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Walsh <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org</A>>: +><i> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>><i> Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>>><i> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> >> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>>><i> >> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>><i> >>> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>>><i> >>> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>>><i> >>> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>>><i> >>> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>>><i> >>> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>>><i> >>> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>>><i> >>> e.g. "View". +</I>>><i> >>> +</I>>><i> >> I second this idea. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > I third it. +</I>>><i> > +</I>>><i> > Dale Huckeby +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Sounds good to me too! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I fourth it. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> One word of support comes to mind for this one: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Essential +</I> +The problem is: +If you hide too much ("Programs with GUI") the forums are crowded with +threads like + - "Install foo from the MCC" + - "I can't find it in the software management" + - "Did you set your media?" + - "Yes, foo is not there." + - "Did you change view to 'All'?" + - "Ah! Now I see it - very confusing!" +There were times when such postings were more than 10 per month! + +If you hide too few like "All" the unexperienced user is confused. He +will be surely confused by a list of options he hasn't any clue what +they mean. + +A solution could be to +1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +is something which would be hidden otherwise. + +Example: +gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. + +This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +"Programs with GUI" view. + +Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2686">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2686">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2686">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2686">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002687.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002687.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c37c95bf9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002687.html @@ -0,0 +1,80 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC75BA9.9090001%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002686.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002688.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC75BA9.9090001%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 00:52:25 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2687">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2687">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2687">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2687">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> A solution could be to +</I>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Example: +</I>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Excellent point. This mirrors something I suggested in another thread +about rpmdrake and repositories. Show anything, if it's asked for, +whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2687">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2687">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2687">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2687">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002688.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002688.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3b278d0ff --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002688.html @@ -0,0 +1,103 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010270110.55505.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002687.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002689.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010270110.55505.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 01:10:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2688">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2688">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2688">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2688">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 27 oktober 2010 00:52:25 schreef Frank Griffin: +><i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> > A solution could be to +</I>><i> > 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> > 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> > 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> > is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Example: +</I>><i> > gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> > standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> > field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> > as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> > list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> > "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. +</I>><i> > :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Excellent point. This mirrors something I suggested in another thread +</I>><i> about rpmdrake and repositories. Show anything, if it's asked for, +</I>><i> whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</I> +OTOH for new users, this overwelming choice of programs can be quite +overwelming. + +I would propose to have a bydefault hiding of most of the programs (more or +less like now); but when once clicked off, to be remembered for next time. + +OR + +when you search and find nothing; to get a display that the view is switched to +all; because it couldn't find your package + +OR + +have the results in two collapsable regions; where the first one contains the +"GUI" packages and the 2nd is collapsed by default (when the first one is +empty, it's collapsed and the 2nd one is open? + + +I want this to be usefull for new users (while not being unusefull for +contributers like myself) my dad, for instance, absolutely loves that by +default the GUI packages are listed; because he never uses any console. + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2688">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2688">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2688">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2688">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002689.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002689.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..100066b94 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002689.html @@ -0,0 +1,120 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC762F9.9050105%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002688.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002690.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC762F9.9050105%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 01:23:37 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2689">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2689">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2689">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2689">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Maarten Vanraes wrote: +><i> Op woensdag 27 oktober 2010 00:52:25 schreef Frank Griffin: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> A solution could be to +</I>>>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>>>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>>>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>>>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Example: +</I>>>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>>>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>>>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>>>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>>>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>>>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. +</I>>>><i> :) +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Excellent point. This mirrors something I suggested in another thread +</I>>><i> about rpmdrake and repositories. Show anything, if it's asked for, +</I>>><i> whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> OTOH for new users, this overwelming choice of programs can be quite +</I>><i> overwelming. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would propose to have a bydefault hiding of most of the programs (more or +</I>><i> less like now); but when once clicked off, to be remembered for next time. +</I>><i> +</I> +Umm, you *did* read the bit about how the would existing "hidden" +choices would be hidden by default ? +><i> OR +</I>><i> +</I>><i> when you search and find nothing; to get a display that the view is switched to +</I>><i> all; because it couldn't find your package +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, maybe a popup to the effect that if you change your view you might +see what you wanted... +><i> OR +</I>><i> +</I>><i> have the results in two collapsable regions; where the first one contains the +</I>><i> "GUI" packages and the 2nd is collapsed by default (when the first one is +</I>><i> empty, it's collapsed and the 2nd one is open? +</I>><i> +</I> +I think the above popup would do. + +><i> +</I>><i> I want this to be usefull for new users (while not being unusefull for +</I>><i> contributers like myself) my dad, for instance, absolutely loves that by +</I>><i> default the GUI packages are listed; because he never uses any console. +</I>><i> +</I> +Hmm. Does your dad really care, or are you just projecting onto him ? +In other words, did he actually use rpmdrake back when "All" was the +default and have a problem with it, or are you just assuming that he'd +want GUI packages by default because of what you know he likes ? +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2689">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2689">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2689">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2689">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002690.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002690.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2d3dc7a40 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002690.html @@ -0,0 +1,130 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010270224.41823.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002689.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002694.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010270224.41823.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 02:24:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op woensdag 27 oktober 2010 01:23:37 schreef Frank Griffin: +><i> Maarten Vanraes wrote: +</I>><i> > Op woensdag 27 oktober 2010 00:52:25 schreef Frank Griffin: +</I>><i> >> Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> >>> A solution could be to +</I>><i> >>> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or +</I>><i> >>> CLI) 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> >>> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> >>> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> Example: +</I>><i> >>> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> >>> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> >>> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> >>> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> >>> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> >>> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >>> :) +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Excellent point. This mirrors something I suggested in another thread +</I>><i> >> about rpmdrake and repositories. Show anything, if it's asked for, +</I>><i> >> whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > OTOH for new users, this overwelming choice of programs can be quite +</I>><i> > overwelming. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I would propose to have a bydefault hiding of most of the programs (more +</I>><i> > or less like now); but when once clicked off, to be remembered for next +</I>><i> > time. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Umm, you *did* read the bit about how the would existing "hidden" +</I>><i> choices would be hidden by default ? +</I> +maybe not, there's a lot of email... + +><i> > OR +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > when you search and find nothing; to get a display that the view is +</I>><i> > switched to all; because it couldn't find your package +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Well, maybe a popup to the effect that if you change your view you might +</I>><i> see what you wanted... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > OR +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > have the results in two collapsable regions; where the first one contains +</I>><i> > the "GUI" packages and the 2nd is collapsed by default (when the first +</I>><i> > one is empty, it's collapsed and the 2nd one is open? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think the above popup would do. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > I want this to be usefull for new users (while not being unusefull for +</I>><i> > contributers like myself) my dad, for instance, absolutely loves that by +</I>><i> > default the GUI packages are listed; because he never uses any console. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Hmm. Does your dad really care, or are you just projecting onto him ? +</I>><i> In other words, did he actually use rpmdrake back when "All" was the +</I>><i> default and have a problem with it, or are you just assuming that he'd +</I>><i> want GUI packages by default because of what you know he likes ? +</I> +i put him on Mandriva for a while now; and he's the type that doesn't know +much about computers, but likes to experiment a little, and install and try +some programs; since he never uses konsole; in the past he's installed quite +some programs that he couldn't find in the menu. + +He did mention that he found it odd that there were less programs, (he +remembered there being more programs), but they were almost all locatable in +the menu, and i specifically remember him mentioning this to me. +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2690">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2690">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2690">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2690">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002691.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002691.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..44ceccb1c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002691.html @@ -0,0 +1,69 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010271014.12516.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Re: Suggestions (Marc Par?) +</I>><i> 2. Re: Suggestions (Ahmad Samir) +</I>><i> 3. Re: Suggestions (Luca Berra) +</I>><i> 4. Re: network balancing by default (Luca Berra) +</I>><i> 5. Re: network balancing by default (Maarten Vanraes) +</I>><i> 6. Re: network balancing by default (Maarten Vanraes) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Message: 1 +</I>><i> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 00:31:21 -0400 +</I>><i> From: Marc Par?<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>> +</I>><i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> +</I>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</I>><i> Message-ID:<ia316p$26i$<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1 at dough.gmane.org</A>> +</I>><i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Le 2010-10-25 00:12, Kira a ?crit : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> ? Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:59:25 +0800, Marc Par?<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>??: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I think that it is pretty clear that packagers don't really want to +</I>>>><i> deal with updating description, but the users would like to have +</I>>>><i> updated descriptions. So, what if there was a group of users in charge +</I>>>><i> of updating the package descriptions/translations where needed? Would +</I>>>><i> this work? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> The problem is that currently if we want to translate the description, then +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> we have to modify the SPEC of the RPM, which can only be done with +</I>>><i> packager. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Like the previous messages, we have 2 methods to choose: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1 .po files for 1 package +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> or +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1 .po files for multiple packages +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The first one would cause many .po files to maintain, while the other +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> cause the maintainence hard( too complicate). +</I>>><i> ==== +</I>>><i> I think maybe a more aggresive way is better: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Make the detailed description available only for programs, not packages. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Currently the RPMDRAKE is packages based, which is hard for newbies to find +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> programs they need and the amount of the description need to maintain +</I>>><i> also scares +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> everyone off. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> The "Programs with GUI" option is the first step, but I think we should +</I>>><i> step further, +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> let people install programs, not packages. Therefore, we can ease both +</I>>><i> the difficulty +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> of maintain descriptions and installation harsh. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Ah! I guess my choice of words. I am still finding my way around the +</I>><i> jargon. I would have meant all of this for software. Yes. This would all +</I>><i> make sense. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I agree with you. And as stated earlier, often the description has been +</I>><i> updated on the programme's website and there is little fiddling around +</I>><i> to include it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I also believe that we should try to help the devs as much as possible +</I>><i> and make their work as much as "developer" by nature as possible. We can +</I>><i> take care of the more mundane tasks for them. Let's let them code to +</I>><i> their heart's delight and we will just gain more from their hard and +</I>><i> generous work. Just as they will with us. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> BTW, in my opinion, the default GUI setting in the MCC was not a right +</I>><i> choice. It excluded too many pieces of software for users. I usually +</I>><i> recommended people to select the "All" setting, and from there to search +</I>><i> for the ideal programme. There are just not enough GUI packages in the +</I>><i> repos to make it fun in that particular sections. Everything should be +</I>><i> available to the user. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> ------------------------------ +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Message: 2 +</I>><i> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 07:42:49 +0200 +</I>><i> From: Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>> +</I>><i> To: Mageia general discussions<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>> +</I>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</I>><i> Message-ID: +</I>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTikoW1ZvJ26Gq8bBWzEjKzvpcZ9D_Ouy33bcZFh5 at mail.gmail.com</A>> +</I>><i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 +</I>><i> +</I>><i> On 25 October 2010 02:19, Wayne Sallee<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Michael Scherer wrote on 10/23/2010 08:52 PM: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le dimanche 24 octobre 2010 ? ?02:09 +0200, Tux99 a ??crit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Come on... the effort of adding a decent description is minimal for a +</I>>>>><i> packager, the effort for a normal user of making a patch is much +</I>>>>><i> higher, this is not a very friendly answer towards the users... +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I think I demonstrated in the past that constant friendliness toward +</I>>>><i> users is not one of my distinctive characteristics. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> The patch arguent is invalid, because people can also send mail, like +</I>>>><i> "here is a better description of package $FOO because I didn't +</I>>>><i> understood the current one and I wanted to help". +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> So while sending a email and finding the packager email can be hard for +</I>>>><i> some people, I doubt that sending a email is hard for everybody. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> If writing a decent description is easy and almost effortless, and if +</I>>>><i> sending a email is easy, then what is difficult into doing both ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I agree that it is only logical to contribute by e-mailing the packager +</I>>><i> about an improvement need in the package, but some packagers don't want you +</I>>><i> e-mailing them about their package. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As a community distro, we want to try to make it comfortable and easy for +</I>>><i> everyone to get involved. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Knowing that many packagers are not going to want you e-mailing them about +</I>>><i> their package, reduces the number of people that will take the time to +</I>>><i> e-mail them with such contribution. Of course what makes it easier for one, +</I>>><i> makes it harder for another, so there needs to be balance there. Sometimes +</I>>><i> our expectations are expecting too much from the other who is working a lot +</I>>><i> of thankless hours to keep the distro going. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> It's all about balance and efficiency, and making it easy for people to +</I>>><i> start contributing, and realizing that some jobs are more time consuming +</I>>><i> than we might think. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Developing systems and protocols help keep things running efficient, and +</I>>><i> moving forward. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Wayne Sallee +</I>>><i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, using bugzilla is usually better; an advantage of filing a bug +</I>><i> report over sending a personal email is that the bug gets more +</I>><i> exposure and any packager who has a bit of free time and can fix it +</I>><i> (especially if you're talking about just changing the package +</I>><i> description) will do so; i.e. the whole process becomes faster by +</I>><i> distributing the workload (especially not-too-invasive package +</I>><i> changes). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>Perhaps the packagers and the backporters (assuming we have any) should +have their own digest mailing list. The packagers are very busy but the +backporters (community members with the basic knowledge to make an RPM +from Cauldron) would be proud and happy to make sense of users package +description suggestions and pass on a heads up to the packager if a good +suggestion comes along. It would cut down on the noise that a true +packager would have to wade through and, once a relationship is +developed between a packager and a backporter, 'could' make the +packagers job somewhat easier while at the same time (assuming that the +backporters are good community members i.e. IRC, newbie and expert +mailing list etc.) give users an easily accessible point of contact for +regular users. I think users would appreciate this. Backporters would +be glad to be a part of both the user and dev community and packagers +would be able to participate in the community at the level they feel +they are able to without feeling that they are stretched thin. +While I'm on this subject. I think it might be a good idea to have +assigned backporters for packages or groups of packages. Just a thought. +benja22 + + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002706.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2693">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2693">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2693">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2693">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002694.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002694.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..04dd1ee6f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002694.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC8024A.6020607%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002690.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002699.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC8024A.6020607%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 12:43:22 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2694">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2694">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2694">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2694">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Maarten Vanraes wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> i put him on Mandriva for a while now; and he's the type that doesn't know +</I>><i> much about computers, but likes to experiment a little, and install and try +</I>><i> some programs; since he never uses konsole; in the past he's installed quite +</I>><i> some programs that he couldn't find in the menu. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> He did mention that he found it odd that there were less programs, (he +</I>><i> remembered there being more programs), but they were almost all locatable in +</I>><i> the menu, and i specifically remember him mentioning this to me. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>The menu structure is a different problem. There is no reason why "not +GUI" should equal "not in the menus". For my money, if I deliberately +install a program I want to see it in the menu whether it's GNOME, KDE, +or CLI. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2694">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2694">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2694">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2694">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002695.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002695.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..6b0ceea08 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002695.html @@ -0,0 +1,114 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik1CZrM0%2BjEtWwU5_pwU-mMsoOMiVQAxNXXyDYB%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002702.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002696.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTik1CZrM0%2BjEtWwU5_pwU-mMsoOMiVQAxNXXyDYB%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 13:04:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2695">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2695">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2695">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2695">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 27 October 2010 00:16, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> The problem is: +</I>><i> If you hide too much ("Programs with GUI") the forums are crowded with +</I>><i> threads like +</I>><i>  - "Install foo from the MCC" +</I>><i>  - "I can't find it in the software management" +</I>><i>  - "Did you set your media?" +</I>><i>  - "Yes, foo is not there." +</I>><i>  - "Did you change view to 'All'?" +</I>><i>  - "Ah! Now I see it - very confusing!" +</I>><i> There were times when such postings were more than 10 per month! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you hide too few like "All" the unexperienced user is confused. He +</I>><i> will be surely confused by a list of options he hasn't any clue what +</I>><i> they mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A solution could be to +</I>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Example: +</I>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> +</I> +What's "standard view" in this context? standard view is empty when I +open rpmdrake; or you mean when one selects a group/category from the +list on the left? + +><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well that's the same problem, you search for 'amarok' you'll get a lot +of packages, libs, -utils,-scripts (double that number on 64bit +installs as you'll see both x86_64 and i586 packages). + +I still think a "Show more" button, however it is implemented, is a good idea... + +><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</I>><i> +</I> + + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2695">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2695">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2695">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2695">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002696.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002696.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..249c2097f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002696.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinWyK0zN0Ux9fXZtF%2BNQj%2B9S6fKMp8%3DFKQbW8Q0%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002695.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002705.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinWyK0zN0Ux9fXZtF%2BNQj%2B9S6fKMp8%3DFKQbW8Q0%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 14:43:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2696">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2696">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2696">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2696">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/27 Ahmad Samir <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> What's "standard view" in this context? +</I> +Current standard view is "Programs with GUI". + +wobo +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2696">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2696">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2696">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2696">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002697.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002697.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b0e514374 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002697.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia99bu%24lf8%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002691.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002698.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia99bu%24lf8%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 15:27:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2697">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2697">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2697">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2697">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-27 04:14, Morgan Leijström a écrit : +><i> Den 2010-10-27 00:52:25 skrev Frank Griffin: +</I>>><i> Show anything, if it's asked for, +</I>>><i> whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe the packages could be visibly clearly coded by colour or simple symbols +</I>><i> wether they are GUI, console, or "other" (libs, language files, kernel... or +</I>><i> maybe kernel and other system essentials shoulkd have a special group) +</I>><i> +</I> +Using colours for categories are usually not a good idea due to some +users' "colour blindness". In my opinion, colour categorization should +never be considered. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2697">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2697">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2697">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2697">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002698.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002698.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..90145ef38 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002698.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288187216.4401.198.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002697.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002702.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288187216.4401.198.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 15:46:55 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002697.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2698">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2698">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2698">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2698">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mercredi 27 octobre 2010 à 09:27 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : +><i> Le 2010-10-27 04:14, Morgan Leijström a écrit : +</I>><i> > Den 2010-10-27 00:52:25 skrev Frank Griffin: +</I>><i> >> Show anything, if it's asked for, +</I>><i> >> whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Maybe the packages could be visibly clearly coded by colour or simple symbols +</I>><i> > wether they are GUI, console, or "other" (libs, language files, kernel... or +</I>><i> > maybe kernel and other system essentials shoulkd have a special group) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Using colours for categories are usually not a good idea due to some +</I>><i> users' "colour blindness". In my opinion, colour categorization should +</I>><i> never be considered. +</I> +I concur. +This is something explain in Gnome HIG +( <A HREF="http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/design-color.html">http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/design-color.html</A> ), +and if I remember well my Human Interaction classes, colors may have +different cultural connotations and so we should avoid to carrying too +much information in it. But usually, the colorblind reason is enough to +convince people :) + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002697.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2698">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2698">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2698">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2698">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002699.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002699.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..920eda29e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002699.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010271752.07789.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002694.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002701.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Renaud MICHEL</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010271752.07789.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 17:52:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2699">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2699">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2699">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2699">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On mercredi 27 octobre 2010 at 12:43, Frank Griffin wrote : +><i> The menu structure is a different problem. There is no reason why "not +</I>><i> GUI" should equal "not in the menus". For my money, if I deliberately +</I>><i> install a program I want to see it in the menu whether it's GNOME, KDE, +</I>><i> or CLI. +</I> +That could work for CLI programs that have a curse-based UI, so you can +simply launch them in a terminal. +That's what is actually done for htop (maybe others). +But most CLI programs are meant to be used by giving them appropriate +command-line arguments, and so are useless from a menu and only useful in a +shell. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2699">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2699">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2699">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2699">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002700.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002700.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b77f3b150 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002700.html @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288196075.4584.16.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002705.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002703.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>George J. Walsh</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288196075.4584.16.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 18:14:35 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Wed, 2010-10-27 at 00:16 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> 2010/10/26 George J. Walsh <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org</A>>: +</I>><i> > On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +</I>><i> >> Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>><i> >> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> >> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>><i> >> >> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> >> >>> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>><i> >> >>> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>><i> >> >>> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>><i> >> >>> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>><i> >> >>> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>><i> >> >>> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>><i> >> >>> e.g. "View". +</I>><i> >> >>> +</I>><i> >> >> I second this idea. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > I third it. +</I>><i> >> > +</I>><i> >> > Dale Huckeby +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Sounds good to me too! +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> I fourth it. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> >> Marc +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > One word of support comes to mind for this one: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Essential +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The problem is: +</I>><i> If you hide too much ("Programs with GUI") the forums are crowded with +</I>><i> threads like +</I>><i> - "Install foo from the MCC" +</I>><i> - "I can't find it in the software management" +</I>><i> - "Did you set your media?" +</I>><i> - "Yes, foo is not there." +</I>><i> - "Did you change view to 'All'?" +</I>><i> - "Ah! Now I see it - very confusing!" +</I>><i> There were times when such postings were more than 10 per month! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you hide too few like "All" the unexperienced user is confused. He +</I>><i> will be surely confused by a list of options he hasn't any clue what +</I>><i> they mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A solution could be to +</I>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Example: +</I>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</I> +Yes, appreciate what your are suggesting. + +I have, over the years, developed a detailed 40 page configuration guide +which is amended with each 'stable' release, although I have worked in +the cooker environment for some 9 years now. We start with 'custom', +make very minimal changes in the selection list, make GNOME the desktop +and go on from there .... + +Once the system is up and running, we have a detailed list of packages +to be installed via urpmi to meet our own requirements. + +Frankly, I value highly the need for the search utility continuing to +search for everything all the time. This is how I began to appreciate +just how much was 'under the hood'. I do not use the gui groupings to +select packages after the initial install, because I find it repetitive +and time consuming, not to mention incomplete. That is NOT to say I +don't think it serves any purpose, it just doesn't for me. + +I don't think we need add extra labels to what we have - even the much +derided 'newbie' knows what a search is, and the power of that search is +an eye-opener for most folks. It invites the curious to learn which is a +great outcome, no? + +George + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002703.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2700">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2700">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2700">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2700">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002701.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002701.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..06ffc3189 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002701.html @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC85154.6070600%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002699.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002704.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC85154.6070600%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 18:20:36 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2701">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2701">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2701">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2701">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Renaud MICHEL wrote: +><i> On mercredi 27 octobre 2010 at 12:43, Frank Griffin wrote : +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> The menu structure is a different problem. There is no reason why "not +</I>>><i> GUI" should equal "not in the menus". For my money, if I deliberately +</I>>><i> install a program I want to see it in the menu whether it's GNOME, KDE, +</I>>><i> or CLI. +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> That could work for CLI programs that have a curse-based UI, so you can +</I>><i> simply launch them in a terminal. +</I>><i> That's what is actually done for htop (maybe others). +</I>><i> But most CLI programs are meant to be used by giving them appropriate +</I>><i> command-line arguments, and so are useless from a menu and only useful in a +</I>><i> shell. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>I should have been more precise. If I deliberately install a CLI +program, and it is suitable for launching in a terminal from a menu +item, then I want to see a menu item for it. There are plenty of +non-curses CLI applications that have an interactive mode, e.g. telnet, +ftp, nslookup. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2701">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2701">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2701">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2701">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002702.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002702.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2ac504579 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002702.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010271843.08851.fri%40tribun.eu%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002698.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002695.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Morgan Leijström</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C201010271843.08851.fri%40tribun.eu%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">fri at tribun.eu + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 18:43:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2702">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2702">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2702">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2702">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Den 2010-10-27 15:46:55 skrev Michael Scherer: +><i> Le mercredi 27 octobre 2010 à 09:27 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit : +</I>><i> > Le 2010-10-27 04:14, Morgan Leijström a écrit : +</I>><i> > > Den 2010-10-27 00:52:25 skrev Frank Griffin: +</I>><i> > >> Show anything, if it's asked for, +</I>><i> > >> whether the source is "disabled" or not. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Maybe the packages could be visibly clearly coded by colour or simple +</I>><i> > > symbols wether they are GUI, console, or "other" (libs, language files, +</I>><i> > > kernel... or maybe kernel and other system essentials shoulkd have a +</I>><i> > > special group) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Using colours for categories are usually not a good idea due to some +</I>><i> > users' "colour blindness". In my opinion, colour categorization should +</I>><i> > never be considered. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I concur. +</I>><i> This is something explain in Gnome HIG +</I>><i> ( <A HREF="http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/design-color.html">http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/design-color.html</A> ), +</I>><i> and if I remember well my Human Interaction classes, colors may have +</I>><i> different cultural connotations and so we should avoid to carrying too +</I>><i> much information in it. But usually, the colorblind reason is enough to +</I>><i> convince people :) +</I> +Good points + +It can be done in a clear way without colours; i.e +o Bold for GUI +o Normal for Console +o Underlined for crucial system parts +o Italic for "other" + +On top of this they may also be color coded in dark colours, +so they are nice looking for most of us, AND cleraly seen for everyone. +Example: + +o Bold for GUI, dark green +o Normal for Console, dark blue +o Underlined for crucial system parts, dark red +o Italic for "other", black + +But i think the colors could be chosen as mixtures so also all different kind +of colourblind people see defference in colours. +Also avoiding + +( What is much harder, and i donṫ think is given much attention, is designing +icon themes, logos etc also for colour blindness, but it is mentionned in the +link you gave ) +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2702">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2702">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2702">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2702">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002703.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002703.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..63110558e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002703.html @@ -0,0 +1,170 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC87018.8060708%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002700.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002693.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC87018.8060708%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 20:31:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 119 Package descriptions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2703">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2703">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2703">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2703">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/26 George J. Walsh<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>>>>>>><i> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>>>>>>><i> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>>>>>>><i> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>>>>>>><i> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>>>>>>><i> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>>>>>>><i> e.g. "View". +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I second this idea. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I third it. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Sounds good to me too! +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I fourth it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Marc +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> One word of support comes to mind for this one: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Essential +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The problem is: +</I>><i> If you hide too much ("Programs with GUI") the forums are crowded with +</I>><i> threads like +</I>><i> - "Install foo from the MCC" +</I>><i> - "I can't find it in the software management" +</I>><i> - "Did you set your media?" +</I>><i> - "Yes, foo is not there." +</I>><i> - "Did you change view to 'All'?" +</I>><i> - "Ah! Now I see it - very confusing!" +</I>><i> There were times when such postings were more than 10 per month! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you hide too few like "All" the unexperienced user is confused. He +</I>><i> will be surely confused by a list of options he hasn't any clue what +</I>><i> they mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A solution could be to +</I>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Example: +</I>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</I>><i> +</I> +Seems clear to me. That's a workable approach. +However, I'd prefer something a little different. + +If the packages are displayed by category, libraries are mostly already +separated, so they don't pose a problem. (But my approach would work +with them as well.) + +Localisations could be grouped in a folding entry (much like +subdirectories in the Nautilus file browser), openable with a click to +see all the localisations. Thus avoiding seeing more than one such line +except when one wishes to access localisation packages. +The idea to only display localisations installed is good. They could +also be displayed separately from folded non-installed localisations. + +We could even have a global option to display/install only certain +localisations. +This could be used not only for separate packages, but to avoid +installing localisation files inside a package that one has no intention +of using, thus reducing a lot of clutter - and wasted disk space. +(Personally, I don't need anything more than the various French and +English localisations.) +This alone would be a very good idea. + +Subsidiary packages associated with a particular application could also +be folded into one line by default, as well. + +With this approach, we won't need a "hide everything but the application +packages" option, as that is essentially what would appear by default. +"Experts" need only expand the folded lines to see all the hidden packages. + +Also, we could have more than 2 levels if we find in useful in the +future, for more finely tuning the display. +Note that in the Microsoft environment, this approach has been used for +the installation of many application suites. WordPerfect suite comes to +mind. (More than 10 years ago ;) ) + +In any case, Rpmdrake needs to be enhanced. + +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 119 Package descriptions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2703">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2703">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2703">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2703">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002704.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002704.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a0e57c5b1 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002704.html @@ -0,0 +1,81 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC8730F.5070406%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002701.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002691.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC8730F.5070406%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 20:44:31 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2704">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2704">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2704">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2704">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Frank Griffin a écrit : +><i> Maarten Vanraes wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> i put him on Mandriva for a while now; and he's the type that doesn't know +</I>>><i> much about computers, but likes to experiment a little, and install and try +</I>>><i> some programs; since he never uses konsole; in the past he's installed quite +</I>>><i> some programs that he couldn't find in the menu. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> He did mention that he found it odd that there were less programs, (he +</I>>><i> remembered there being more programs), but they were almost all locatable in +</I>>><i> the menu, and i specifically remember him mentioning this to me. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The menu structure is a different problem. There is no reason why "not +</I>><i> GUI" should equal "not in the menus". For my money, if I deliberately +</I>><i> install a program I want to see it in the menu whether it's GNOME, KDE, +</I>><i> or CLI. +</I>><i> +</I> +Exactly. If a CLI program is not used regularly, it is easy to forget +the exact spelling or syntax if it's not in the menu, even for a +programmer like myself. +So I add almost all programs installed to the menu, if missing. +A lot of CLI programs have internal menus, and thus are readily usable +by even novice users. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2704">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2704">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2704">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2704">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002705.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002705.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b6eba2558 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002705.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC875ED.8070909%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002696.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002700.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC875ED.8070909%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Wed Oct 27 20:56:45 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2705">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2705">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2705">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2705">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/27 Ahmad Samir<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> What's "standard view" in this context? +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> Current standard view is "Programs with GUI". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> wobo +</I>><i> +</I> +Either GUI should be changed to menuable -- as many CLI programs have +internal menus, and thus can be usefully invoked from the menu. Thus +potentially giving as much ease-or-use as GUI programs, depending of +course on the subject of the program. +Otherwise a default of "All" would be more useful, in my mind. +By the way, that seems to be typical of many CLI game programs, very +friendly to novice users. + +- André +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2705">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2705">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2705">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2705">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002706.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002706.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..03875787e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/002706.html @@ -0,0 +1,75 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it? 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+If i search vlc, it would be for sure that i want the player... and if i want a +lib thing i write the name and it should be recognized that i need a lib and not +a program with ´lib´ in it´s name. +Also if i actually search for a program with ´lib´ in the name, a button should +auto appear to show less results ( meaning just GUI´s)... and if i want vlc +lib´s, a button with show more results... + +´lib´ and´vlc´ are just for the sake of simplicity + +I hope i´m not annoying, +Dan. + + + + +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101027/2880dd58/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 119 Package descriptions +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2706">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2706">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2706">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2706">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..c0804a05a --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101027/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,147 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 27 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>27 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 27 00:16:16 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 27 23:13:11 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 20<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 119 Package descriptions +</A><A NAME="2693"> </A> +<I>Ben +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2686"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2696"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2687"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2689"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2694"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2701"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2691"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2702"> </A> +<I>Morgan Leijström +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2699"> </A> +<I>Renaud MICHEL +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002706.html">[Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it? 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