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+ +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002758.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2757">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2757">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2757">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2757">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002758.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002758.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..005fc84b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002758.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3C1298504614.11734.177.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002757.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002762.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3C1298504614.11734.177.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 00:43:34 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002757.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002762.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2758">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2758">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2758">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2758">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi, + +while trying to fix some missing packages ( the locales-* ), I have +found myself looking at gibc packages. + +We still have support for various arch : +- alpha +- sparc* +- ppc + +Since alpha is dead ( last proc, 2003 ), I think we can all agree that +we can clean this. + +Now, for sparc and ppc, is there someone here who is willing to work on +a port ? If not, I will clean the support ( mainly removing %ifdef and +stuff like that ) from glibc.spec in 2 weeks. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002757.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002762.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2758">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2758">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2758">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2758">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002759.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002759.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ce00a8a8d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002759.html @@ -0,0 +1,131 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D65E753.9070301%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002784.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002773.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D65E753.9070301%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 06:06:27 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002784.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002773.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2759">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2759">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2759">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2759">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Thierry Vignaud a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 21 February 2011 08:51, P. Christeas<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">p_christ at hol.gr</A>> wrote: +</I>>>><i> What do you think about switching from defaulting to installing on raw +</I>>>><i> partitions to lvm +</I>>>><i> installing on LVs like fedora does ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I vote against that. (=to be enabled by default) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> LVM is fine for "enterprise" setups, or better, installations where the +</I>>><i> (expert) admin will need to resize/move partitions in the future. But, for +</I>>><i> simple machines/users, the complexity of having LVM is IMHO not worth it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> (remember also that on all *nix OSes, you can just add a partition, move some +</I>>><i> files like /usr/share/doc into it and then mount it on /usr/share/doc, thus +</I>>><i> freeing /usr of some space. No LVM, no virtualization, no ZFS required) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> It's not as easy as LVM (need to use a partitionner). +</I>><i> Diskdrake and the like will force you to umount the partitions to resize +</I>><i> which may needs to boot on a rescue CD (eg for resizing / fs) +</I>><i> It may not be possible ie: +</I> +A rescue CD like Sysrescuecd is easy to use and comes with all the tools +needed. +It would be nice if the rescue option of the eventual release Mageia +dvds contained the few utilities necessary for this. + +><i> - you already have 4 primary partitions and none of them is an extended one. +</I> +A gpt partition table solves this problem. +Standard gpt allows 128 partitions in less space than is typically used +with an mbr partition table with an extended partition. +As well, there is a backup partition table at the end of the disk, so it +is inherently more reliable. + +><i> - If you've a small 8Go partition at start of the disk followed by one +</I>><i> To partition +</I>><i> and you want to increase the first one, you're screwed without LVM +</I>><i> With LVM, you can just got some free space from anywhere (even another disk) +</I> +You can do that with symbolic links if you don't want to resize the +partitions. Although I wouldn't partition a disk like that in the first +place. (I prefer dividing a disk into a least several partitions. I +have 8 on my current system.) + +><i> What's more, one gains many features: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - snapshots (yes snapshots for sql db backups are not for end users) but still +</I>><i> usefull for saving the whole system at one fixed time +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - you can extend some filesystems from space from other disks +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - it's easier to add space where needed when defaults partitions sizing proved +</I>><i> to be altered after some usage +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - one can live resize (w/o umouting/remounting) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - one can use snapshots in order to rollback dangerous update +</I>><i> (eg: for trying initscript -> systemd switch, ...) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think it brings many usefull features. +</I>><i> Those who don't want LVM could still do manual partitionning. +</I> +These seem to be mostly enterprise-oriented factors, unless I'm missing +something. +For now at least, I prefer manual partitionning to be the default. + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002784.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002773.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2759">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2759">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2759">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2759">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002760.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002760.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..25323af48 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002760.html @@ -0,0 +1,101 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D65EB65.90306%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002778.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002761.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D65EB65.90306%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 06:23:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002778.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002761.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2760">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2760">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2760">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2760">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Anne nicolas a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 2011/2/21 Michael Scherer<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>>><i> Le lundi 21 février 2011 à 10:56 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>>><i> Another part of the discussion may be the fact that a large number of +</I>>>><i> users are running dual (or multiple) boot systems, keeping the +</I>>>><i> pre-installed Windows and adding Linux. Others will have Windows and +</I>>>><i> Mandriva, adding Mageia. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> While LVM may be nice if you are running one OS on one harddisk, it +</I>>>><i> may be not so easy when running 3 OS on one harddisk. Or different +</I>>>><i> installations of the same Linux (like stable version and cauldron). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I do run lvm on Fedora and mac os x without any trouble. Windows will +</I>>><i> not support any linux file system more than lvm, and the same goes for +</I>>><i> os x. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> For a linux system, a lvm logical volume is just another disk. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Apart from all possible issues, diskdrake needs first to be improved. +</I>><i> Looking on partitions when you run LVM still needs to have knowledge +</I>><i> about how it works. And I really don't think people can easily +</I>><i> understand PV, VG, LV and FS +</I> +One thing that needs to be fixed in diskdrake : Although it recognizes +and works with standard gpt partition tables -- an alternative to the +usual mbr partition tables -- it doesn't work properly with hybrid gpt +tables. (A version of gpt that allows dual-booting with ms-w.) +Gpt is inherently more stable than mbr, and the standard version allows +128 primary partitions -- in less space than normally wasted in a disk +with an mbr table. + + +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002778.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002761.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2760">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2760">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2760">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2760">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002761.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002761.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..5884245a8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002761.html @@ -0,0 +1,135 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%20problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D65F711.5060404%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002760.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002781.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20About%20panotools%20patent%20problem%20%28and%20other%0A%20problematic%20rpms%29&In-Reply-To=%3C4D65F711.5060404%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 07:13:37 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002760.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002781.