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+<PRE>2011/2/18 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 11:49 +0100, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 08:23, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I couldn't have time installing alpha now, but I've found that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; still promote ask.com as default search engine of firefox, and other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; additional search engines such as jamendo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think mageia has nothing todo with above search engine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes there is no reason
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What should be decided is if Mageia switches back to default search
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> engine or selects another one for whatever reason
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following upstream seems to be the safer solution for the moment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( even if I would not be against promoting alternative solutions ).
+</I>Agreed. But the reason of promoting ask.com as default search engine,
+is that they have an agreement with Mandriva the company. So...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 18 februari 2011 14:42:02 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 12:47 +0000, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If there are two packages, one in core and another in tainted, then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doesn't urpmi need a way to recognise that the tainted package is newer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than (an update to) the corresponding core package? I believe that this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not
+</I>&gt;<i> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always
+</I>&gt;<i> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a
+</I>&gt;<i> regexp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core,
+</I>&gt;<i> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for the
+</I>&gt;<i> moment, as this would requires some way to say &quot;if you need to install
+</I>&gt;<i> something, prefer this source rather than this one&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there is
+</I>&gt;<i> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would requires
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is in a
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life
+</I>&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>
+after sleeping on this, i've had this idea:
+
+why don't we rename packages in tainted?
+keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search engines, (ie:
+which version do you get?)
+
+i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag).
+
+would it be a good compromise if we named packages:
+
+&lt;orig_packagename&gt;-tainted-&lt;version&gt;-&lt;release&gt; ?
+
+the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the original
+package with the identical version.
+
+for building, i may have this solution:
+
+%tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3)
+
+this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does, it could
+rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would simplify the
+whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are being built at the
+same time, you have no srpm problem either.
+
+WDYT?
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+<PRE> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:14:17 +0800, Funda Wang wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2011/2/18 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 11:49 +0100, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 08:23, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I couldn't have time installing alpha now, but I've found that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; still promote ask.com as default search engine of firefox, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; additional search engines such as jamendo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think mageia has nothing todo with above search engine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes there is no reason
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What should be decided is if Mageia switches back to default search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> engine or selects another one for whatever reason
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Following upstream seems to be the safer solution for the moment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( even if I would not be against promoting alternative solutions ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. But the reason of promoting ask.com as default search engine,
+</I>&gt;<i> is that they have an agreement with Mandriva the company. So...
+</I>
+ When speaking of alternatives, I was more thinking of distributed one
+ like
+ yacy, seeks, majestic12 rather than others commercials one.
+
+--
+ Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>On 19 February 2011 13:53, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 10:14:17 +0800, Funda Wang wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2011/2/18 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 11:49 +0100, Pascal Terjan a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 08:23, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I couldn't have time installing alpha now, but I've found that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; still promote ask.com as default search engine of firefox, and other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; additional search engines such as jamendo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think mageia has nothing todo with above search engine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes there is no reason
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What should be decided is if Mageia switches back to default search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> engine or selects another one for whatever reason
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Following upstream seems to be the safer solution for the moment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( even if I would not be against promoting alternative solutions ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agreed. But the reason of promoting ask.com as default search engine,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is that they have an agreement with Mandriva the company. So...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When speaking of alternatives, I was more thinking of distributed one like
+</I>&gt;<i> yacy, seeks, majestic12 rather than others commercials one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm meant to be getting dooble, a new browser a d yacy working
+together in a rpm, the upstreams people who develop yacy seem to work
+with it on dooble.
+
+As for Jamendo, it would be nice to keep that and its a useful site.
+
+Donald
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 18 februari 2011 14:42:02 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 12:47 +0000, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If there are two packages, one in core and another in tainted,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; doesn't urpmi need a way to recognise that the tainted package is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> newer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; than (an update to) the corresponding core package? I believe that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plf
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> always
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regexp.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> moment, as this would requires some way to say &quot;if you need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> something, prefer this source rather than this one&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requires
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> after sleeping on this, i've had this idea:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> why don't we rename packages in tainted?
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search
+</I>&gt;<i> engines, (ie:
+</I>&gt;<i> which version do you get?)
+</I>
+ with search engine ?
+ I can see the issue for support, yes, but search engine, no
+
+&gt;<i> i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would it be a good compromise if we named packages:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;orig_packagename&gt;-tainted-&lt;version&gt;-&lt;release&gt; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the
+</I>&gt;<i> original
+</I>&gt;<i> package with the identical version.
+</I>
+ This could work, but I am not sure that a Obsoletes is required.
+
+ One problem with this idea is that it will ask to user lots of
+ questions, and that's
+ something we should rather try to avoid ( any people who installed some
+ java rpm will
+ understand the issue ).
+
+ But it has the advantage of not requiring anything special on BS while
+ providing the choice.
+
+&gt;<i> for building, i may have this solution:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does,
+</I>&gt;<i> it could
+</I>&gt;<i> rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would
+</I>&gt;<i> simplify the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are being built
+</I>&gt;<i> at the
+</I>&gt;<i> same time, you have no srpm problem either.
+</I>
+ A simple %define would do the trick, so that doesn't bring much.
+ And we can keep a list of package that should be compiled twice, that's
+ not the biggest problem to solve.
+
+--
+ Michael Scherer
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+<PRE> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:58:28 +0000, Donald Stewart wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm meant to be getting dooble, a new browser a d yacy working
+</I>&gt;<i> together in a rpm, the upstreams people who develop yacy seem to work
+</I>&gt;<i> with it on dooble.
+</I>
+ Yacy is kinda eating lots of ressources ( I was running a node before
+ it corrupted its
+ own db ), and that's a java software, they are often hard to package :/
+
+ But I would be quite happy to see us distributing ready to help package
+ for distributed search engine :)
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 19 February 2011 14:02, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 13:58:28 +0000, Donald Stewart wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm meant to be getting dooble, a new browser a d yacy working
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> together in a rpm, the upstreams people who develop yacy seem to work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with it on dooble.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yacy is kinda eating lots of ressources ( I was running a node before it
+</I>&gt;<i> corrupted its
+</I>&gt;<i> own db ), and that's a java software, they are often hard to package :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I would be quite happy to see us distributing ready to help package
+</I>&gt;<i> for distributed search engine :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I didn't get anywhere with it, Uni was starting again and I was still
+working full time. I might have a go tomorrow.
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 19 februari 2011 14:59:46 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 09:20:50 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 18 februari 2011 14:42:02 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 12:47 +0000, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; If there are two packages, one in core and another in tainted,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; doesn't urpmi need a way to recognise that the tainted package is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; newer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; than (an update to) the corresponding core package? I believe that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; plf
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; decided to be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; always
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; with a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; regexp.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This doesn't make much sense to treat tainted rpm as update to core,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this is not the same notion. But we cannot express this in urpmi for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; moment, as this would requires some way to say &quot;if you need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; install
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; something, prefer this source rather than this one&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; We can imagine a priority system, or we can simply say that if there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the same rpm on 2 media, we ask to the user ( except this would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; requires
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; IMHO a better system than the current path based one to see what is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; rpm, but that's a rather long proposal to make ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But you are right this another set of issues to solve for dual life
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; after sleeping on this, i've had this idea:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; why don't we rename packages in tainted?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; keeping them in the same name, perhaps has issues with search
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; engines, (ie:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which version do you get?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> with search engine ?
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see the issue for support, yes, but search engine, no
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i proposed renaming packages in tainted,(but not the release tag).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would it be a good compromise if we named packages:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;orig_packagename&gt;-tainted-&lt;version&gt;-&lt;release&gt; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the benefit of this could be adding an Obsoletes and Provides on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; original
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package with the identical version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This could work, but I am not sure that a Obsoletes is required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One problem with this idea is that it will ask to user lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> questions, and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> something we should rather try to avoid ( any people who installed some
+</I>&gt;<i> java rpm will
+</I>&gt;<i> understand the issue ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it has the advantage of not requiring anything special on BS while
+</I>&gt;<i> providing the choice.
+</I>
+if there is obsoletes, i don't think a question will be asked...
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; for building, i may have this solution:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; %tainted(%_optional_feature1 %optional_feature2 %optional_feature3)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this would allow the buildbot to look for %tainted and if it does,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; rebuild it for tainted and add the particulars itself. this would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; simplify the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whole plf/tainted thing easily. and since all 4 rpms are being built
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; same time, you have no srpm problem either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A simple %define would do the trick, so that doesn't bring much.
+</I>&gt;<i> And we can keep a list of package that should be compiled twice, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> not the biggest problem to solve.
+</I>
+
+well, it's an idea, that allows us to have all the functionality we want, and
+no manual intervention needed anymore.
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+install it if user choose a non-European country during install.
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+Put it on installation DVD would be good, but will increase download size. Other
+options are put it on a separated DVD or just at repositiries. However, we must
+study GPL for these last option.
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+see reason to continue using it.
+
+However, this is a great opportunity to us make agreement with great search
+engines and obtain funds. Maybe in the future we can have our own meta search
+engine, such like Big Busca - www.bigbusca.com .
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+&gt;<i> How do you plan deploy applications source code to user?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Put it on installation DVD would be good, but will increase download size. Other
+</I>&gt;<i> options are put it on a separated DVD or just at repositiries. However, we must
+</I>&gt;<i> study GPL for these last option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>We wont put it on the DVD, only on the mirrors, wich we already do in
+SRPMS on every mirror:
+
+for example:
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/SRPMS/</A>
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+i know this problem is probably discussed here before too but is it possible to use StartCom
+(<A HREF="http://cert.startcom.org">http://cert.startcom.org</A>) certificates for example. Those are free and supported by most
+popular browsers. Less problems and new people would have more trust in our servers.
+
+What do you think?
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+<PRE> On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:40:08 +0200, Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i know this problem is probably discussed here before too but is it
+</I>&gt;<i> possible to use StartCom
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://cert.startcom.org">http://cert.startcom.org</A>) certificates for example. Those are free
+</I>&gt;<i> and supported by most
+</I>&gt;<i> popular browsers. Less problems and new people would have more trust
+</I>&gt;<i> in our servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>
+ Well :
+ <A HREF="http://www.startssl.com/?app=25#2">http://www.startssl.com/?app=25#2</A>
+
+ While we are not a company, we are not a individual either, so i think
+ we are not eligible for the free certificate.
+
+ And yes, this was discussed before :
+ <A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-February/002645.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2011-February/002645.html</A>
+ ( and there is a older discussion on mageia-webteam )
+--
+ Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>On Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:40:08 am Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i know this problem is probably discussed here before too but is it
+</I>&gt;<i> possible to use StartCom (<A HREF="http://cert.startcom.org">http://cert.startcom.org</A>) certificates for
+</I>&gt;<i> example. Those are free and supported by most popular browsers. Less
+</I>&gt;<i> problems and new people would have more trust in our servers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>I saw on an earlier post that gandi is providing some help. If you use gandi
+($15/year) as a registrar you get a free certificate to put on apache
+just a thought.
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+<PRE>2011/2/18 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 18 f&#233;vrier 2011 &#224; 12:47 +0000, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If there are two packages, one in core and another in tainted, then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't urpmi need a way to recognise that the tainted package is newer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than (an update to) the corresponding core package? I believe that this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is achieved in Mandriva, because plf is greater than mdv.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's abusing release tag and it work by pure chance ( ie, had the plf
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to &#160;be called the guillomovitch liberation front, it would not
+</I>&gt;<i> have worked ). And this is quite inflexible, since people will always
+</I>&gt;<i> have plf packages, leading to users adding some rpm in skip.list with a
+</I>&gt;<i> regexp.
+</I>Exactly! :)
+
+I've just started to look into implementing support for favoring packages
+based on %disttag, I'm thinking about implementing it in a way similar to this:
+
+Say we have global variables such as these in urpmi.cfg:
+
+disttag-priority: plf,mdv,mga
+disttag-pin: 1
+disttag-pin-force: 0
+
+in urpmi:
+
+* if disttag-priority is defined, it will compared the disttag of all
+packages that
+has the same or newer version, and favor the one of those with the disttag
+that's highest on the disttag-priority list.
+
+* if disttag-pin is set, it will refuse to upgrade to a newer version
+of a package
+that has a different disttag than the one installed.
+
+* if disttag-pin-force is set, it will *always* upgrade/downgrade to the newest
+version of a package which has the highest priority match, ie. if foo-2-1mdv
+is installed, and the newest version with 'mga' disttag available in repos is
+foo-1-1mga, then it will downgrade to it.
+
+Notice that %disttag is a tag that's been implemented in rpm since long time
+ago, but was never really adopted for anything, so in rpm5 it was dusted off
+and was adjusted a tiny bit for it to be made possible to be defined globally
+through macro files read, similar to ie. %vendor etc.
+
+I've already in the past patched rpm 4.6 in cooker with support for at least
+recognizing %distepoch (but not for using it in version comparision, doing
+it should be fairly trivial though), I might've already made the change
+mentioned for %disttag as well in the same patch, I don't really remember,
+should anyhow be very trivial to do..
+
+So if you'd like to eliminate 'mga' from release and version comparision,
+you can already do so by making the minor change for %disttag, then
+make adjustments accordingly to %_build_name_fmt and %mkrel.
+
+Adopting distepoch as well will require slightly more, but won't really been
+hard (the hard part has already been tendered well after slamming cooker
+a bit more than expected..;) and would be a sane thing to adopt anyways..
+
+FWIW in .spec files, the preferred conditional would be:
+
+%if &quot;%disttag&quot; == &quot;mga&quot;
+blabla
+%else if &quot;%disttag&quot; == &quot;plf&quot;
+hubbabubba
+%else if &quot;%disttag&quot; == &quot;mdv&quot;
+boink!
+%endif
+
+WDYT?
+
+--
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+ <B>David W. Hodgins</B>
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+
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44</A>
+</I>
+Just an fyi. Tried installing the server kernel, but any attempt
+to boot it caused VirtualBox 4.0.2 to crash.
+
+Took around 48 hours to compile a custom kernel. When installing
+the modules, the root filesystem ran out of space.
+
+I used a knoppix dvd image to move /usr/src to /home, and created
+a symlink, in it's place.
+
+Even though fsck shows the filesystems to be clean, any attempt
+to boot now either crashes VirtualBox, or just gets a black screen
+with no response (doesn't matter which kernel I select).
+
+Tried installing the latest VirtualBox 4.0.4, but no change.
+
+Looks like I'm going to have to start over. This time I'll put
+the .vdi file on an ext2 filesystem, as there are known problems
+with ext4 and virtualbox, regarding the usage of the host i/o
+cache.
+
+I expect it'll be at least another three days before I can produce
+any comparison between using 1000 or 100 HZ timers.
+
+Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</PRE>
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+
+As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like
+to become a packager, but who don&#8217;t know where to look, what&#8217;s the path,
+what to do.
+
+As you may or may not know, mentoring started a few weeks ago, with some
+people who are already quite experienced in packaging.
+
+These people are making progress quite quickly, and will soon be able to
+be full-fledged packagers. Now, many of you would like to do that too.
+
+So how to get started ?
+-----------------------
+
+Well, there are several things you can already do.
+
+First, I suggest you to join #mageia-mentoring so that you can ask any
+question you&#8217;d like to people who are already packagers. Don&#8217;t hesitate
+to ask anything, there&#8217;s no stupid question. If you don&#8217;t get an
+immediate answer, don&#8217;t hesitate to ping us
+
+It would also be great that other mentors join the channel as well, so
+that we can answer people. At the moment ahmad, mikala, anssi, Nanar and
+I are on the channel.
+
+I know nothing about packaging, could you give me a pointer ?
+-------------------------------------------------------------
+
+There&#8217;s a documentation that tries to summarize how to do a rpm on this
+page:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=rpm_start</A>
+
+Don&#8217;t be afraid by the size of the page, take your time to read it.
+We would appreciate some feedbacks about this documentation. Tell us if
+some things are not clear, so that we can rephrase it, so that we can
+explain it to you.
+
+It&#8217;s not that hard really, and I suggest you to take a look at an
+existing spec to see how it&#8217;s done.
+
+At the moment, many packages have been imported, but many packages are
+also waiting for someone to maintain it. You can have a list of
+unmaintained packages here:
+<A HREF="http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1">http://maint.mandriva.com/listpkgs.php?owner=1</A>
+
+Beware, check first that the package is not deprecated, unmaintained
+upstream, and start with a small one, not very difficult, like a small
+console app or a game. Again, if some bits are difficult to understand,
+please tell us :-)
+
+
+I already know some bits of packaging, would like to package for mageia,
+what can I do ?
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+Packaging policies represent a good amount of doc that might be
+difficult to learn. You don&#8217;t have to know them by heart at first, just
+to know that they exist, and that you should refer to them when you are
+trying to do. For instance, if you&#8217;re interested in python packages, you
+don&#8217;t have to know the perl packaging policy, but you should know that
+they exist and refer to it if you have a perl dependency to your
+package.
+
+Package policies are listed in this page :
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=policies-review">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=policies-review</A>
+
+You might also have a look at the aforementionned rpm start page in case
+of doubt, and ask packagers when you don&#8217;t know.
+
+Come on #mageia-mentoring, so that you can get in touch with a mentor,
+and if he becomes available, you will be able to start with the various
+tools we use to build packages.
+
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+I do hope that this mail gives you a path to start with, please tell me
+if I am missing something, and again don&#8217;t be discouraged by the amount
+of documentation you will read.
+
+Regards,
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like
+</I>&gt;<i> to become a packager, but who don&#8217;t know where to look, what&#8217;s the path,
+</I>&gt;<i> what to do.
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+hi Remy, what about adding this text to a new wiki page?
+
+&gt;<i> Regards,
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+<PRE>Le 19/02/2011 22:31, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to become a packager, but who don&#8217;t know where to look, what&#8217;s the path,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what to do.
+</I>&gt;<i> hi Remy, what about adding this text to a new wiki page?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think it will be interesting in the final wiki, not the temporary one.
+
+
+Tanks for your work, R&#233;mi
+&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>
+
+--
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+<PRE>2011/2/19 Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 19/02/2011 22:31, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As the title says so, this mail is intended to all people who would like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to become a packager, but who don&#8217;t know where to look, what&#8217;s the path,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what to do.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi Remy, what about adding this text to a new wiki page?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it will be interesting in the final wiki, not the temporary one.
+</I>
+Here it is, already for weeks now
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</A>
+We are working on it to make it as complete as possible
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tanks for your work, R&#233;mi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+</I>&gt;<i> Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+I just saw, that apache-mpm-prefork package maybe contains problematic
+things.
+There is a note about it from Oden Erikson explaining things about the
+package in the rpm.
+--- begin ---
+The most significant changes with this release compared to apache up to
+Mandriva Linux 2006.0, 2007.0, 2007.1, 2008.0 and 2008.1
+
+ o mod_ssl has support for distcache, apr_memcache and SNI per
+default.
+ o The SSL certificates and directories has been moved to the new
+/etc/pki
+ directory structure.
+ o The SSL default vhost config file has been moved from
+ /etc/httpd/modules.d/41_mod_ssl.default-vhost.conf to
+ /etc/httpd/conf/vhosts.d/01_default_ssl_vhost.conf
+ o The new htcacheclean subpackage will monitor and clean the
+mod_proxy
+ (mod_disk_cache) directories at given intervals in a daemonized
+fashion.
+ You can tune this in the /etc/sysconfig/htcacheclean configuration
+file.
+ o There are three new experimental MPM's, the ITK, peruser and event
+MPM's.
+ Use these with caution because of their experimental status. The
+packages
+ are named:
+ - apache-mpm-event
+ - apache-mpm-itk
+ - apache-mpm-peruser
+
+Please read the following files for more in-depth information about the
+changes
+in apache 2.2; upgrading.txt and new_features_2_2.txt
+
+The best practise is to read the apache manual before sending in
+bugreports,
+please install apache-doc like so:
+
+urpmi apache-doc
+
+and then read the somewhat localized apache manual online at:
+
+<A HREF="http://localhost/manual/">http://localhost/manual/</A>
+
+Thanks in advance.
+
+Regards // Oden Eriksson
+--- end ---
+
+Shouldn't we write something on our own instead?
+
+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> I just saw, that apache-mpm-prefork package maybe contains
+</I>&gt;<i> problematic things.
+</I>Sorry, it's not apache-mpm-prefork, it's apache-base.
+
+Oliver
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+<LI><A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacation
+</A><A NAME="2679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is mageia bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is mageia bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacation
+</A><A NAME="2679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacation
+</A><A NAME="2679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is mageia bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Feb 19 23:49:46 CET 2011</i><br>
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+<!--0 01298081657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
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+<!--1 01298081657-01298123613- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01298081657-01298123613-01298123908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01298081657-01298123613-01298123908-01298124164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01298081657-01298123613-01298123908-01298124164-01298125986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01298081657-01298123613-01298136988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-dev] Is there any reason keeping ask.com as firefox's default search engine?
+</A><A NAME="2671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298103650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298103650-01298123986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01298103650-01298123986-01298126511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298136373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298136608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298136608-01298138064- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-dev] Source code deployment
+</A><A NAME="2672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298137208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298137208-01298138818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01298137208-01298140111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-dev] Mageia servers certificates
+</A><A NAME="2675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298143649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-dev] About panotools patent problem (and other problematic rpms)
+</A><A NAME="2676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298143733- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-dev] Where is mageia bugzilla
+</A><A NAME="2677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298146728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01298146728-01298151108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01298146728-01298151108-01298151457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01298146728-01298151108-01298151457-01298151616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-dev] So, you want to become a mageia packager
+</A><A NAME="2682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01298146866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-dev] Vacation
+</A><A NAME="2679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298154644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01298155786- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-dev] apache-mpm-prefork maybe contains problematic things
+</A><A NAME="2684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Feb 19 23:49:46 CET 2011</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Feb 19 23:49:55 CET 2011</i>
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