packages : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> And the same for binrepos : +</I>><i> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> mgarepo can have a command to remove a package, and move it to the +</I>><i> obsoletes directory on both repositories (as suggested in bug #318). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What do you think ? +</I> +It makes sense. +But why the extra "s" in the "obsoletes" name? +"obsolete" seems better + +-- +Olivier Blin - blino +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003438.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3437">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3437">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3437">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3437">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003438.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003438.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fda2b65e4 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003438.html @@ -0,0 +1,68 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318165104.GJ21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003437.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003446.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318165104.GJ21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 17:51:04 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3438">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3438">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3438">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3438">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Olivier Blin wrote: + +><i> +</I>><i> It makes sense. +</I>><i> But why the extra "s" in the "obsoletes" name? +</I>><i> "obsolete" seems better +</I> +I was not sure. 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(VM has 1cpu + 512 MB RAM) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - after about 10% i see an error message: +</I>><i> i tried to take screenshots of everything... but there was alot. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> * it started with conflicts of /usr/share/doc/HTML/kcontrol/ that was moved +</I>><i> from kdebase to kderuntime or something +</I>><i> * alot of X needed by Y stuff: from perl-base, x11, python, imagemagick +</I>><i> +</I>><i> it seems to (ironically) be bug #404 . the upgrade seems to stop and just +</I>><i> move on to configuration... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - the users step was skipped (seems normal) however, the item is still +</I>><i> there? - the bootloader step was done +</I>><i> - i don't know if it's a bug or not, but security level was marked as +</I>><i> "unconfigured" in the configuration step. +</I>><i> - i chose yes to updates +</I>><i> - during update the small font is still there (#67) +</I>><i> - it gave an error that "aria2 failed(exited with 127): unable to access +</I>><i> distribution medium (no media.cfg file found)" with a text below: "medium: +</I>><i> ()" (#426) +</I>><i> - it then proceeded to show the screen to reboot +</I>><i> - documentation asked to look on terminal to find out some stuff, but in my +</I>><i> vbox, pressing Function keys with alt didn't do anything, and ctrl-alt +</I>><i> switched me on the host, so i couldn't test that. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> so i rebooted. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - rebooting showed me the old grub (text + graphic), but seemed to boot +</I>><i> into mageia, (even after selecting mandriva). +</I>><i> - black background in DM +</I>><i> - logging in to KDE gives "could not start kdeinit4. check your +</I>><i> installation" and a second window behind it, about changing names of +</I>><i> folders. i was in a daring mood and clicked update names. and after that +</I>><i> on the "okay" button from the kde error message. it got me back to kdm, so +</I>><i> i clicked console login - seeing tty, i noticed it still said Mandriva +</I>><i> linux +</I>><i> - product.id + /etc/issue still unchanged +</I>><i> - urpmq --list-url showed me that the DVD was still listed as medium, so i +</I>><i> did the urpmi --auto-update +</I>><i> - "unable to access core media" but it continued with message: +</I>><i> - "some requested packages cannot be installed: dblatex, gtk-doc", i said +</I>><i> yes - "the following will be removed: " kmail, due to missing kio-* ; and +</I>><i> some others like mdkonline and some python stuff., i said yes +</I>><i> - then installing package step, 276 packages and 39MB will be freed., i +</I>><i> said yes. +</I>><i> - it said, please insert medium "core media" +</I>><i> - i ejected it in vbox and put it back in, that did the trick +</I>><i> - it tried to start and said i needed 86MB on / (out of disk space?) +</I>><i> - i removed tetex (it seemed to take 200M on /usr/share/texmf) with urpme +</I>><i> and it removed also 12 that depended on it dblatex and stuff +</I>><i> - i redid the autoupdate, and it asked again to insert medium core media, +</I>><i> but reinserting it didn't seem to work. also not inserting something else +</I>><i> first. - failing that, i removed the core media and set up urpmi sources +</I>><i> from online local media. alas it seemed aria2c didn't work due to libz and +</I>><i> libxml versions missing... +</I>><i> - specifying --wget option didn't help either, because my eth0 wasn't +</I>><i> present, but renamed to eth1, which didn't have a config, of course. +</I>><i> - after dhclient eth1 and shutting down firewall, and iptables service to +</I>><i> accept, that worked. +</I>><i> - it also showed the "2\n2" isn't numeric warning messages (#201) +</I>><i> - i also had to add --no-md5sum (due to md5sum check failed) +</I>><i> - i also got messages that it was unable to get pubkeys +</I>><i> - urpmi --auto-update --wget gave warnings but seemed to work, only 2 +</I>><i> packages were to be removed due to python < 2.7 +</I>><i> - after it ran, it seemd to be only related to urpmi update, and so it +</I>><i> restarted itself and asked me to remove libktorrent to proceed, i say yes +</I>><i> - it then said 300+ extra MB for 1700+ packages, i say yes +</I>><i> - it's halfway through installing atm, i'll go to sleep and tomorrow i'll +</I>><i> continue this. +</I> +continuing: + +- after installing, i rebooted +- no 2secs delay +- no F1 F2 F3 text bug, colors looks nice +- but, text and graphic of grub is updated +- choose mageia 1 +- kdm displays, and looks ok +- the konsoles that were open still open fine +- indexhtml page seems still not to work (#72) +- firebug doesn't work for the 4.0 rc1 (i suppose this is the disadvantage of +shipping firefox 4.0 branch, there is hardly any addon support) which reminds +me, there isn't a KDE plasma notifier addon installed as well. +- all games submenus have this weird cardlike icon, even arcade and others +- the "more" thing is still there and in it, is the "pulseaudio config +settings" ? +- the configure your computer icon is below the line in the system tools menu +- weird artifact bug when showing shutdown menu (#439) +- i sent missing rpms from mdv (#440) + +voila! upgrade test complete. + + +><i> this was a cloned machine, so it can be retested at a later date. or in +</I>><i> different ways. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my conclusion: +</I>><i> - totally not ready for upgrade via DVD. +</I>><i> - DVD upgrade method seems very unstable to me and takes way too much +</I>><i> time. - I would propose to change the DVD upgrade method, that it just +</I>><i> doesn't upgrade at all, except it installs a mgaupdate applet on the +</I>><i> mandriva, then reboots into mandriva, but sort of does an applet-y upgrade +</I>><i> there. +</I></PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3443">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3443">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3443">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3443">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003444.