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2761">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2761">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2761">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2761">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On 22 February 2011 20:09, andre999<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">andr55 at laposte.net</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> <aside> +</I>>><i> First of all, "tainted" in English implies that the software doesn't work. +</I>>><i> (Unless it refers to food, in which case it means "poisonous".) +</I>>><i> So we should choose a more appropriate name, such as "constrained", or use +</I>>><i> the Ubuntu approach and use a name which doesn't literally describe the +</I>>><i> contents. ("Multiverse", in their case.) +</I>>><i> Anything but something that implies that there is something inherently wrong +</I>>><i> with the package in question. +</I>>><i> That was one advantage of "plf", but of course that is already taken. And it +</I>>><i> is certainly advantageous to include such packages directly on Mageia +</I>>><i> mirrors. +</I>>><i> </aside> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A Cleaner approach -- albeit more work -- would be for the "constrained" +</I>>><i> package to be an external module which adds the missing functionality. For +</I>>><i> less modular packages, this would be replacing (only) the files which +</I>>><i> provide the questioned functionality. +</I>>><i> For a typical a music player-type application, this would be only a be a few +</I>>><i> relatively small files. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So a user that wants to add the "contrained" functionality would simply add +</I>>><i> an extra package, which obviously would have a different name based on the +</I>>><i> main package. +</I>>><i> (It would be useful to suggest adding such packages during installation, if +</I>>><i> the "contrained" repositories are selected.) +</I>>><i> (That is, if such a related package is available in selected repos.) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Think of the gstreamer packages -- the "ugly" perhaps corresponding to the +</I>>><i> "constrained" packages being considered. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> my 2 cents :) +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> André +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Just a small note, if you didn't like the colour of the bike shed you +</I>><i> should have discussed the point before it was built, painted, the +</I>><i> paint has dried and is about to have new residents. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> And if you discussed the issue and your POV wasn't adapted, what's the +</I>><i> point re-emerging it now given that changing the new isn't easy now +</I>><i> that the infra- is already in place. +</I> +In 4+ months, a lot will be changed/corrected. +In my mind, this inappropriate name will tarnish Mageia. +We can surely find a much more appropriate name. +Since the repositories in question are empty, and will never be very +big, the cost of changing is minimal. + +><i> I like the name tainted, (note that the kernel does use the word +</I>><i> tainted to indicate there's a non-open source binary blob/driver e.g. +</I>><i> with the nvidia proprietary driver, so this usage is not unheard of). +</I>><i> :) +</I> +And the word "tainted" wasn't used to indicate some kind of dysfunction +? (Normally the kernel outputs ERROR messages.) + +I have encountered a kernel message containing "not tainted", to +indicate that a particular file was not corrupted. 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I think we would have to patch ALL upstream desktop files to get +rid of it which would be quite a pain. + +Oliver +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002764.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002767.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2765">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2765">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2765">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2765">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002766.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002766.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9fece9c6f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002766.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinzDtpFM00Aeq7FJLop1Bz3shT0iCz9vGdZuv2K%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002762.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002769.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere</H1> + <B>Dexter Morgan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinzDtpFM00Aeq7FJLop1Bz3shT0iCz9vGdZuv2K%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere">dmorganec at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 09:05:28 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002762.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002769.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2766">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2766">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2766">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2766">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What is to be gained by removing the support for these architectures? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would say if it doesn't have any practical advantage (apart from 'code +</I>><i> cleanliness') then I would keep them, even if nobody wants to support +</I>><i> those archs now, you never know if someone might want to do it in the +</I>><i> future. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> -- +</I>><i> Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</I>><i> +</I> +this simply makes the spec file more readable and ease maitainance. + +This is for this that misc ask, but do you think ppl will do an alpha +or sparc port ? if we need to add support for new arches i think +this have to be new ones ( ARM, MIPS, ... ) + +my 2 cts +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002762.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002769.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2766">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2766">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2766">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2766">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002767.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002767.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..74eeb1365 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002767.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102241006.49750.stormi%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002765.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002768.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Samuel Verschelde</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102241006.49750.stormi%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">stormi at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 10:06:49 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002765.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002768.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2767">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2767">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2767">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2767">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> +Le jeudi 24 février 2011 08:27:36, Oliver Burger a écrit : +><i> Am Donnerstag 24 Februar 2011, 08:20:41 schrieb Tux99: +</I>><i> > I have always hated that apps 'disappear' in the Other folders, can we +</I>><i> > not completely get rid of the Other folders, they don't make any sense +</I>><i> > (at least intuitively for a user). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> IIRC this is triggered by the "Categories" entry in the desktop file of the +</I>><i> application. I think we would have to patch ALL upstream desktop files to +</I>><i> get rid of it which would be quite a pain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Oliver +</I>><i> +</I> +I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such "More" +entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for what we have +now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring "simplicity", but I +always hated that choice, because nobody can know in advance whether an +application will show in the first level or be hidden in the "more" section. I +prefer a 2-level menu tree. If people find that it makes too much clicks, then +they shouldn't be using the menu but add a shortcut to the applications they +use regularly in their taskbar or desktop (or just use ALT+F2). + +Regards + +Samuel + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002765.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002768.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2767">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2767">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2767">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2767">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002768.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002768.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ff4645915 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002768.html @@ -0,0 +1,100 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6621AD.1070006%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002767.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002770.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6621AD.1070006%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 10:15:25 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002767.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2768">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2768">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2768">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2768">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.02.2011 11:06, Samuel Verschelde wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 08:27:36, Oliver Burger a écrit : +</I>>><i> Am Donnerstag 24 Februar 2011, 08:20:41 schrieb Tux99: +</I>>>><i> I have always hated that apps 'disappear' in the Other folders, can we +</I>>>><i> not completely get rid of the Other folders, they don't make any sense +</I>>>><i> (at least intuitively for a user). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> IIRC this is triggered by the "Categories" entry in the desktop file of the +</I>>><i> application. I think we would have to patch ALL upstream desktop files to +</I>>><i> get rid of it which would be quite a pain. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Oliver +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such "More" +</I>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for what we have +</I>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring "simplicity", but I +</I>><i> always hated that choice, because nobody can know in advance whether an +</I>><i> application will show in the first level or be hidden in the "more" section. I +</I>><i> prefer a 2-level menu tree. If people find that it makes too much clicks, then +</I>><i> they shouldn't be using the menu but add a shortcut to the applications they +</I>><i> use regularly in their taskbar or desktop (or just use ALT+F2). +</I> +I can speak only for myself, but I also preferred the two-level tree. + +It has been long in my TODO to implement an alternative menu style file +that would make the menu like that, but unfortunately my TODO is too +crowded by other stuff... + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002767.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2768">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2768">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2768">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2768">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002769.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002769.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..865c47572 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002769.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6624C3.1060002%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002766.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002771.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6624C3.1060002%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 10:28:35 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002766.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002771.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2769">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2769">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2769">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2769">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Dexter Morgan a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Tux99<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> What is to be gained by removing the support for these architectures? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I would say if it doesn't have any practical advantage (apart from 'code +</I>>><i> cleanliness') then I would keep them, even if nobody wants to support +</I>>><i> those archs now, you never know if someone might want to do it in the +</I>>><i> future. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> this simply makes the spec file more readable and ease maitainance. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is for this that misc ask, but do you think ppl will do an alpha +</I>><i> or sparc port ? if we need to add support for new arches i think +</I>><i> this have to be new ones ( ARM, MIPS, ... ) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> my 2 cts +</I> +Makes a lot of sense. Cleaner spec files will easier to maintain. + +another 2 cents :) + +-- +André +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002766.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002771.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2769">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2769">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2769">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2769">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002770.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002770.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b5a85de09 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002770.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6629EB.6000107%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002768.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002772.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D6629EB.6000107%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 10:50:35 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002768.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002772.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2770">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2770">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2770">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2770">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 08:27:36, Oliver Burger a écrit : +</I>>><i> Am Donnerstag 24 Februar 2011, 08:20:41 schrieb Tux99: +</I>>>><i> I have always hated that apps 'disappear' in the Other folders, can we +</I>>>><i> not completely get rid of the Other folders, they don't make any sense +</I>>>><i> (at least intuitively for a user). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> IIRC this is triggered by the "Categories" entry in the desktop file of the +</I>>><i> application. I think we would have to patch ALL upstream desktop files to +</I>>><i> get rid of it which would be quite a pain. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Oliver +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such "More" +</I>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for what we have +</I>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring "simplicity", but I +</I>><i> always hated that choice, because nobody can know in advance whether an +</I>><i> application will show in the first level or be hidden in the "more" section. I +</I>><i> prefer a 2-level menu tree. If people find that it makes too much clicks, then +</I>><i> they shouldn't be using the menu but add a shortcut to the applications they +</I>><i> use regularly in their taskbar or desktop (or just use ALT+F2). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Regards +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Samuel +</I> +Instead of a "plus" sub-sub-menu, which should have only appeared if the +column was full (it appears before), it should display overflow items in +a parallel column, as it used to (at least it did with my config of +Mandriva). +With that we don't need another level of menu, nor more clicks. +Just display all the items in the particular sub-menu in alphabetical order. + +my 2 cents. +-- +André +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002768.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002772.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2770">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2770">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2770">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2770">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002771.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002771.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3605ea157 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002771.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikNsgiVp2NEtBk3HYCO9MKuP7dst7gNKY-2iK9-%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002769.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002784.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere</H1> + <B>Thierry Vignaud</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikNsgiVp2NEtBk3HYCO9MKuP7dst7gNKY-2iK9-%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 13:17:03 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002769.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002784.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2771">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2771">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2771">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2771">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24 February 2011 08:14, Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>> wrote: +><i> What is to be gained by removing the support for these architectures? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would say if it doesn't have any practical advantage (apart from 'code +</I>><i> cleanliness') then I would keep them, even if nobody wants to support +</I>><i> those archs now, you never know if someone might want to do it in the +</I>><i> future. +</I> +I would have agree with you but here those bits are just claims embedded +in the spec. +There's no real support for those arches since glibc wasn't build for them +since 2006-2007 (glibc-2.4) + +Those spec bits are just rotten bits. that : +- may now be irrelevant +- have been tested with current glibc code +- may not even apply (if there're patches too) + +anyway they can always be resurected if someone stands out in order +to support one of those arches +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002769.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002784.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2771">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2771">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2771">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2771">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002772.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002772.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c92cc2520 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002772.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1298550423.11734.200.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002770.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002776.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1298550423.11734.200.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 13:27:03 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002776.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2772">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2772">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2772">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2772">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 08:27:36, Oliver Burger a écrit : +</I>><i> > Am Donnerstag 24 Februar 2011, 08:20:41 schrieb Tux99: +</I>><i> > > I have always hated that apps 'disappear' in the Other folders, can we +</I>><i> > > not completely get rid of the Other folders, they don't make any sense +</I>><i> > > (at least intuitively for a user). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > IIRC this is triggered by the "Categories" entry in the desktop file of the +</I>><i> > application. I think we would have to patch ALL upstream desktop files to +</I>><i> > get rid of it which would be quite a pain. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Oliver +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such "More" +</I>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for what we have +</I>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring "simplicity", +</I> +Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). + +So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one : +<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> + +><i> but I +</I>><i> always hated that choice, because nobody can know in advance whether an +</I>><i> application will show in the first level or be hidden in the "more" section. +</I> +Technically, nobody can know in advance if a software is installed or +not. Sure, that's a problem to give support to someone by phone or to +write documentation. But IMHO, it is better to have uncluttered menus, +as a menu is basically used more often than the support. Of course, from +the person giving support, the benefit of having someone else menu +uncluttered are near 0, as they do not use the system of someone else. + +><i> I prefer a 2-level menu tree. If people find that it makes too much clicks, +</I> +This is not the number of click, but the fact that it take a longer time +to scan the whole menu. Like reading a article with and without carriage +return. The number of word to read are the same, but it is easier with +carriage return, because this doesn't require any form of coordination +( ie, this is not on the same cognitive level ). + +I am not sure if I am clear enough, but on the other hand, I fear that +explaining the whole topic would requires much more time, and time have +showed that people hate when I explain them ergonomics ( as seen on +various rpmdrake bugs ). + +><i> then +</I>><i> they shouldn't be using the menu but add a shortcut to the applications they +</I>><i> use regularly in their taskbar or desktop (or just use ALT+F2). +</I> +So if you do not like the current system, you can just add a shortcut or +use "alt + F2", and that's all :) + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002776.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2772">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2772">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2772">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2772">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002773.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002773.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9fb6ba4d2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002773.html @@ -0,0 +1,121 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? 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I start windows, move everything from D:\ to C:\ (if there is a +D:\), then check/defrag C.\. + +2. I restart the laptop with the Mageia install medium and start installation. +Normally (with diskdrake during installation) I'd resize the Windows +partition to 20 Go, then create swap on sda5, a large Data partition +(150Go or more) on sda6 and the root partition of Mageia (10 Go) on +sda7. The rest remains untouched. +(A dynamic extended partition sda2 (or 3 or 4) is created +automatically by diskdrake). + +3. If I feel like install another Linux or another instance of Mageia +I just create sda8 in the free space, etc. + +Now with LVM, what do I do?When installing Mageia I don't create those +partitions but just one large LVM which holds DATA, swap and root +partition of mageia? But I want to use swap and DATA with all other +Linux installations as well, how do I mount them into another LVM? Is +it possible to have another LVM for Mandriva, another one for Fedora, +etc. all inside the extended partition sda4? + +Now, I am totally aware that this thread is not for answering such +questions and I will read up on LVM ASAP. What I want to show with +this common example is: many users will ask these questions because +(AFAIK from my forum experience) most users do not use LVM yet. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002774.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002777.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2775">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2775">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2775">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2775">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002776.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002776.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ae9fb80d6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002776.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimasiBEJtWYYjv8P-oq3BFC-iea9ZZOQcDR0pRr%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002772.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002788.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Jérôme Hénin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimasiBEJtWYYjv8P-oq3BFC-iea9ZZOQcDR0pRr%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">heninj at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 13:53:48 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002772.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2776">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2776">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2776">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2776">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Hi everyone, + +On 24 February 2011 13:27, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +><i> This is not the number of click, but the fact that it take a longer time +</I>><i> to scan the whole menu. Like reading a article with and without carriage +</I>><i> return. The number of word to read are the same, but it is easier with +</I>><i> carriage return, because this doesn't require any form of coordination +</I>><i> ( ie, this is not on the same cognitive level ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not sure if I am clear enough, but on the other hand, I fear that +</I>><i> explaining the whole topic would requires much more time, and time have +</I>><i> showed that people hate when I explain them ergonomics ( as seen on +</I>><i> various rpmdrake bugs ). +</I> +Michael, your point about ergonomics is very true in principle, but +there seems to be a missing link in its implementation. The two-tier +system, with a 'More...' submenu is very sensible, _if_ that submenu +contains the most rarely used entries. IIRC, a bunch of proprietary +applications do this with self-masking menu entries. In our case +(mdv/mga), there is no mechanism to ensure this, as far as I know. +That would be a major step forward. + +Best, +Jérôme +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002772.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2776">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2776">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2776">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2776">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002777.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002777.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..512c0c7c3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002777.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D665AFA.9040804%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002775.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002778.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3C4D665AFA.9040804%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 14:19:54 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002775.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002778.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2777">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2777">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2777">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2777">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> Now with LVM, what do I do? +</I>><i> +</I>Pretty much exactly the same, if that's what you want. LVM is just a +layer of indirection that you place on top of *only* those partitions +you want LVM to control. It lets you create multiple "virtual" +partitions each of which includes one or more physical partitions. In +the minimal case, you can partition exactly as you would without LVM, +but make each of the Mageia partitions an LV formatted as ext4 (or +whatever) rather than a physical ext4. + +The difference is that later on if you need to expand one of these 1-1 +LVM partitions, all you do is create another physical partition +*somewhere* - either on that physical disk or another you add - and tell +LVM to make that new physical partition part of the LV you want to +expand. The original physical partition on which you based the LVM +stays exactly where it is without change, and the Logical Volume just +magically increases in size by the size of the new physical partition +you added. + +Using LVM for some or all of Mageia has no effect on your ability to use +standard partitioning for other partitions on these disks. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002775.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002778.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2777">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2777">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2777">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2777">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002778.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002778.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7cc182cc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002778.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTRZmaTwewqKfQVc93eUomdmEHXjtXtf4GqXwr%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002777.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002760.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20time%20to%20switch%20from%20raw%20partitions%20to%20lvm%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimTRZmaTwewqKfQVc93eUomdmEHXjtXtf4GqXwr%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm?">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 14:28:48 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002777.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002760.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2778">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2778">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2778">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2778">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/2/24 Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>: +><i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> Now with LVM, what do I do? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Pretty much exactly the same, if that's what you want.  LVM is just a +</I>><i> layer of indirection that you place on top of *only* those partitions +</I>><i> you want LVM to control.  It lets you create multiple "virtual" +</I>><i> partitions each of which includes one or more physical partitions.  In +</I>><i> the minimal case, you can partition exactly as you would without LVM, +</I>><i> but make each of the Mageia partitions an LV formatted as ext4 (or +</I>><i> whatever) rather than a physical ext4. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The difference is that later on if you need to expand one of these 1-1 +</I>><i> LVM partitions, all you do is create another physical partition +</I>><i> *somewhere* - either on that physical disk or another you add - and tell +</I>><i> LVM to make that new physical partition part of the LV you want to +</I>><i> expand.  The original physical partition on which you based the LVM +</I>><i> stays exactly where it is without change, and the Logical Volume just +</I>><i> magically increases in size by the size of the new physical partition +</I>><i> you added. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Using LVM for some or all of Mageia has no effect on your ability to use +</I>><i> standard partitioning for other partitions on these disks. +</I> +Thx for the explanation. I'll save that (with some extensions) for +reference to forward to users if Mageia really switches to LVM as +default. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002777.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002760.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2778">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2778">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2778">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2778">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002779.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002779.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..487cafea1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002779.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20noarch%20subpackages&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin9knMT2u9SAY6SdLtaEkfkaxHTihNmCwjg8rTE%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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I was a victim and had to +watch it 3 or 4 times +><i> +</I> + + +-- +Anne +<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002782.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002763.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2783">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2783">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2783">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2783">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002784.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002784.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..622dc32b6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002784.html @@ -0,0 +1,106 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3C8762s92y0a.fsf%40lebrac.rtp-net.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002771.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002759.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere</H1> + <B>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20cleaning%20old%20architecutres%20in%20glibc%20and%20elsewhere&In-Reply-To=%3C8762s92y0a.fsf%40lebrac.rtp-net.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere">arnaud.patard at rtp-net.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 17:33:25 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002771.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002759.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2784">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2784">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2784">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2784">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>> writes: + +><i> Hi, +</I> +Hi, + +><i> +</I>><i> while trying to fix some missing packages ( the locales-* ), I have +</I>><i> found myself looking at gibc packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> We still have support for various arch : +</I>><i> - alpha +</I> +this arch is broken for quite some time. afaik alpha support is done +through glibc-ports and our spec doesn't handle that atm (yet, as arm & +mips need glibc-ports). If we ignore this, the rest of the support for +alpha is not a big part of the glibc spec. Grepping for alpha in the +patches didn't returned a lot of answer too. + +><i> - sparc* +</I> +no idea about sparc support. + +><i> - ppc +</I> +I guess that last time ppc support was tested was when some people +were testing cell ppc systems. It probably needs more care to work +nowadays. I'm seeing some ppc32 support in glibc-ports but I've no idea +if it's really needed (eg ppc64 may not need that). + +><i> +</I>><i> Since alpha is dead ( last proc, 2003 ), I think we can all agree that +</I>><i> we can clean this. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now, for sparc and ppc, is there someone here who is willing to work on +</I>><i> a port ? If not, I will clean the support ( mainly removing %ifdef and +</I>><i> stuff like that ) from glibc.spec in 2 weeks. +</I> +It's a matter of weighing the cost of keeping them. If the cost is high +and there's no one stepping up to maintain sparc or ppc, it's better to +remove them. It can be added back later if someone jumps in. +If there's no cost, it's more a subjective question and the people who +are best entitled to answer to this question are the people who will +maintain the glibc. + +fwiw, I hope I'll be able to merge at least the arm bits needed for +support in the glibc within theses 2 weeks but if I don't manage to do +it, please ping me on irc when you'll do the cleaning in order to make +sure it won't make merging my work more difficult :) + +Arnaud +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002771.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002759.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2784">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2784">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2784">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2784">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002785.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002785.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c3e99069b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002785.html @@ -0,0 +1,108 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20We%20must%20port%20Mageia%20to%20ARM%20and%20PowerPC%21&In-Reply-To=%3C871v2x2xk9.fsf%40lebrac.rtp-net.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002795.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002792.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC!</H1> + <B>Arnaud Patard (Rtp)</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20We%20must%20port%20Mageia%20to%20ARM%20and%20PowerPC%21&In-Reply-To=%3C871v2x2xk9.fsf%40lebrac.rtp-net.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC!">arnaud.patard at rtp-net.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 17:43:02 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2785">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2785">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2785">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2785">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Maarten Vanraes <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>> writes: + +><i> Op dinsdag 22 februari 2011 23:53:01 schreef André Machado: +</I>>><i> I was watching now and I realized that both mageia and Mandriva have ports +</I>>><i> for both i586 and x64 architetures. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> When Mageia is released, she will compete directly with Mandriva, even +</I>>><i> though this is not your intention, Many Mandriva users will not want to +</I>>><i> migrate to Mageia and here is the clever. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Nowadays, they are increasingly common netbooks and tablets with ARM +</I>>><i> processors. In addition, there are still people with PowerPC Macs or +</I>>><i> PlayStations, which also use this processor. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> If we port Mageia for these architectures, we can grab a larger share of +</I>>><i> users, including fans of Mandriva, which could run a distro similar to +</I>>><i> that love on machines that do not support it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Of course, this is not a trivial task and maybe cannot be done right now +</I>>><i> but think in the short term, this should be viable and will help spread +</I>>><i> the distro. It should not be difficult to find someone who has a computer +</I>>><i> with these features and want to build the distro. Of course, Mageia +</I>>><i> Foundation is busy with Alpha1 and a port would require more tests. Maybe +</I>>><i> for next year? I ask what are the difficulties in doing this? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Of course we don't need have a large range of architetures such like Debian +</I>>><i> or NetBSD, but these - ARM and PowerPC - are essentials. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> iinm rtp (forgot real name, sorry) plans on doing ARM. +</I> +Not only I plan to work on ARM but I'd like to work on ARM and MIPS, +like I did at Mandriva. The MIPS port will arrive only after having ARM +support in good shape. I've started to work on ARM but nothing to show +atm. +As regards powerpc, you'll have to find at least one persone who will +maintain the port (more is preferred as it's a lot of work). +Support for arches different than x86/x86_64 can only be there if there +are real maintainers and testers because breakages happen really often +there and get often unnoticed. + +Arnaud +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2785">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2785">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2785">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2785">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002786.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002786.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..da181a86a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002786.html @@ -0,0 +1,86 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20noarch%20subpackages&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikv-YpmXoUM0yokKLkLn700MheV-r%2BQp3hMWV%2BA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Like reading a article with and without carriage +</I>><i> > return. The number of word to read are the same, but it is easier with +</I>><i> > carriage return, because this doesn't require any form of coordination +</I>><i> > ( ie, this is not on the same cognitive level ). +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I am not sure if I am clear enough, but on the other hand, I fear that +</I>><i> > explaining the whole topic would requires much more time, and time have +</I>><i> > showed that people hate when I explain them ergonomics ( as seen on +</I>><i> > various rpmdrake bugs ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Michael, your point about ergonomics is very true in principle, but +</I>><i> there seems to be a missing link in its implementation. The two-tier +</I>><i> system, with a 'More...' submenu is very sensible, _if_ that submenu +</I>><i> contains the most rarely used entries. +</I> +That unfortunately more complex. Ie ideally, you have to track +applications usage to make this work. There is work going on with +zeitgeist and integration to gnome-shell/unity that could lead to this. + +So in the mean time, we have to rely on guess made from packagers on +what would be the best application to use _if_ people did install more +applications and didn't remove the installed default one, nor +cleaned/move the entry ( because for some reason, it seems that no one +ever do it ). + +><i> IIRC, a bunch of proprietary +</I>><i> applications do this with self-masking menu entries. In our case +</I>><i> (mdv/mga), there is no mechanism to ensure this, as far as I know. +</I>><i> That would be a major step forward. +</I> +Well, I guess that a bug do exist for this in kde bugzilla. If not, then +maybe you could open one. +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002776.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2788">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2788">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2788">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2788">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002789.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002789.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0b447e78 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002789.html @@ -0,0 +1,113 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1d0a.4d668e01%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002791.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002793.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1d0a.4d668e01%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 17:57:39 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2789">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2789">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2789">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2789">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27 +><i> +</I>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>><i> > "More" +</I>><i> > entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>><i> > what we have +</I>><i> > now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>><i> > "simplicity", +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>><i> : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I> +The study that estimates the number of chunks of information a normal human +can keep in working memory might be correct, but it's applied in a +completely unfitting situation here. + +Scanning a list of program names has nothing to do keeping chunks of info +in the brain. + +I'm pretty sure that if we make a survey among Mandriva users the majority +will be saying they don't like apps hidden behind "More" as it currently +happens, they would want them in the higher level with all the other apps +of the same type. + +Every Mandriva user I know (regarless if a complete noob or an IT literate +person) finds the "More.." folder confusing and counterintuitive and +without any benefit. + +I would actually think this is one of those things where a poll among users +would make sense, since it doesn't really have technical implications +either way. + +Another solution would be to make it a configurable user preference, but of +course that would require someone to write the necessary code, so that's +not such an immediate solution as changing the config. + +BTW: can anyone tell me where exactly this "More" folder behaviour is +configured? + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2789">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2789">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2789">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2789">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002790.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002790.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dd7ab5c0c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002790.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1d0b.4d66905d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002788.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002791.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Tux99</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1d0b.4d66905d%40mageia.linuxtech.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">tux99-mga at uridium.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 18:07:42 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2790">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2790">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2790">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2790">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE> + +Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 17:48 + +><i> So in the mean time, we have to rely on guess made from packagers on +</I>><i> what would be the best application to use _if_ people did install more +</I>><i> applications and didn't remove the installed default one, nor +</I>><i> cleaned/move the entry ( because for some reason, it seems that no one +</I>><i> ever do it ). +</I> +But this is flawed logic, IF a user manually installs a new app that means +he is interested in using it, so it shouldn't be hidden away behind +"More". There is no guessing involved for apps that aren't installed by +default, those apps that a users needs to install manually should NEVER +disappear behind "More"! + +-- +Mageia ML Forum Gateway: <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2790">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2790">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2790">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2790">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002791.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002791.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b4b1862c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002791.html @@ -0,0 +1,84 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikJO15dcDLcw0YX%3DvCLMe9sGJxZZ0drN4nq4mPA%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002790.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002789.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikJO15dcDLcw0YX%3DvCLMe9sGJxZZ0drN4nq4mPA%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 18:19:08 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2791">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2791">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2791">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2791">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2011/2/24 Tux99 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 17:48 +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> So in the mean time, we have to rely on guess made from packagers on +</I>>><i> what would be the best application to use _if_ people did install more +</I>>><i> applications and didn't remove the installed default one, nor +</I>>><i> cleaned/move the entry ( because for some reason, it seems that no one +</I>>><i> ever do it ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But this is flawed logic, IF a user manually installs a new app that means +</I>><i> he is interested in using it, so it shouldn't be hidden away behind +</I>><i> "More". There is no guessing involved for apps that aren't installed by +</I>><i> default, those apps that a users needs to install manually should NEVER +</I>><i> disappear behind "More"! +</I> +Well, personal experiences differ, we all know that. Although I can +understand the reasoning behind this last remark, I can't remember +that I ever read a user complaining about the "More" feature within +years of forum reading. Either people really did not regard it as such +a nuisance or if they did they easily changed it with the menue +editor. +I also experienced that people who install apps the manual way tend to +place them on the desktop (create an icon) rather for quick access +than care for putting them in the menue. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2791">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2791">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2791">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2791">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002792.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002792.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3b87af364 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002792.html @@ -0,0 +1,79 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mirror%20policy%20%26%20howto%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTike1fzhkkHc0Z%3D8v-7U%3DEhDKOC4PvV7vPThQc%2Ba%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002785.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates</H1> + <B>Romain d'Alverny</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20mirror%20policy%20%26%20howto%20updates&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTike1fzhkkHc0Z%3D8v-7U%3DEhDKOC4PvV7vPThQc%2Ba%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates">rdalverny at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 19:13:38 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002785.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! 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Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>>>><i> "More" +</I>>>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>>>><i> what we have +</I>>>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>>>><i> "simplicity", +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>>><i> : +</I>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I> +Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to +keep the current system? + +I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, +Tools, Tools->System submenus. +With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the +~7 you mention. + +><i> The study that estimates the number of chunks of information a normal human +</I>><i> can keep in working memory might be correct, but it's applied in a +</I>><i> completely unfitting situation here. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Scanning a list of program names has nothing to do keeping chunks of info +</I>><i> in the brain. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm pretty sure that if we make a survey among Mandriva users the majority +</I>><i> will be saying they don't like apps hidden behind "More" as it currently +</I>><i> happens, they would want them in the higher level with all the other apps +</I>><i> of the same type. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Every Mandriva user I know (regarless if a complete noob or an IT literate +</I>><i> person) finds the "More.." folder confusing and counterintuitive and +</I>><i> without any benefit. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would actually think this is one of those things where a poll among users +</I>><i> would make sense, since it doesn't really have technical implications +</I>><i> either way. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another solution would be to make it a configurable user preference, but of +</I>><i> course that would require someone to write the necessary code, so that's +</I>><i> not such an immediate solution as changing the config. +</I> +The code is mostly written (drakmenustyle) as it is already possible to +switch between mdv and kde/gnome menu styles, but it would be some work +to create the menu style itself. + +><i> BTW: can anyone tell me where exactly this "More" folder behaviour is +</I>><i> configured? +</I> +MDV menu style is in /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications.menu for KDE and +/etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu for others. Upstream kde4 menu is in +/etc/xdg/kde4/menus/applications.menu. Upstream gnome menu is in +/etc/xdg/gnome/menus/applications.menu. + +I don't remember which script/config file is used to change the menu +style used, but this can be configured via drakmenustyle. + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2793">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2793">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2793">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2793">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002794.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002794.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b2a952b49 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002794.html @@ -0,0 +1,107 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1298574904.5831.24.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002793.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002797.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C1298574904.5831.24.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 20:15:04 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2794">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2794">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2794">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2794">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 20:30 +0200, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +><i> On 24.02.2011 18:57, Tux99 wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27 +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>><i> >>> "More" +</I>><i> >>> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>><i> >>> what we have +</I>><i> >>> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>><i> >>> "simplicity", +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>><i> >> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>><i> >> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>><i> >> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>><i> >> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>><i> >> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>><i> >> : +</I>><i> >> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to +</I>><i> keep the current system? +</I> +I do not think so. What chunk of informations do you take in account ? + +><i> I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, +</I>><i> Tools, Tools->System submenus. +</I> +By submenu, you mean the "more" submenu ? I fail to understand what do +you have exactly, can you provides a screenshot ? + +><i> With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the +</I>><i> ~7 you mention. +</I> +Depend, what is the process that you are wanting to improve ? +( and closer is not good enough, even if 15 is nearer to 7 than 20, +that's still too much and a different process is used ( according to +studies )) + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2794">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2794">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2794">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2794">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002795.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002795.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..7f93ed4c6 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002795.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20noarch%20subpackages&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikNOLK%2BN0eG2%3DgcCZgaPYwvAKxJbott2vR%2B4eEG%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002787.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002785.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages</H1> + <B>Pascal Terjan</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20noarch%20subpackages&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikNOLK%2BN0eG2%3DgcCZgaPYwvAKxJbott2vR%2B4eEG%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages">pterjan at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 21:07:32 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002785.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2795">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2795">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2795">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2795">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 16:45, Arnaud Patard <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">arnaud.patard at rtp-net.org</A>> wrote: +><i> Pascal Terjan <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">pterjan at gmail.com</A>> writes: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Hi packagers, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I have just tested and our build system supports having a noarch +</I>>><i> subpackage together with arch specific ones. +</I>>><i> So please, have noarch data/doc packages (expecially for games or +</I>>><i> other stuff with huge data), this will allow them to not be duplicated +</I>>><i> on mirrors +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about adding a check in rpmlint for that in order to make it more +</I>><i> "visible" ? +</I> +There is one which needs to be updated +Currently it gives an error (no-binary) if a package has no binaries +and is not noarch and the package has the same name as src.rpm +Removing the last check would make it complain on other subpackages, I +did not check that it works fine for packages with non binary arch +dependant files (in libdir) +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002785.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2795">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2795">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2795">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2795">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002796.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002796.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..32417540c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002796.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102242203.29770.anaselli%40linux.it%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002797.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002779.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Angelo Naselli</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C201102242203.29770.anaselli%40linux.it%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">anaselli at linux.it + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 22:03:26 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002779.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2796">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2796">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2796">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2796">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>nice thread :) + +><i> > I prefer a 2-level menu tree. If people find that it makes too much +</I>><i> >clicks, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This is not the number of click, but the fact that it take a longer time +</I>><i> to scan the whole menu. Like reading a article with and without carriage +</I>><i> return. The number of word to read are the same, but it is easier with +</I>><i> carriage return, because this doesn't require any form of coordination +</I>><i> ( ie, this is not on the same cognitive level ). +</I> +Just a little addition, in the case of tuxpaint the levels were 2 anyway +so i wonder why Education/Art is not good and Education/Other is +instead :) + +-- + Angelo +-------------- next part -------------- +A non-text attachment was scrubbed... +Name: not available +Type: application/pgp-signature +Size: 198 bytes +Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. +URL: </pipermail/mageia-dev/attachments/20110224/b113d884/attachment.asc> +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002779.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2796">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2796">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2796">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2796">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002797.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002797.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..422a86e74 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/002797.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D66D721.6040803%40iki.fi%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002794.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002796.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories</H1> + <B>Anssi Hannula</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-dev%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-dev%5D%20freedesktop%20spec%20and%20categories&In-Reply-To=%3C4D66D721.6040803%40iki.fi%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories">anssi.hannula at iki.fi + </A><BR> + <I>Thu Feb 24 23:09:37 CET 2011</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2797">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2797">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2797">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2797">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 24.02.2011 21:15, Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 20:30 +0200, Anssi Hannula a écrit : +</I>>><i> On 24.02.2011 18:57, Tux99 wrote: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Thu, 24 February 2011 13:27 +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 10:06 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a écrit : +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I don't think so. Several Mandriva releases ago, there was no such +</I>>>>>><i> "More" +</I>>>>>><i> entry, but real sub-categories in the menu. Then it changed for +</I>>>>>><i> what we have +</I>>>>>><i> now, but that wasn't a change in the .desktop files, rather a menu +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> configuration. I guess that was a decision meant to bring +</I>>>>>><i> "simplicity", +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Yes, and that's a choice that can be backed by several studies on the +</I>>>>><i> subject, the working memory have been estimated to be 7 chunks of +</I>>>>><i> information ( between 5 and 9 is a wildly accepted range ). I remember +</I>>>>><i> having seen a studie saying that it was less than this, but I cannot +</I>>>>><i> find it ( and it was on slashdot, so this may have been wrong ). +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> So presenting only ~7 chunks of information ( ie ~7 items in menu ) is +</I>>>>><i> better according to the current cognitive model used, such as this one +</I>>>>><i> : +</I>>>>><i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_information_processor_model</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Eh, isn't that a reason to switch *back* to the two-level system, not to +</I>>><i> keep the current system? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I do not think so. What chunk of informations do you take in account ? +</I> +No chunks, just items in menu. + +>><i> I have about 15-30 entries in everyone of Internet, Office, Audio/Video, +</I>>><i> Tools, Tools->System submenus. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> By submenu, you mean the "more" submenu ? I fail to understand what do +</I>><i> you have exactly, can you provides a screenshot ? +</I> +No, I mean menu entries directly under those menus. +<A HREF="http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu1.png">http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu1.png</A> +<A HREF="http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu2.png">http://onse.fi/files/kuvat/menu2.png</A> + +IMHO too many entries there. With two levels I think at least the number +of entries/submenus directly under the Internet menu would be +significantly reduced. + +>><i> With a two-level system it would be considerably less and closer to the +</I>>><i> ~7 you mention. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Depend, what is the process that you are wanting to improve ? +</I>><i> ( and closer is not good enough, even if 15 is nearer to 7 than 20, +</I>><i> that's still too much and a different process is used ( according to +</I>><i> studies )) +</I> +No idea. IMO finding the wanted application is faster when it goes +Internet => 5-7 submenus => each with 2-5 app entries +instead of the current +Internet => 20 app entries, plus 10 more in "More" + +-- +Anssi Hannula +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2797">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2797">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2797">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2797">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More information about the Mageia-dev +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..841e55a1f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-dev/20110224/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,252 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-dev 24 February 2011 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>24 February 2011 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Feb 24 00:27:38 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Feb 24 23:09:37 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 41<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002784.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2784"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002785.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2785"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2787"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002775.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? 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+</A><A NAME="2765"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002767.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2767"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002768.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2768"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2770"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002772.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2772"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002776.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2776"> </A> +<I>Jérôme Hénin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2788"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2789"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2790"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2791"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2793"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2794"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2796"> </A> +<I>Angelo Naselli +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2797"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates +</A><A NAME="2792"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002779.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2779"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002780.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2780"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002786.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2786"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2787"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2795"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002759.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2759"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002760.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2760"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002773.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2773"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002774.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2774"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002775.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2775"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002777.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2777"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002778.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2778"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002785.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2785"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Feb 24 23:09:37 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Feb 24 23:09:44 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> 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2011</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 41<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01298503658- --> +<LI><A HREF="002757.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2757"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--0 01298504614- --> +<LI><A HREF="002758.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2758"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298504614-01298531686- --> +<LI><A HREF="002762.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2762"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298504614-01298531686-01298534728- --> +<LI><A HREF="002766.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2766"> </A> +<I>Dexter Morgan +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01298504614-01298531686-01298534728-01298539715- --> +<LI><A HREF="002769.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2769"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +<!--2 01298504614-01298531686-01298549823- --> +<LI><A HREF="002771.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2771"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01298504614-01298565205- --> +<LI><A HREF="002784.html">[Mageia-dev] cleaning old architecutres in glibc and elsewhere +</A><A NAME="2784"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01298523987- --> +<LI><A HREF="002759.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2759"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298523987-01298550539- --> +<LI><A HREF="002773.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2773"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298523987-01298550539-01298550721- --> +<LI><A HREF="002774.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2774"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01298523987-01298550539-01298550721-01298551970- --> +<LI><A HREF="002775.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2775"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01298523987-01298550539-01298550721-01298551970-01298553594- --> +<LI><A HREF="002777.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2777"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01298523987-01298550539-01298550721-01298551970-01298553594-01298554128- --> +<LI><A HREF="002778.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2778"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01298525029- --> +<LI><A HREF="002760.html">[Mageia-dev] time to switch from raw partitions to lvm? +</A><A NAME="2760"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01298528017- --> +<LI><A HREF="002761.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2761"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298528017-01298559455- --> +<LI><A HREF="002781.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2781"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298528017-01298559455-01298559968- --> +<LI><A HREF="002782.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2782"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<!--2 01298528017-01298559455-01298560131- --> +<LI><A HREF="002783.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms) +</A><A NAME="2783"> </A> +<I>Anne nicolas +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01298532041- --> +<LI><A HREF="002763.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2763"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298532041-01298532307- --> +<LI><A HREF="002764.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2764"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--1 01298532041-01298532456- --> +<LI><A HREF="002765.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2765"> </A> +<I>Oliver Burger +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409- --> +<LI><A HREF="002767.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2767"> </A> +<I>Samuel Verschelde +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298538925- --> +<LI><A HREF="002768.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2768"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298541035- --> +<LI><A HREF="002770.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2770"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423- --> +<LI><A HREF="002772.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2772"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298552028- --> +<LI><A HREF="002776.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2776"> </A> +<I>Jérôme Hénin +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298552028-01298566126- --> +<LI><A HREF="002788.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2788"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298552028-01298566126-01298567262- --> +<LI><A HREF="002790.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2790"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298552028-01298566126-01298567262-01298567948- --> +<LI><A HREF="002791.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2791"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298566659- --> +<LI><A HREF="002789.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2789"> </A> +<I>Tux99 +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298566659-01298572256- --> +<LI><A HREF="002793.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2793"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298566659-01298572256-01298574904- --> +<LI><A HREF="002794.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2794"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298566659-01298572256-01298574904-01298585377- --> +<LI><A HREF="002797.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2797"> </A> +<I>Anssi Hannula +</I> + +<!--3 01298532041-01298532456-01298538409-01298550423-01298581406- --> +<LI><A HREF="002796.html">[Mageia-dev] freedesktop spec and categories +</A><A NAME="2796"> </A> +<I>Angelo Naselli +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01298555545- --> +<LI><A HREF="002779.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2779"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01298555545-01298559154- --> +<LI><A HREF="002780.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2780"> </A> +<I>Thierry Vignaud +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298555545-01298559154-01298565871- --> +<LI><A HREF="002786.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2786"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +</UL> +<!--1 01298555545-01298565951- --> +<LI><A HREF="002787.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2787"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01298555545-01298565951-01298578052- --> +<LI><A HREF="002795.html">[Mageia-dev] noarch subpackages +</A><A NAME="2795"> </A> +<I>Pascal Terjan +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01298565782- --> +<LI><A HREF="002785.html">[Mageia-dev] We must port Mageia to ARM and PowerPC! +</A><A NAME="2785"> </A> +<I>Arnaud Patard (Rtp) +</I> + +<!--0 01298571218- --> +<LI><A HREF="002792.html">[Mageia-dev] mirror policy & howto updates +</A><A NAME="2792"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Thu Feb 24 23:09:37 CET 2011</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Feb 24 23:09:44 CET 2011</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |