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diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002655.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002655.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddc5cda14 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002655.html @@ -0,0 +1,176 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC5FE3C.7090501%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002656.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC5FE3C.7090501%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 00:01:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2655">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2655">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2655">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2655">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>andre999 a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 2010/10/25 Wayne Sallee <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Wolfgang Bornath wrote on 10/25/2010 12:24 PM: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> I don't think it would help. There is (was) the tag "Doc" +</I>><i> (or +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> similar) in Bugzilla which already marked the bug as +</I>><i> something +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> related to documentation. Somebody who is concerned and +</I>><i> ignored +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> that would also ignore a separate section and vice versa. +</I>><i> I like +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> a more general approach involving the users and packagers +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> >> likewise: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > Yea I think that having it all in the same bugzilla is best, +</I>><i> though +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > most newbees are not going to think of posting the issue in a +</I>><i> bug +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > report. Most newbees are going to think that bug reports are +</I>><i> for +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > the software not working right. So I think we need to somehow +</I>><i> let +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > the newbees know that bugzilla is the place to report +</I>><i> improvements +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> > needed in rpm documentation. +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> That's where the part is coming in which you cut from the quote of +</I>><i> my +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> mail :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about "docuzilla", a place to treat documentation ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is a fundamental difference between software bugs, and +</I>><i> documentation considerations. +</I>><i> Software bugs often do not have an obvious cause, and generally +</I>><i> require a level of technical +</I>><i> expertise that surpasses the average user. +</I>><i> For documentation, the problem, and its solution, are generally +</I>><i> obvious to an average user who understands +</I>><i> the language in question. +</I>><i> There is the problem, for the package description, of knowing what the +</I>><i> program does, but although +</I>><i> the developers can give a technical description, this often has to be +</I>><i> reworked to be in a form +</I>><i> the average non-technical user can understand. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1) Documentation and text displayed in programs have to be localised. +</I>><i> Program logic does not. +</I>><i> (At least, beyond doing internationised coding.) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2) Documentation has to be presented in a manner that non-technical +</I>><i> users can understand. +</I>><i> Program logic has to be presented in a manner that technical people +</I>><i> can follow. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3) Problems with documentation is generally best corrected by +</I>><i> non-technical users. +</I>><i> Program logic is the domain of technical specialists. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 4) Documentation is best developed and corrected together, in +</I>><i> essentially the same process. +</I>><i> Program development and debugging are different processes, although +</I>><i> they can involve the +</I>><i> same people. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Bugzilla could be used for both types of problems. Maybe just +</I>><i> separating the input and +</I>><i> correction interfaces would suffice, but it seems to me that we +</I>><i> really need to take a +</I>><i> different approach to the 2 types of problems. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here we are all technical people (not necessarily developers), and we +</I>><i> have no problem with bug +</I>><i> reports, etc. +</I>><i> But many documenters and translaters are essentially non-technical, +</I>><i> and they should have a good +</I>><i> sense of presentation to non-technical users in order to make credible +</I>><i> contributions. +</I>><i> And when they contribute corrections, they have no need of the +</I>><i> formalised process of bugzilla. +</I>><i> A correction is generally a quick glance, verify the context, and it's +</I>><i> done. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Whence my proposal for a separate section of bugzilla. More +</I>><i> accessible for non-technical users, +</I>><i> who thus risque to contribute more actively to Mageia. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> But if anyone has a better idea ... +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Another 2 cents :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - André +</I> +BTW, just think of our interactions, at least wobo and myself, with +those in the marketing group. +A different focus can require a different approach ... :) + +- André + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2655">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2655">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2655">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2655">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002656.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002656.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4eae4f0dc --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002656.html @@ -0,0 +1,94 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010251716530.11565%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002655.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002657.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010251716530.11565%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 00:22:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Seperate log-files for each part of Mageia? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2656">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2656">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2656">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2656">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Mon, 25 Oct 2010, Michael Scherer wrote: + +><i> Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 18:24 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +</I>>><i> 2010/10/25 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>>>><i> Le lundi 25 octobre 2010 à 11:37 -0400, andre999 a écrit : +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Exactly. I'm getting more and more the sense that there should be a +</I>>>>><i> separate bugzilla section for documentation, which would include +</I>>>>><i> packaging descriptions. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Ie, a separate section ? +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> What would it achieve that the current bugzilla system would not ? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't think it would help. There is (was) the tag "Doc" (or similar) +</I>>><i> in Bugzilla which already marked the bug as something related to +</I>>><i> documentation. Somebody who is concerned and ignored that would also +</I>>><i> ignore a separate section and vice versa. +</I>>><i> I like a more general approach involving the users and packagers likewise: +</I>>><i> - see a lack of or bad description in the "Individual package +</I>>><i> selection and/or rpmdrake +</I>>><i> - report it as a bug, giving the necessary explanation (in an ideal +</I>>><i> world offer a good description yourself) +</I>>><i> - triage team dedicates the bug to either the packager or the +</I>>><i> developper who inserts the description in the installer. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would even add a tag on it, for junior job, or something like that. Ie +</I>><i> small changes that can be done by newer packagers, just to learn how to +</I>><i> change a package without requiring specific technical skills. +</I> +Funny you should say that. I was thinking along similar lines, that new +packagers could do some of the small, simple stuff to get experience AND +reduce the load on experienced packagers. I hope this gets implemented. +I'd be interested (albeit with some trepidation) in being a "junior +packager" myself. Having apprentices, who do a lot of the simple stuff, +is in my opinion the way to go. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Seperate log-files for each part of Mageia? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2656">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2656">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2656">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2656">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002657.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002657.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..edb36b1cf --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002657.html @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Seperate log-files for each part of Mageia? 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There is (was) the tag "Doc" +</I>><i> (or +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > >> similar) in Bugzilla which already marked the bug as +</I>><i> something +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > >> related to documentation. Somebody who is concerned and +</I>><i> ignored +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > >> that would also ignore a separate section and vice versa. +</I>><i> I like +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > >> a more general approach involving the users and packagers +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > >> likewise: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > Yea I think that having it all in the same bugzilla is best, +</I>><i> though +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > most newbees are not going to think of posting the issue in a +</I>><i> bug +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > report. Most newbees are going to think that bug reports are +</I>><i> for +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > the software not working right. So I think we need to somehow +</I>><i> let +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > the newbees know that bugzilla is the place to report +</I>><i> improvements +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > > needed in rpm documentation. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > That's where the part is coming in which you cut from the quote of +</I>><i> my +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > mail :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> What about "docuzilla", a place to treat documentation ? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> There is a fundamental difference between software bugs, and +</I>><i> documentation considerations. +</I>><i> Software bugs often do not have an obvious cause, and generally require +</I>><i> a level of technical +</I>><i> expertise that surpasses the average user. +</I>><i> For documentation, the problem, and its solution, are generally obvious +</I>><i> to an average user who understands the language in question. +</I> +I am sorry to tell that so abruptly, but I think this would be wrong : + +1) this would create confusion. If a software do not act like +documented, is this a error of documentation or a error of the +software ? How do we expect people to decide ? + +2) do you really think that having twice the cognitive load will better +for a regular user ? ( ie having to learn 1 system, then another for a +different class of problem ) + +3) do you really think that developers would like to have such +dispersion ? ( ie having to look at 2 place to find stuff to correct ? ) +( in case there is 2 different system, of course ) + +And if we take the current bugzilla instance at mandriva +( <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mandriva%">https://qa.mandriva.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mandriva%</A> +20Linux&format=guided ), what part would be changed for documentation of +rpm, ie what do you think that should be removed ? + +The 2 only thing I can think of would be +"url" ( who is optional ) and mainly because I would also likely remove +it for regular software. + +I would also remove the privacy option, because it somewhat irrelevant +with the current set of option for documentation, but I doubt this would +warrant a full change in the interface. + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Seperate log-files for each part of Mageia? +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002660.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2658">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2658">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2658">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2658">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002659.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002659.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ca656f114 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002659.html @@ -0,0 +1,127 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20network%20balancing%20by%20default&In-Reply-To=%3C201010260254.01262.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002678.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002684.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default</H1> + <B>P. Christeas</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20network%20balancing%20by%20default&In-Reply-To=%3C201010260254.01262.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default">p_christ at hol.gr + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 01:54:00 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2659">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2659">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2659">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2659">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Monday 25 October 2010, you wrote: +><i> Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 00:56:32 schreef P. Christeas: +</I>><i> > On Sunday 24 October 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote: +</I>><i> > > I would propose the following: +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > A.) by default, add for every interface, a little advanced routing +</I>><i> > > which makes packets return from the same way they came. +</I>><i> > > This usually is only useful with incoming packets, but can still be +</I>><i> > > useful if laptops have for example 2 gateways because the wifi is still +</I>><i> > > on and the cable is too. That would mean that from both interfaces it'd +</I>><i> > > be possible to use ssh or vnc or whatever. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > B.) if we have multiple gateways (like in that case), have them use +</I>><i> > > both balancedly. ie: start a small daemon which checks which of the +</I>><i> > > gateways is up or down; and change the default gateway accordingly, or +</I>><i> > > even both in some kind of balanced mode. (with advanced routing.) +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > This would have the benefit, if you have really clueless users with a +</I>><i> > > laptop; that everything will still work well. and you're still able to +</I>><i> > > take over his laptop. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Will that do ? : +</I>><i> > <A HREF="http://git.hellug.gr/?p=xrg/ip-multipath;a=summary">http://git.hellug.gr/?p=xrg/ip-multipath;a=summary</A> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > (note to myself: I have to build a man^Hgeia rpm..) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This looks like something different than what i intended; isn't this more +</I>><i> of a configured thing? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I would propose some changes to the networkingscripts. when having gateway +</I>><i> addresses (through various means) to change the stuff. +</I> +Please excuse me for the lack of documentation. +This script is an addon over the if-up scripts, which adds the support for +multiple gateways to and from the internet. +You only need to place this script in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup.d/ +and then some extra variables will help you configure the interfaces: +MULTIPATH_TABLE=10 # needed, just a unique one per interface +MULTI_GATEWAY_IN=1.2.3.4 # if this is a gateway route, but don't want to use + # the interface by default +MULTI_GATEWAY=1.2.3.4 # default route, along with other interfaces. + +The functionality is provided by kernel itself. By using multiple kernel +routing tables, the first thing you achieve is to have your server listen on +all its internet-routing interfaces, so that you can connect *to* your server +from any of them. This is _extremely_ useful, because it allows you to ssh to +the server from /any/ interface that works, and then fix all the others. Saves +the day. +The second one, a little more tricky, is to have multiple routes to the +internet. With TCP connections, this works /almost/ fine, because it may assign +each connection to a different gateway, thus load-balancing. With UDP ones, +well, this is not really working (AFAIK). However, if you also give different +weights, it may activate the kernel's /slow/ transition mechanism (5-10 min +responses), which will automatically pick the first working interface as its +default gw (even if all interfaces are up and some of them respond with ICMP +unreachable, it will work). + + + +-- +Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows! +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2659">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2659">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2659">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2659">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002660.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002660.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..cb37b9c0d --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002660.html @@ -0,0 +1,95 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinYpHfQgXnPgnykF_ddwQF2pJc5CF%3DRJ79-es45%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002658.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002662.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinYpHfQgXnPgnykF_ddwQF2pJc5CF%3DRJ79-es45%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 02:28:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002658.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2660">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2660">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2660">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2660">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>I think we talking about something which is not as said before, +ppartly due to my own wrong descrition of the problem. + +What kind of description are we looking for? A descrition that tells +the user what the package does. Simple. + +What do we have? + - descriptions as part of the packages? Yes. + - descriptions visible in rpmdrake? Yes. + +Both in English only (with very few exceptions), so here the +translators are needed and a way for them to do their work, to feed +back the translations to whom it concerns, a routine which displays +the description in rpmdrake in the language of the installed system. +If there is no translation in that language it should show the english +description. + +What we do not have: + +In the individual package selection at system installation all these +descriptions are missing completely. +If somebody wants to pimp his installation and searches for +applications to be installed at system installation time all he sees +is the category (example: office), the package name and version and +then a mere "useful" or "important" or "comfortable.", etc. Nobody +tells him (examples:) what bvi is and how should he know what +"alexandria" does (is it an egyptian font?). This is where the +descriptions are missing completely although they are available in the +packages! + +So, here the task is to include the descriptions in the installer and +providing the translations as in rpmdrake. + +As we can see most parts of the package description issue are not +related to packagers, rather to developpers of rpmdrake and the +installer - and to the translators, of course. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002658.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2660">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2660">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2660">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2660">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002661.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002661.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0a1764cc8 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002661.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia5a6p%244ac%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002684.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002664.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia5a6p%244ac%243%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 03:17:13 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2661">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2661">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2661">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2661">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-25 14:26, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : +><i> 2010/10/25 Wayne Sallee<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> Marc Paré wrote on 10/25/2010 12:31 AM: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> BTW, in my opinion, the default GUI setting in the MCC was not a right +</I>>>><i> choice. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, that most definitely needs to be fixed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +100 ! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That was asked for many times in the past. +</I>><i> We even have it on the list for user's first steps after installation: +</I>><i> "Change view in rpmdrake to 'All' otherwise you will not find all +</I>><i> packages you are looking for." Time to change the default. +</I>><i> +</I> +Ok, I'll ask it. + +Do we have to put a bug in for this? Or has it already been taken care +of? Where do I go for the Mageia bugzilla. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2661">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2661">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2661">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2661">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002662.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002662.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..8a50c7f55 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002662.html @@ -0,0 +1,132 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288057738.4401.65.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002660.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002663.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Michael Scherer</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288057738.4401.65.camel%40akroma.ephaone.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">misc at zarb.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 03:48:58 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002660.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2662">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2662">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2662">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2662">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le mardi 26 octobre 2010 à 02:28 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit : + +><i> In the individual package selection at system installation all these +</I>><i> descriptions are missing completely. +</I>><i> If somebody wants to pimp his installation and searches for +</I>><i> applications to be installed at system installation time all he sees +</I>><i> is the category (example: office), the package name and version and +</I>><i> then a mere "useful" or "important" or "comfortable.", etc. Nobody +</I>><i> tells him (examples:) what bvi is and how should he know what +</I>><i> "alexandria" does (is it an egyptian font?). This is where the +</I>><i> descriptions are missing completely although they are available in the +</I>><i> packages! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, here the task is to include the descriptions in the installer and +</I>><i> providing the translations as in rpmdrake. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As we can see most parts of the package description issue are not +</I>><i> related to packagers, rather to developpers of rpmdrake and the +</I>><i> installer - and to the translators, of course. +</I> +To the defense of the drakx developpers, I do not think that choosing in +the installer is really a so good idea : + +- during installation, you do not have web access. Thus, you will have a +hardtime to really find information on what does a software. If you use +rpmdrake, you can ask to friend, ask on forum, ask on a search engine. + +- during installation, you do nothing except looking at installation. +That's fine, but IMHO, it is better to have a fast installation, and +later be able to listen to music, etc, while installing software. + +- looking at software in drakx or in rpmdrake will likely take the same +time. If you take 1h to select rpm in drakx, you will likely spend 1h in +rpmdrake. The computing is taking less time that the human mind to +decide. Of course, people will perceive differently ( ie they will feel +the installation is incomplete if they need to do thing after the first +boot, even if they have to do the exact same task taking the exact same +time in drakx and rpmdrake ), but then that's just a perception. +Unfortunately, perception is what count more than reality. + +So why don't we have this description. I am not sure about this, but I +think drakx use synthesis hdlists, ie a shorter version oof the packages +index. And parsing description is one of the reason rpmdrake is spending +time at startup. Synthesis is 750 k big, hdlist is 46 m big. There is a +huge gap. This would take place on the cd, this take place in memory, +and this make drakx be slower when solving dependency ( even if I do not +know how much slower it would be, maybe that's negligible with nowadays +computer ). + +Then, in order to accelerate the installation for the people who do not +select package one by one at install time ( that's IMHO the common use +case of drakx ), part of the confort of those that does was sacrified, +mainly because this feature is aimed to advanced users more than new +users discovering Linux ( who would and should take the easiest road of +keeping default selection ). + +I think drakx could implement the required behavior, but I do not think +it would come with problem by itself. And so, we need to evaluate the +rpos and cons of the change ( and as I said, I think the current +situation is better for a majority of users ). + + +Finally, in order to mitigate the issue, I would propose to add a +warning or a label saying "this is for advanced users, we suggest you to +do the customization after installation, as we would be able to show +more informations about packages". This would not solve anything for +people who still want to do it in drakx, of course, but at least, it +will explain how to have a better experience for the new user. I am not +sure if we should add explanation about why it is like this ( maybe too +technical ). + + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002660.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2662">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2662">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2662">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2662">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002663.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002663.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..02e8f70a9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002663.html @@ -0,0 +1,93 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikQM6Jh6Kh%2Ba-6Bgug-n%3DBaFUXTWgj4OKN4fJi-%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002662.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002673.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikQM6Jh6Kh%2Ba-6Bgug-n%3DBaFUXTWgj4OKN4fJi-%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 04:03:28 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2663">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2663">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2663">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2663">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/26 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +><i> +</I>><i> - during installation, you do not have web access. Thus, you will have a +</I>><i> hardtime to really find information on what does a software. If you use +</I>><i> rpmdrake, you can ask to friend, ask on forum, ask on a search engine. +</I> +You have a hard time because the description is missing. If the +description is there you don't need to ask a friend or a search +engine. + +><i> - during installation, you do nothing except looking at installation. +</I>><i> That's fine, but IMHO, it is better to have a fast installation, and +</I>><i> later be able to listen to music, etc, while installing software. +</I> +This has nothing to do with the issue, let me be specific: I am +talking about individual package selection _before_ the package +installation starts. + +><i> Then, in order to accelerate the installation for the people who do not +</I>><i> select package one by one at install time ( that's IMHO the common use +</I>><i> case of drakx ), part of the confort of those that does was sacrified, +</I>><i> mainly because this feature is aimed to advanced users more than new +</I>><i> users discovering Linux ( who would and should take the easiest road of +</I>><i> keeping default selection ). +</I> +Agreed. This is an explanation and a reason I can follow :) I go to +individual selection each time I install to remove packages like most +games and all the fax packages and some more, and to add some packages +which are not marked by standard. But that's me, and I have developed +a habit there :) + +Personally I think the localisation of the descriptions in rpmdrake is +a much more important thing. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2663">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2663">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2663">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2663">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002664.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002664.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..166562492 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002664.html @@ -0,0 +1,141 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC665AC.3080703%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002661.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002667.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC665AC.3080703%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 07:22:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2664">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2664">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2664">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2664">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Kira a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 在 Mon, 25 Oct 2010 11:59:25 +0800, Marc Paré <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>><i> I think that it is pretty clear that packagers don't really want to +</I>>><i> deal with updating description, but the users would like to have +</I>>><i> updated descriptions. So, what if there was a group of users in +</I>>><i> charge of updating the package descriptions/translations where +</I>>><i> needed? Would this work? +</I>><i> The problem is that currently if we want to translate the description, +</I>><i> then +</I>><i> +</I>><i> we have to modify the SPEC of the RPM, which can only be done with +</I>><i> packager. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Like the previous messages, we have 2 methods to choose: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1 .po files for 1 package +</I>><i> +</I>><i> or +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1 .po files for multiple packages +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The first one would cause many .po files to maintain, while the other +</I>><i> +</I>><i> cause the maintainence hard( too complicate). +</I>><i> ==== +</I>><i> I think maybe a more aggresive way is better: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Make the detailed description available only for programs, not packages. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Currently the RPMDRAKE is packages based, which is hard for newbies to +</I>><i> find +</I>><i> +</I>><i> programs they need and the amount of the description need to maintain +</I>><i> also scares +</I>><i> +</I>><i> everyone off. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The "Programs with GUI" option is the first step, but I think we +</I>><i> should step further, +</I>><i> +</I>><i> let people install programs, not packages. Therefore, we can ease both +</I>><i> the difficulty +</I>><i> +</I>><i> of maintain descriptions and installation harsh. +</I> +I don't quite follow this distinction of programs and packages. +A package is a file with installation instructions for a program, or a +set of closely related programs. Sometimes a program with many modules +is divided into more than one package, but then there are one or more +core packages, essential to the installation of the others. +So maybe some packages would need minimal documentation since they are +dependant on a core package (e.g. OpenOffice). +But if considering installing a package containing a number of closely +related programs, wouldn't one want all the contained programs to be +documented ? +Since they would almost necessarily be complementary ? +And if you install only one program at a time, essentially you are +saying that each package contains exactly one program. So you want 37 +packages to install Openoffice ? And you want 4 or 5 packages instead +of one for the diff (file comparison) utilities ? + +By the way, if newbies are scared off by packages, why is the Microsoft +environment package oriented ? +(Even though often a package of numerous programs is referred to as a +program.) + +In any case, a documentation group which takes care of the package +description and localisation, done in a collorative online environment, +such that the package descriptions can be automatically included in +created packages, is a very workable solution. +This is basically applying the documentation and translation process of +many major open source projects to package description. + +my 2 cents :) +- André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2664">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2664">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2664">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2664">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002665.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002665.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..71726402e --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002665.html @@ -0,0 +1,91 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC66835.6050803%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002668.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002683.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC66835.6050803%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 07:33:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2665">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2665">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2665">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2665">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Juergen Harms a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> A couple of loose ideas that come when following the discussion: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 1. Have packages pass "description QA" reading, done by non-technical +</I>><i> users (if implemented, easy with packages that are new or underwent a +</I>><i> major new release, how also catch packages that just "are around")? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 2. As an alternative to direct mail to developpers, create some kind +</I>><i> of "fast-track" mailbox - rules to be defined - with a triage team to +</I>><i> make the link to the developpers (maybe not even with developpers, but +</I>><i> with "writers")? - would also allow to keep track of what is going on, +</I>><i> and serve as a "filter". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> 3. I suggest to separate the question of translation and of the +</I>><i> quality of descriptions - they have different priorities and +</I>><i> implications. +</I> +Normally translation is made on the current source text, and often in +real time. That is, as soon as a change is made in the text, it is +immediately available for translation. This process is used by +Openoffice and Mozilla (Firefox, Seamonkey, Thunderbird), for example, +So for package description, as soon as any description (or change) is +posted, it would be immediately available for translation, by the +various localisation groups. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2665">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2665">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2665">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2665">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002666.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002666.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f1cb44719 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002666.html @@ -0,0 +1,104 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimZT-OtjvcMSk%3D3Upmz826Pyk58yK1u1RPPeheP%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002683.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002675.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Ahmad Samir</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimZT-OtjvcMSk%3D3Upmz826Pyk58yK1u1RPPeheP%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 07:38:52 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2666">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2666">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2666">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2666">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On 25 October 2010 20:26, Wolfgang Bornath <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>> wrote: +><i> 2010/10/25 Wayne Sallee <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>>: +</I>>><i> Marc Paré wrote on 10/25/2010 12:31 AM: +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> BTW, in my opinion, the default GUI setting in the MCC was not a right +</I>>>><i> choice. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yes, that most definitely needs to be fixed. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +100 ! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That was asked for many times in the past. +</I>><i> We even have it on the list for user's first steps after installation: +</I>><i> "Change view in rpmdrake to 'All' otherwise you will not find all +</I>><i> packages you are looking for." Time to change the default. +</I>><i> +</I> +Well, misc had a point of view that's valid IMHO; you see, a user +(especially a new one) doesn't really need to see lib packages, and +there're more lib packages than main packages from any src.rpm :) + +So having it set to "All" when a user searches for something will give +him a lot of results that he probably doesn't care about (e.g. +searching for amarok, he just wants the main package not the lib or +-scripts or -utils ones... etc). + +So the whole "Packages with GUI" is good in principal but the +implementation needs a bit of fine tuning. Michael proposed to leave +it as "Packages with GUI" _but_ to offer a way to notify the user +"hey, there're more search results, click here to see them" or +something like that. That's a good solution IMO. + +P.S. yes, I too can't count how many times "Packages with GUI" was +posted in the forum, especially to new/unsuspecting users. + +-- +Ahmad Samir +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2666">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2666">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2666">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2666">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002667.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002667.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ddbb3978c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002667.html @@ -0,0 +1,124 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk54tjnnct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002664.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002668.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk54tjnnct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 07:42:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2667">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2667">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2667">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2667">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:22:52 +0800, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>寫道: + +><i> I don't quite follow this distinction of programs and packages. +</I>><i> A package is a file with installation instructions for a program, or a +</I>><i> set of closely related programs. Sometimes a program with many modules +</I>><i> is divided into more than one package, but then there are one or more +</I>><i> core packages, essential to the installation of the others. +</I>><i> So maybe some packages would need minimal documentation since they are +</I>><i> dependant on a core package (e.g. OpenOffice). +</I>><i> But if considering installing a package containing a number of closely +</I>><i> related programs, wouldn't one want all the contained programs to be +</I>><i> documented ? +</I>><i> Since they would almost necessarily be complementary ? +</I>><i> And if you install only one program at a time, essentially you are +</I>><i> saying that each package contains exactly one program. So you want 37 +</I>><i> packages to install Openoffice ? And you want 4 or 5 packages instead +</I>><i> of one for the diff (file comparison) utilities ? +</I>The difference is clear: For most of the time, you would install programs, + +not packages. Currently in the RPMDRAKE, libraries are listed, +localizations + +are listed, which is annoying since if you are not programmer, why would +you + +cares about these things? Sure, some would need them for their own purpose, + +but most of the time we would only focus on install certain program, not + +related libraries/localizations/....etc. They should go into expert mode/ + +detail mode, not directly exposed to people. This is a usability problem, +not + +about packaging. + + +><i> +</I>><i> By the way, if newbies are scared off by packages, why is the Microsoft +</I>><i> environment package oriented ? +</I>><i> (Even though often a package of numerous programs is referred to as a +</I>><i> program.) +</I>><i> +</I>I think you miss-understand my thought. That's something like task package, + +which is not what I was talking about. I meant the packages like +libktorrent, + +which is installed together with ktorrent as the backbone library. It's +listed + +in RPMDRAKE, but in what normal condition would you install it solely? + +NO. You install KTorrent, not libktorrent. It should be hidden by RPMDRAKE, + +unless you check the option to show all packages. Most of the time, you +won't + +care about what packages installed on your system, you cares about what + +"softwares" are installed. +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2667">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2667">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2667">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2667">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002668.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002668.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9730611b5 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002668.html @@ -0,0 +1,150 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6A6B2.6090105%40laposte.net%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002667.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002665.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>andre999</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6A6B2.6090105%40laposte.net%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">andr55 at laposte.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 12:00:18 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2668">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2668">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2668">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2668">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Kira a écrit : +><i> +</I>><i> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:22:52 +0800, andre999 <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> I don't quite follow this distinction of programs and packages. +</I>>><i> A package is a file with installation instructions for a program, or +</I>>><i> a set of closely related programs. Sometimes a program with many +</I>>><i> modules is divided into more than one package, but then there are one +</I>>><i> or more core packages, essential to the installation of the others. +</I>>><i> So maybe some packages would need minimal documentation since they +</I>>><i> are dependant on a core package (e.g. OpenOffice). +</I>>><i> But if considering installing a package containing a number of +</I>>><i> closely related programs, wouldn't one want all the contained +</I>>><i> programs to be documented ? +</I>>><i> Since they would almost necessarily be complementary ? +</I>>><i> And if you install only one program at a time, essentially you are +</I>>><i> saying that each package contains exactly one program. So you want +</I>>><i> 37 packages to install Openoffice ? And you want 4 or 5 packages +</I>>><i> instead of one for the diff (file comparison) utilities ? +</I>><i> The difference is clear: For most of the time, you would install +</I>><i> programs, +</I>><i> not packages. Currently in the RPMDRAKE, libraries are listed, +</I>><i> localizations +</I>><i> are listed, which is annoying since if you are not programmer, why +</I>><i> would you +</I>><i> cares about these things? Sure, some would need them for their own +</I>><i> purpose, +</I>><i> but most of the time we would only focus on install certain program, not +</I>><i> related libraries/localizations/....etc. They should go into expert mode/ +</I>><i> detail mode, not directly exposed to people. This is a usability +</I>><i> problem, not +</I>><i> about packaging. +</I>It is essential to be able to readily select localisations, for those +needing something other than English. +><i> +</I>>><i> By the way, if newbies are scared off by packages, why is the +</I>>><i> Microsoft environment package oriented ? +</I>>><i> (Even though often a package of numerous programs is referred to as a +</I>>><i> program.) +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I think you miss-understand my thought. That's something like task +</I>><i> package, +</I>><i> which is not what I was talking about. I meant the packages like +</I>><i> libktorrent, +</I>><i> which is installed together with ktorrent as the backbone library. +</I>><i> It's listed +</I>><i> in RPMDRAKE, but in what normal condition would you install it solely? +</I>><i> NO. You install KTorrent, not libktorrent. It should be hidden by +</I>><i> RPMDRAKE, +</I>><i> unless you check the option to show all packages. Most of the time, +</I>><i> you won't +</I>><i> care about what packages installed on your system, you cares about what +</I>><i> "softwares" are installed. +</I> +OK, I understand now. You want to show only ordinary program packages, +and not libraries or localisations. +But libraries are in their own section, if you list packages by category. +And localisations are useful packages to show, unless you want to +install them all. +Or you have another way to ensure that only wanted localisations are +installed. +That could be useful. + +This reminds me of a suggestion I made a while back for rpmdrake -- that +packages can be grouped multi-level, such that related packages, such as +localisations or modules of a package, be folded to a single line (or +expanded to multiple lines), to greatly reduce the number of lines +displayed. +(e.g. Openoffice or Firefox.) +To accommodate this, Rpmdrake would have to be modified to have multiple +(2 or 3) selection columns. One could select multiple packages with one +click, if folded into one line, or expand the line to select only one or +a few of the packages inside. +A good example would be Openoffice, could now be displayed by default in +only 3 lines : the base package, the various modules (Writer, Calc, +Draw, etc), and the localisations. One could select the base and +modules in 2 clicks, and open the localisations to select the +language(s) desired. Instead of seeing approximately 100 lines. +(I just counted, probably miscounting a bit. In fact it was about 300, +as there were the release and 2 updates for each package.) +Note that many related libraries are divided into a number of modules as +well, so the same principle could apply there. + +Anyway, however we do it, there is definitely room for improvement in +Rpmdrake. :) + +- André + +</PRE> + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2668">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2668">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2668">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2668">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002669.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002669.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..755c69d47 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002669.html @@ -0,0 +1,97 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010260913.03264.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; 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Fixing. Could you provide me with +updated translations for other pages as well then? Thanks! (and thanks +dams!) + +Romain +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2671">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2671">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2671">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2671">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002672.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002672.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..dae232224 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002672.html @@ -0,0 +1,123 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6C2DA.2050708%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002679.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002680.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6C2DA.2050708%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 14:00:26 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2672">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2672">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2672">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2672">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Michael Scherer wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> To the defense of the drakx developpers, I do not think that choosing in +</I>><i> the installer is really a so good idea : +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - during installation, you do not have web access. Thus, you will have a +</I>><i> hardtime to really find information on what does a software. If you use +</I>><i> rpmdrake, you can ask to friend, ask on forum, ask on a search engine. +</I>><i> +</I> +This is really a more general issue of the availability of detailed help +during the install. To focus on package descriptions, which really +*are* of interest only to more advanced users (very few newbies know +enough about Linux to care about minimalist installs), completely misses +the point that there is a lot of other information about what's going on +in the install that *would* be of interest to newbies. + +The issue, as always, is competition for space or bandwidth between help +and program content. If you access it through the network, people +without network access won't get it. If you put it on the media, it +redices the space available for programs. + +This is why I think that such help, package descriptions, etc., should +be separate from the rpms. In the past (and maybe still, as I haven't +done a from-media install for a while), the install asked the user if he +had additional media to use. A slight expansion of this could ask how +many CDs/DVDs the user has available and whether the network will be +available (or should be activated) in order to access additional +packages and help content. + +For the install media, we should go back to the arrangement we had in +the multi-CD days. Cooker required something like 9 CDs for everything, +but the essentials were placed on the first CD, and content was arranged +on the others by type. The "standard " install used 2 or 3 CDs, and the +install basically tailored itself to the number of CDs available. + +In the same spirit, we could have a set of package-related ISOs, and one +or more documentation ISOs. If a non-network user wants extended help +and package descriptions in translated format, he obtains these ISOs. +If not, he doesn't. At the start of the install, the user gets a prompt +with checkboxes for each of the possible ISOs, and can indicate which +are available. For any that aren't, the install doesn't even try to use +what's on them. If the install detects enough available unused disk +space, then the first use of any ISO can copy some or all of the ISO to +hard disk for the duration of the install. Any prompt for an ISO has a +way for the user to say he really doesn't have that one, in which case +it is not prompted for again. All this should minimize the amount of +disk-swapping. + +That answers the objections of those who don't want to have to download +many ISOs to do an install, and also addresses the needs of non-network +users (e.g. small schools) who want a full-featured set of install media +that can be reused repeatedly for friendly installs without network +access. It also minimizes disk-swapping, unless the system is really +tight on space, in which case the install is at least still possible, +albeit with some disk swapping (assuming the user wants to use multiple +ISOs). + +As always, network users could opt to download dynamically anything they +didn't have ISO media for, with the same provision for caching, if space +allowed. + + +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2672">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2672">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2672">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2672">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002673.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002673.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..9441ea8e9 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002673.html @@ -0,0 +1,72 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6C409.30803%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002663.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002674.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6C409.30803%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 14:05:29 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2673">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2673">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2673">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2673">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> Agreed. This is an explanation and a reason I can follow :) I go to +</I>><i> individual selection each time I install to remove packages like most +</I>><i> games and all the fax packages and some more, and to add some packages +</I>><i> which are not marked by standard. But that's me, and I have developed +</I>><i> a habit there :) +</I>><i> +</I>This is a fairly advanced activity, and there are better ways to do +this. For instance, make two files: one for standard packages you want +removed, and one for extra packages you want installed. Then run xargs +to execute urpmi for these argument lists after first boot. + +Granted, it involves installing and then removing things you don't want, +but it's a lot more automated than interactively playing with package +selection for every install you do. +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2673">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2673">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2673">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2673">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002674.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002674.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..fbc820a17 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002674.html @@ -0,0 +1,70 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%2BOwuoazCtqz5wi422pgHZCVO9RmELc7a-5p%3Dv%40mail.gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002673.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002679.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim%2BOwuoazCtqz5wi422pgHZCVO9RmELc7a-5p%3Dv%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">molch.b at googlemail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 14:13:06 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2674">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2674">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2674">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2674">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/10/26 Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>: +>><i> +</I>><i> This is a fairly advanced activity +</I> +Yes, as I said, it's an individual habit and it does not only serve to +mark/demark the usual packages, I also like to take my time to learn +about new software. Something which can also be done later in +rpmdrake. + +So, don't waste time on that special issue, the more pressing issue in +this section is the localisation of the descriptions in rpmdrake. + +-- +wobo +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2674">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2674">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2674">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2674">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002675.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002675.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..4b9967fc2 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002675.html @@ -0,0 +1,85 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6C7F0.4080108%40roadrunner.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002666.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002676.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Frank Griffin</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C4CC6C7F0.4080108%40roadrunner.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">ftg at roadrunner.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 14:22:08 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2675">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2675">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2675">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2675">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Ahmad Samir wrote: +><i> +</I>><i> So having it set to "All" when a user searches for something will give +</I>><i> him a lot of results that he probably doesn't care about (e.g. +</I>><i> searching for amarok, he just wants the main package not the lib or +</I>><i> -scripts or -utils ones... etc). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> +</I>The problem with this design decision was that it wasn't made to hide +things that all users, beginning or advanced, had no reason to want to +see by default. It was made because someone thought that CLI +applications ought to be hidden, which is a much different objective. + +The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +e.g. "View". + +When "Packages with GUI" was introduced and made the default, pretty +much all of cooker responded with "WTF ???". That's a pretty good +indication that it wasn't done right. +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2675">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2675">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2675">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2675">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002676.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002676.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..b8f1e8860 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002676.html @@ -0,0 +1,71 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk6nfrunct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002675.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002681.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Kira</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cop.vk6nfrunct0cxl%40kira-notebook%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 14:24:53 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2676">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2676">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2676">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2676">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +><i> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>><i> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>><i> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>><i> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>><i> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>><i> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>><i> e.g. "View". +</I>><i> +</I>I second this idea. +</PRE> + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2676">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2676">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2676">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2676">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002677.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002677.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..f9f3b453f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002677.html @@ -0,0 +1,92 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010261123.46763.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002671.html"> + + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>MacXi</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010261123.46763.terraagua%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">terraagua at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 15:23:46 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2677">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2677">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2677">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2677">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Em Terça-feira 26 Outubro 2010, às 09:23:14, Romain d'Alverny escreveu: +><i> On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 13:20, Romain d'Alverny <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> > 2010/10/26 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> >> I'm sending attached the text of the "Code of Conduct" (Código de +</I>><i> >> Conduta) in Portuguese and html. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Thanks: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/code-of-conduct/">http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/code-of-conduct/</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Ha, that was for pt, no pt-br. Fixing. Could you provide me with +</I>><i> updated translations for other pages as well then? Thanks! (and thanks +</I>><i> dams!) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Romain +</I> +Romain, + +Yes. 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This is where the +</I>>><i> descriptions are missing completely although they are available in the +</I>>><i> packages! +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> So, here the task is to include the descriptions in the installer and +</I>>><i> providing the translations as in rpmdrake. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> As we can see most parts of the package description issue are not +</I>>><i> related to packagers, rather to developpers of rpmdrake and the +</I>>><i> installer - and to the translators, of course. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> To the defense of the drakx developpers, I do not think that choosing in +</I>><i> the installer is really a so good idea : +</I> +It might not be a good idea, but I like to do it, anyway. I ALWAYS check +individual package selection, I like to install stuff to check out, and +I find it difficult to make choices when description is lacking. + +><i> - during installation, you do not have web access. Thus, you will have a +</I>><i> hardtime to really find information on what does a software. If you use +</I>><i> rpmdrake, you can ask to friend, ask on forum, ask on a search engine. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> - during installation, you do nothing except looking at installation. +</I>><i> That's fine, but IMHO, it is better to have a fast installation, and +</I>><i> later be able to listen to music, etc, while installing software. +</I> +Can't speak for others, but it's not better for me. I'm NOT in a hurry +during installation, and I'm not concerned about listening to music +or otherwise entertaining myself. The installation process IS the +entertainment for me, although I realize I might not be representative. + +><i> - looking at software in drakx or in rpmdrake will likely take the same +</I>><i> time. If you take 1h to select rpm in drakx, you will likely spend 1h in +</I>><i> rpmdrake. The computing is taking less time that the human mind to +</I>><i> decide. Of course, people will perceive differently ( ie they will feel +</I>><i> the installation is incomplete if they need to do thing after the first +</I>><i> boot, even if they have to do the exact same task taking the exact same +</I>><i> time in drakx and rpmdrake ), but then that's just a perception. +</I>><i> Unfortunately, perception is what count more than reality. +</I> +It's my perception that I like cherry pie and lemonade and it's my +perception that I like to have descriptions of packages when I'm doing +an install. If that's not feasible, or if it's not fair to a majority +whose needs it conflicts with, that's one thing. But telling people +what they ought or ought not to like is spitting in the wind. + +><i> So why don't we have this description. I am not sure about this, but I +</I>><i> think drakx use synthesis hdlists, ie a shorter version oof the packages +</I>><i> index. And parsing description is one of the reason rpmdrake is spending +</I>><i> time at startup. Synthesis is 750 k big, hdlist is 46 m big. There is a +</I>><i> huge gap. This would take place on the cd, this take place in memory, +</I>><i> and this make drakx be slower when solving dependency ( even if I do not +</I>><i> know how much slower it would be, maybe that's negligible with nowadays +</I>><i> computer ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Then, in order to accelerate the installation for the people who do not +</I>><i> select package one by one at install time ( that's IMHO the common use +</I>><i> case of drakx ), part of the confort of those that does was sacrified, +</I>><i> mainly because this feature is aimed to advanced users more than new +</I>><i> users discovering Linux ( who would and should take the easiest road of +</I>><i> keeping default selection ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think drakx could implement the required behavior, but I do not think +</I>><i> it would come with problem by itself. And so, we need to evaluate the +</I>><i> rpos and cons of the change ( and as I said, I think the current +</I>><i> situation is better for a majority of users ). +</I> +Whether or not the points you make are valid, and I can see some sense +in them, in the three paragraphs above you address the relevant issues +of space utilization (on the DVD) and the wishes or needs of perhaps +the majority of users. + +><i> Finally, in order to mitigate the issue, I would propose to add a +</I>><i> warning or a label saying "this is for advanced users, we suggest you to +</I>><i> do the customization after installation, as we would be able to show +</I>><i> more informations about packages". This would not solve anything for +</I>><i> people who still want to do it in drakx, of course, but at least, it +</I>><i> will explain how to have a better experience for the new user. I am not +</I>><i> sure if we should add explanation about why it is like this ( maybe too +</I>><i> technical ). +</I> +Don't have any problem with that. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002659.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2678">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2678">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2678">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2678">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002679.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002679.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..0635d011f --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002679.html @@ -0,0 +1,76 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010260902330.12968%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002674.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002672.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010260902330.12968%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 16:04:59 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2679">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2679">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2679">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2679">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>>><i> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: +</I>><i> 2010/10/26 Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> Then, in order to accelerate the installation for the people who do not +</I>>><i> select package one by one at install time ( that's IMHO the common use +</I>>><i> case of drakx ), part of the confort of those that does was sacrified, +</I>>><i> mainly because this feature is aimed to advanced users more than new +</I>>><i> users discovering Linux ( who would and should take the easiest road of +</I>>><i> keeping default selection ). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Agreed. This is an explanation and a reason I can follow :) I go to +</I>><i> individual selection each time I install to remove packages like most +</I>><i> games and all the fax packages and some more, and to add some packages +</I>><i> which are not marked by standard. But that's me, and I have developed +</I>><i> a habit there :) +</I> +It's a reason I can follow, too. I have the exact same habit, by the +way. I get rid of a lot of crap I don't want, and I add stuff that I do +want or am curious about. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2679">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2679">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2679">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2679">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002680.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002680.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..ce09e333b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002680.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010260908170.12968%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002672.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002678.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010260908170.12968%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 16:15:24 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2680">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2680">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2680">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2680">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Frank Griffin wrote: + +><i> . . . . . . . . we could have a set of package-related ISOs, and one +</I>><i> or more documentation ISOs. If a non-network user wants extended help +</I>><i> and package descriptions in translated format, he obtains these ISOs. +</I>><i> If not, he doesn't. At the start of the install, the user gets a prompt +</I>><i> with checkboxes for each of the possible ISOs, and can indicate which +</I>><i> are available. For any that aren't, the install doesn't even try to use +</I>><i> what's on them. If the install detects enough available unused disk +</I>><i> space, then the first use of any ISO can copy some or all of the ISO to +</I>><i> hard disk for the duration of the install. Any prompt for an ISO has a +</I>><i> way for the user to say he really doesn't have that one, in which case +</I>><i> it is not prompted for again. All this should minimize the amount of +</I>><i> disk-swapping. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> That answers the objections of those who don't want to have to download +</I>><i> many ISOs to do an install, and also addresses the needs of non-network +</I>><i> users (e.g. small schools) who want a full-featured set of install media +</I>><i> that can be reused repeatedly for friendly installs without network +</I>><i> access. It also minimizes disk-swapping, unless the system is really +</I>><i> tight on space, in which case the install is at least still possible, +</I>><i> albeit with some disk swapping (assuming the user wants to use multiple +</I>><i> ISOs). +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As always, network users could opt to download dynamically anything they +</I>><i> didn't have ISO media for, with the same provision for caching, if space +</I>><i> allowed. +</I> +This is a nice solution, it seems to me. If some people want to go to a +little extra trouble to get that extra information, in a way that doesn't +inconvenience those who don't want it or need it, everybody wins. I hope +we can do something like this. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2680">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2680">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2680">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2680">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002681.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002681.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..a1aa54204 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002681.html @@ -0,0 +1,74 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010260922520.12968%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002676.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002682.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Dale Huckeby</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1010260922520.12968%40astro.scholar.athome%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">spock at evansville.net + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 16:23:07 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2681">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2681">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2681">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2681">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: + +><i> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>><i> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>>><i> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>>><i> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>>><i> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>>><i> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>>><i> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>>><i> e.g. "View". +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> I second this idea. +</I> +I third it. + +Dale Huckeby +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2681">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2681">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2681">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2681">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002682.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002682.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..2befa2e2b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002682.html @@ -0,0 +1,83 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia6om3%24vuq%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002681.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002685.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia6om3%24vuq%242%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 16:30:27 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2682">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2682">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2682">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2682">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +><i> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>>><i> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>>>><i> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>>>><i> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>>>><i> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>>>><i> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>>>><i> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>>>><i> e.g. "View". +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> I second this idea. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I third it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I> +Sounds good to me too! + +I fourth it. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2682">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2682">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2682">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2682">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002683.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002683.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..3f231337b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002683.html @@ -0,0 +1,89 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia6pho%2460n%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002665.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002666.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>Marc Paré</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3Cia6pho%2460n%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">marc at marcpare.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 16:45:12 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2683">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2683">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2683">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2683">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Le 2010-10-26 01:33, andre999 a écrit : +><i> Juergen Harms a écrit : +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> A couple of loose ideas that come when following the discussion: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. Have packages pass "description QA" reading, done by non-technical +</I>>><i> users (if implemented, easy with packages that are new or underwent a +</I>>><i> major new release, how also catch packages that just "are around")? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 2. As an alternative to direct mail to developpers, create some kind +</I>>><i> of "fast-track" mailbox - rules to be defined - with a triage team to +</I>>><i> make the link to the developpers (maybe not even with developpers, but +</I>>><i> with "writers")? - would also allow to keep track of what is going on, +</I>>><i> and serve as a "filter". +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 3. I suggest to separate the question of translation and of the +</I>>><i> quality of descriptions - they have different priorities and +</I>>><i> implications. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Normally translation is made on the current source text, and often in +</I>><i> real time. That is, as soon as a change is made in the text, it is +</I>><i> immediately available for translation. This process is used by +</I>><i> Openoffice and Mozilla (Firefox, Seamonkey, Thunderbird), for example, +</I>><i> So for package description, as soon as any description (or change) is +</I>><i> posted, it would be immediately available for translation, by the +</I>><i> various localisation groups. +</I>><i> +</I> +So would this be possible to do with Mageia? We should be able to manage +this. + +Marc + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2683">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2683">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2683">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2683">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002684.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002684.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..bf08b7f4c --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002684.html @@ -0,0 +1,128 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20network%20balancing%20by%20default&In-Reply-To=%3C201010261952.32361.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002659.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002661.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default</H1> + <B>Maarten Vanraes</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20network%20balancing%20by%20default&In-Reply-To=%3C201010261952.32361.maarten.vanraes%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 19:52:32 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002659.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2684">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2684">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2684">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2684">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Op dinsdag 26 oktober 2010 01:54:00 schreef P. Christeas: +><i> On Monday 25 October 2010, you wrote: +</I>><i> > Op maandag 25 oktober 2010 00:56:32 schreef P. Christeas: +</I>><i> > > On Sunday 24 October 2010, Maarten Vanraes wrote: +</I>><i> > > > I would propose the following: +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > A.) by default, add for every interface, a little advanced routing +</I>><i> > > > which makes packets return from the same way they came. +</I>><i> > > > This usually is only useful with incoming packets, but can still be +</I>><i> > > > useful if laptops have for example 2 gateways because the wifi is +</I>><i> > > > still on and the cable is too. That would mean that from both +</I>><i> > > > interfaces it'd be possible to use ssh or vnc or whatever. +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > B.) if we have multiple gateways (like in that case), have them use +</I>><i> > > > both balancedly. ie: start a small daemon which checks which of the +</I>><i> > > > gateways is up or down; and change the default gateway accordingly, +</I>><i> > > > or even both in some kind of balanced mode. (with advanced routing.) +</I>><i> > > > +</I>><i> > > > This would have the benefit, if you have really clueless users with a +</I>><i> > > > laptop; that everything will still work well. and you're still able +</I>><i> > > > to take over his laptop. +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > Will that do ? : +</I>><i> > > <A HREF="http://git.hellug.gr/?p=xrg/ip-multipath;a=summary">http://git.hellug.gr/?p=xrg/ip-multipath;a=summary</A> +</I>><i> > > +</I>><i> > > (note to myself: I have to build a man^Hgeia rpm..) +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > This looks like something different than what i intended; isn't this more +</I>><i> > of a configured thing? +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I would propose some changes to the networkingscripts. when having +</I>><i> > gateway addresses (through various means) to change the stuff. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Please excuse me for the lack of documentation. +</I>><i> This script is an addon over the if-up scripts, which adds the support for +</I>><i> multiple gateways to and from the internet. +</I>><i> You only need to place this script in +</I>><i> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup.d/ and then some extra variables will +</I>><i> help you configure the interfaces: MULTIPATH_TABLE=10 # needed, just a +</I>><i> unique one per interface +</I>><i> MULTI_GATEWAY_IN=1.2.3.4 # if this is a gateway route, but don't want to +</I>><i> use # the interface by default +</I>><i> MULTI_GATEWAY=1.2.3.4 # default route, along with other interfaces. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The functionality is provided by kernel itself. By using multiple kernel +</I>><i> routing tables, the first thing you achieve is to have your server listen +</I>><i> on all its internet-routing interfaces, so that you can connect *to* your +</I>><i> server from any of them. This is _extremely_ useful, because it allows you +</I>><i> to ssh to the server from /any/ interface that works, and then fix all the +</I>><i> others. Saves the day. +</I>><i> The second one, a little more tricky, is to have multiple routes to the +</I>><i> internet. With TCP connections, this works /almost/ fine, because it may +</I>><i> assign each connection to a different gateway, thus load-balancing. With +</I>><i> UDP ones, well, this is not really working (AFAIK). However, if you also +</I>><i> give different weights, it may activate the kernel's /slow/ transition +</I>><i> mechanism (5-10 min responses), which will automatically pick the first +</I>><i> working interface as its default gw (even if all interfaces are up and +</I>><i> some of them respond with ICMP unreachable, it will work). +</I> + +Ah, then i guess we are on the same page after all. the first part neatly +conforms to my point A. + +now the thing is, you can indeed configure that; but perhaps it would be better +to let it autoconfigure; depending on the IP address at the time, when the +gateways are being added as default routes. thus not needing any extra +configuration. + +i was under the impression that routes are being cached; so that even UDP will +not have any problem here. + +I have not heard about /slow/ transition mechanism though; i don't know what +you mean by this. +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002659.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2684">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2684">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2684">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2684">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002685.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002685.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..85fc9132b --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002685.html @@ -0,0 +1,87 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288128499.15597.0.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002682.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002692.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions</H1> + <B>George J. Walsh</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Suggestions&In-Reply-To=%3C1288128499.15597.0.camel%40access.dscvcp.org%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 23:28:19 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002692.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2685">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2685">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2685">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2685">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +><i> Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>><i> > On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> >> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>><i> >> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>><i> >>> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>><i> >>> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>><i> >>> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>><i> >>> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>><i> >>> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>><i> >>> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>><i> >>> e.g. "View". +</I>><i> >>> +</I>><i> >> I second this idea. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I third it. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Dale Huckeby +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Sounds good to me too! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I fourth it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Marc +</I> +One word of support comes to mind for this one: + +Essential + + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002692.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2685">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2685">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2685">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2685">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002692.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002692.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..acf729760 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/002692.html @@ -0,0 +1,82 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <TITLE> [Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, + </TITLE> + <LINK REL="Index" HREF="index.html" > + <LINK REL="made" HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010260909.03363.verdeterra%40gmail.com%3E"> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + <LINK REL="Previous" HREF="002685.html"> + <LINK REL="Next" HREF="002669.html"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <H1>[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, </H1> + <B>Edson</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20translation%20of%20the%20FAQ%20from%20English%20to%0A%09Portuguese%2C%20&In-Reply-To=%3C201010260909.03363.verdeterra%40gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, ">verdeterra at gmail.com + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Oct 26 13:09:03 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2692">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2692">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2692">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2692">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>Em Quarta-feira 20 Outubro 2010, às 10:37:48, Romain d'Alverny escreveu: +><i> 2010/10/20 MacXi <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>>: +</I>><i> > Em Sáb 02 Out 2010, às 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu: +</I>><i> >> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ? +</I>><i> >> Thanks for advance +</I> +><i> > Anne, +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > I'm sending attached the text of the "VALUES" (VALORES) in Portuguese and +</I>><i> > html. +</I> +><i> Here is it: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/values/">http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/values/</A> +</I>><i> Thanks! +</I>><i> Romain +</I> + +Romain, + +I'm sending attached the text of the "Code of Conduct" (Código de Conduta) in +Portuguese and html. + +Cheers! + +MacXi. +-------------- next part -------------- +An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +URL: </pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20101026/e7f50446/attachment.html> +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2692">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2692">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2692">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2692">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/author.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/author.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..d7321d075 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/author.html @@ -0,0 +1,207 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 26 October 2010 Archive by author</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>26 October 2010 Archives by author</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 26 00:01:32 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 26 23:28:19 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 32<p> + <ul> + +<LI><A HREF="002660.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2660"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2663"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2674"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002659.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A><A NAME="2659"> </A> +<I>P. 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Walsh +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002692.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2692"> </A> +<I>Edson +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2669"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2670"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2671"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<LI><A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2677"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 26 23:28:19 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 27 10:52:47 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a> + + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/thread.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/thread.html new file mode 100644 index 000000000..1eb4868f3 --- /dev/null +++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/20101026/thread.html @@ -0,0 +1,265 @@ +<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> +<HTML> + <HEAD> + <title>The Mageia-discuss 26 October 2010 Archive by thread</title> + <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow"> + <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"> + </HEAD> + <BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff"> + <a name="start"></A> + <h1>26 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 26 00:01:32 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 26 23:28:19 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Messages:</b> 32<p> + <ul> + +<!--0 01288044092- --> +<LI><A HREF="002655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2655"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<!--0 01288045378- --> +<LI><A HREF="002656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2656"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<!--0 01288048826- --> +<LI><A HREF="002657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Seperate log-files for each part of Mageia? +</A><A NAME="2657"> </A> +<I>Kristoffer Grundström +</I> + +<!--0 01288049754- --> +<LI><A HREF="002658.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2658"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288049754-01288052933- --> +<LI><A HREF="002660.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2660"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738- --> +<LI><A HREF="002662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2662"> </A> +<I>Michael Scherer +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288058608- --> +<LI><A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2663"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288058608-01288094729- --> +<LI><A HREF="002673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2673"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288058608-01288094729-01288095186- --> +<LI><A HREF="002674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2674"> </A> +<I>Wolfgang Bornath +</I> + +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288058608-01288101899- --> +<LI><A HREF="002679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2679"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288094426- --> +<LI><A HREF="002672.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2672"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288094426-01288102524- --> +<LI><A HREF="002680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2680"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<!--3 01288049754-01288052933-01288057738-01288101632- --> +<LI><A HREF="002678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2678"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288050840- --> +<LI><A HREF="002659.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A><A NAME="2659"> </A> +<I>P. Christeas +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288050840-01288115552- --> +<LI><A HREF="002684.html">[Mageia-discuss] network balancing by default +</A><A NAME="2684"> </A> +<I>Maarten Vanraes +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01288055833- --> +<LI><A HREF="002661.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2661"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--0 01288070572- --> +<LI><A HREF="002664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2664"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288070572-01288071766- --> +<LI><A HREF="002667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2667"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288070572-01288071766-01288087218- --> +<LI><A HREF="002668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2668"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288071221- --> +<LI><A HREF="002665.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2665"> </A> +<I>andre999 +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288071221-01288104312- --> +<LI><A HREF="002683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2683"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +</UL> +<!--0 01288071532- --> +<LI><A HREF="002666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2666"> </A> +<I>Ahmad Samir +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288071532-01288095728- --> +<LI><A HREF="002675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2675"> </A> +<I>Frank Griffin +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288071532-01288095728-01288095893- --> +<LI><A HREF="002676.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2676"> </A> +<I>Kira +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288071532-01288095728-01288095893-01288102987- --> +<LI><A HREF="002681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2681"> </A> +<I>Dale Huckeby +</I> + +<!--3 01288071532-01288095728-01288095893-01288102987-01288103427- --> +<LI><A HREF="002682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2682"> </A> +<I>Marc Paré +</I> + +<!--3 01288071532-01288095728-01288095893-01288102987-01288103427-01288128499- --> +<LI><A HREF="002685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A><A NAME="2685"> </A> +<I>George J. Walsh +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> +<!--0 01288091343- --> +<LI><A HREF="002692.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2692"> </A> +<I>Edson +</I> + +<!--0 01288091583- --> +<LI><A HREF="002669.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2669"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +<UL> +<!--1 01288091583-01288092017- --> +<LI><A HREF="002670.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2670"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--2 01288091583-01288092017-01288092194- --> +<LI><A HREF="002671.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2671"> </A> +<I>Romain d'Alverny +</I> + +<UL> +<!--3 01288091583-01288092017-01288092194-01288099426- --> +<LI><A HREF="002677.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A><A NAME="2677"> </A> +<I>MacXi +</I> + +</UL> +</UL> +</UL> + </ul> + <p> + <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a> + <i>Tue Oct 26 23:28:19 CEST 2010</i><br> + <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 27 10:52:47 CEST 2010</i> + <p> + <ul> + <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b> + + <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a> + <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a> + <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list... + </a></b></li> + </ul> + <p> + <hr> + <i>This archive was generated by + Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i> + </BODY> +</HTML> + |