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003444.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..140b96e46 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003444.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103182143.10283.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003442.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20base%20system%20size%20for%20next%20beta1&In-Reply-To=%3C201103182143.10283.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 21:43:10 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003442.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3444">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3444">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3444">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3444">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 20:29:46 schreef Thierry Vignaud: +><i> 1) Please STOP creating new threads. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On 18 March 2011 20:13, 'Priscus' Hugot <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">wizzard at twa-corbies.net</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > I could have said it more clearly, then, but definitely not wrong: by +</I>><i> > installer, I (and most probably Magallón too) meant the DVD installer +</I>><i> > (as reported in the bugzilla). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I perfectly understand. +</I>><i> DVD installer does use urpmi +</I>><i> Hence this is why I replied to you that the issue is that alpha2's +</I>><i> installer didn't included the fixed meta-task's /etc/urpmi/prefer* +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > kdelibs4-core and phonon-gstreamer are automatic, invisible and +</I>><i> > mandatory package selections, whatever you do (possibly a matter of +</I>><i> > prefer.vendor.list, I'll admit I did not check that far). +</I> +could you mention that in the bug number as well? 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However it makes it more +</I>>><i> difficult to see old packages, or see it existed if we want to reimport +</I>>><i> it. So I think it would be better to move it to an other directory. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Packages are currently in this directory : +</I>>><i>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> +</I>>><i> With binary files in : +</I>>><i>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And I think we could create this one to move removed packages : +</I>>><i>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes</A> +</I>>><i> And the same for binrepos : +</I>>><i>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> mgarepo can have a command to remove a package, and move it to the +</I>>><i> obsoletes directory on both repositories (as suggested in bug #318). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What do you think ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It makes sense. +</I>><i> But why the extra "s" in the "obsoletes" name? +</I>><i> "obsolete" seems better +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Olivier Blin - blino +</I>><i> +</I> +I agree too, and having a command to remove the package from the +mirror should lessen sysadm work with regards to this (though I guess +some restrictions should be enforced... e.g. moving glibc from the +repos shouldn't be allowed for everyone....). + +Would it make sense that when doing 'mgarepo import' that the +/obsolete/ contents are checked too and the import is not allowed if +it exists in /obsolete/ ? this way instead of importing the package +afresh, an 'svn mv' should work, and the svn log is kept... + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003438.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3446">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3446">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3446">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3446">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003447.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003447.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7e4f45352 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003447.html @@ -0,0 +1,99 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C201103182310.51957.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003446.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003448.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C201103182310.51957.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 23:10:51 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3447">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3447">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3447">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3447">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op vrijdag 18 maart 2011 23:00:22 schreef Ahmad Samir: +><i> On 18 March 2011 18:41, Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> writes: +</I>><i> >> Hello, +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> When we are removing a package from svn because it is no more wanted on +</I>><i> >> the repository, we usually do "svn rm". However it makes it more +</I>><i> >> difficult to see old packages, or see it existed if we want to reimport +</I>><i> >> it. So I think it would be better to move it to an other directory. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Packages are currently in this directory : +</I>><i> >> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> >> With binary files in : +</I>><i> >> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> And I think we could create this one to move removed packages : +</I>><i> >> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> >> And the same for binrepos : +</I>><i> >> svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> mgarepo can have a command to remove a package, and move it to the +</I>><i> >> obsoletes directory on both repositories (as suggested in bug #318). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> What do you think ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It makes sense. +</I>><i> > But why the extra "s" in the "obsoletes" name? +</I>><i> > "obsolete" seems better +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Olivier Blin - blino +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree too, and having a command to remove the package from the +</I>><i> mirror should lessen sysadm work with regards to this (though I guess +</I>><i> some restrictions should be enforced... e.g. moving glibc from the +</I>><i> repos shouldn't be allowed for everyone....). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Would it make sense that when doing 'mgarepo import' that the +</I>><i> /obsolete/ contents are checked too and the import is not allowed if +</I>><i> it exists in /obsolete/ ? this way instead of importing the package +</I>><i> afresh, an 'svn mv' should work, and the svn log is kept... +</I> +nice thinking! i hadn't thought of that. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3447">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3447">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3447">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3447">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003448.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003448.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4fba5f908 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/003448.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318221522.GL21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="003447.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="003439.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn</H1> + <B>nicolas vigier</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20removing%20packages%20from%20svn&In-Reply-To=%3C20110318221522.GL21938%40mars-attacks.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn">boklm at mars-attacks.org + </A><BR> + <I>Fri Mar 18 23:15:22 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003439.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3448">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3448">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3448">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3448">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Sat, 19 Mar 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote: + +><i> On 18 March 2011 18:41, Olivier Blin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at blino.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > nicolas vigier <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>> writes: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> Hello, +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> When we are removing a package from svn because it is no more wanted on +</I>><i> >> the repository, we usually do "svn rm". However it makes it more +</I>><i> >> difficult to see old packages, or see it existed if we want to reimport +</I>><i> >> it. So I think it would be better to move it to an other directory. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Packages are currently in this directory : +</I>><i> >>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> >> With binary files in : +</I>><i> >>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/cauldron</A> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> And I think we could create this one to move removed packages : +</I>><i> >>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/packages/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> >> And the same for binrepos : +</I>><i> >>  svn+<A HREF="ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes">ssh://svnweb.mageia.org/svn/binrepos/obsoletes</A> +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> mgarepo can have a command to remove a package, and move it to the +</I>><i> >> obsoletes directory on both repositories (as suggested in bug #318). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> What do you think ? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > It makes sense. +</I>><i> > But why the extra "s" in the "obsoletes" name? +</I>><i> > "obsolete" seems better +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > -- +</I>><i> > Olivier Blin - blino +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree too, and having a command to remove the package from the +</I>><i> mirror should lessen sysadm work with regards to this (though I guess +</I>><i> some restrictions should be enforced... e.g. moving glibc from the +</I>><i> repos shouldn't be allowed for everyone....). +</I> +For now that's only to remove from svn. But later a tool to move/remove +packages on the repository would be useful too. + +><i> +</I>><i> Would it make sense that when doing 'mgarepo import' that the +</I>><i> /obsolete/ contents are checked too and the import is not allowed if +</I>><i> it exists in /obsolete/ ? this way instead of importing the package +</I>><i> afresh, an 'svn mv' should work, and the svn log is kept... +</I> +Good idea ! + +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="003439.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#3448">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#3448">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#3448">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#3448">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ad6febfd8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,287 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 18 March 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>18 March 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 00:08:05 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:22 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 48<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A><A NAME="3405"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003402.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A><A NAME="3402"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3437"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003428.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3428"> </A> +<I>P. Christeas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3419"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003433.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3433"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003414.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3414"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003439.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3439"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003441.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3441"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3429"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003421.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3421"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3445"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3446"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3406"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A><A NAME="3409"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3410"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3418"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003426.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3426"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3411"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3412"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3436"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3443"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003444.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3444"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3447"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003401.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3401"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3427"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3430"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3431"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003434.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3434"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003440.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3440"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003442.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3442"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003403.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3403"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3404"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3415"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3420"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003422.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3422"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003423.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? 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+</A><A NAME="3402"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003401.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3401"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003403.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3403"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3404"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A><A NAME="3405"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3406"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003407.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3407"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3408"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A><A NAME="3409"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3410"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3411"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3412"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3413"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003414.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3414"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3415"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003416.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3416"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003417.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3417"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3418"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3419"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3420"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003421.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3421"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003422.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3422"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003423.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A><A NAME="3423"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003424.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3424"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003425.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 +</A><A NAME="3425"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003426.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3426"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3427"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003428.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3428"> </A> +<I>P. Christeas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3429"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3430"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3431"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3432"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003433.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3433"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003434.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3434"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003435.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3435"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3436"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3437"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003438.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3438"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003439.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3439"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003440.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3440"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003441.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3441"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003442.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3442"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3443"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003444.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3444"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3445"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3446"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3447"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3448"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:22 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:25 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/index.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/index.html new file mode 120000 index 000000000..db4b46f72 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/index.html @@ -0,0 +1 @@ +thread.html
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Christeas +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3429"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3430"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003439.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3439"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003440.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3440"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003441.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3441"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003442.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3442"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003444.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3444"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A><A NAME="3409"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003423.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A><A NAME="3423"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003402.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A><A NAME="3402"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003401.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3401"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003434.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3434"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003435.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3435"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3436"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3437"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003438.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3438"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3446"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3447"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3448"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003421.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3421"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3431"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003433.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3433"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3445"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003403.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3403"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3404"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3406"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003407.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3407"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3408"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3410"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3413"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3415"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003416.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3416"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003417.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3417"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3418"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3419"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3420"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003422.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3422"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3432"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3443"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3411"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:22 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:25 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3f60f5ddd --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110318/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,375 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 18 March 2011 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>18 March 2011 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 00:08:05 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:22 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 48<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01300403285- --> +<LI><A HREF="003402.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A><A NAME="3402"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<!--0 01300403335- --> +<LI><A HREF="003401.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3401"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300403335-01300451085- --> +<LI><A HREF="003434.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia default Input platform policy +</A><A NAME="3434"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01300404317- --> +<LI><A HREF="003403.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3403"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300404317-01300406078- --> +<LI><A HREF="003406.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3406"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300404317-01300406078-01300410304- --> +<LI><A HREF="003415.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3415"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300404317-01300406078-01300410304-01300412056- --> +<LI><A HREF="003417.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3417"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--3 01300404317-01300406078-01300410304-01300413624- --> +<LI><A HREF="003418.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3418"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01300404317-01300406078-01300410304-01300413624-01300415014- --> +<LI><A HREF="003419.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3419"> </A> +<I>Dick Gevers +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300404508- --> +<LI><A HREF="003404.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3404"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300404508-01300410672- --> +<LI><A HREF="003416.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3416"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300404508-01300410672-01300421856- --> +<LI><A HREF="003422.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3422"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300405785- --> +<LI><A HREF="003405.html">[Mageia-dev] ANNOUNCE: x11-server 1.10 +</A><A NAME="3405"> </A> +<I>Thomas Backlund +</I> + +<!--0 01300406260- --> +<LI><A HREF="003407.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3407"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300406260-01300415019- --> +<LI><A HREF="003420.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3420"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300406260-01300415019-01300443495- --> +<LI><A HREF="003432.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3432"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300406435- --> +<LI><A HREF="003408.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3408"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300406435-01300407458- --> +<LI><A HREF="003410.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3410"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300406435-01300407458-01300410007- --> +<LI><A HREF="003413.html">[Mageia-dev] Seamonkey package +</A><A NAME="3413"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300406728- --> +<LI><A HREF="003409.html">[Mageia-dev] Chroot problem this evening +</A><A NAME="3409"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--0 01300409713- --> +<LI><A HREF="003411.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3411"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300409713-01300477775- --> +<LI><A HREF="003443.html">[Mageia-dev] second impressions of mageia 1 alpha 2 (upgrade from MDV 2010 x86_64 PWP) +</A><A NAME="3443"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01300409942- --> +<LI><A HREF="003412.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3412"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--0 01300410227- --> +<LI><A HREF="003414.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3414"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<!--0 01300415244- --> +<LI><A HREF="003421.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3421"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300415244-01300441830- --> +<LI><A HREF="003431.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3431"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--1 01300415244-01300444407- --> +<LI><A HREF="003433.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3433"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300415244-01300444407-01300485155- --> +<LI><A HREF="003445.html">[Mageia-dev] RFT: Thunderbird, gnomevfs vs. GIO +</A><A NAME="3445"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300422951- --> +<LI><A HREF="003423.html">[Mageia-dev] HALectomy on mageia ? +</A><A NAME="3423"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01300431945- --> +<LI><A HREF="003424.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3424"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300431945-01300433729- --> +<LI><A HREF="003426.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3426"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<!--1 01300431945-01300434855- --> +<LI><A HREF="003427.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3427"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01300432930- --> +<LI><A HREF="003425.html">[Mageia-dev] Alpha 2 fresh install dvd i586 +</A><A NAME="3425"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01300436389- --> +<LI><A HREF="003428.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3428"> </A> +<I>P. Christeas +</I> + +<!--0 01300439232- --> +<LI><A HREF="003429.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3429"> </A> +<I>JA Magallón +</I> + +<!--0 01300441754- --> +<LI><A HREF="003430.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3430"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<!--0 01300465332- --> +<LI><A HREF="003435.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3435"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300465332-01300465808- --> +<LI><A HREF="003436.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3436"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--1 01300465332-01300466488- --> +<LI><A HREF="003437.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3437"> </A> +<I>Olivier Blin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300465332-01300466488-01300467064- --> +<LI><A HREF="003438.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3438"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +<!--2 01300465332-01300466488-01300485622- --> +<LI><A HREF="003446.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3446"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01300465332-01300466488-01300485622-01300486251- --> +<LI><A HREF="003447.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3447"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +<!--3 01300465332-01300466488-01300485622-01300486522- --> +<LI><A HREF="003448.html">[Mageia-dev] removing packages from svn +</A><A NAME="3448"> </A> +<I>nicolas vigier +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01300470687- --> +<LI><A HREF="003439.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3439"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300470687-01300473128- --> +<LI><A HREF="003440.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3440"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01300475596- --> +<LI><A HREF="003441.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3441"> </A> +<I>'Priscus' Hugot +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01300475596-01300476586- --> +<LI><A HREF="003442.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3442"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01300475596-01300476586-01300480990- --> +<LI><A HREF="003444.html">[Mageia-dev] base system size for next beta1 +</A><A NAME="3444"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:22 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Fri Mar 18 23:15:25 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |