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<B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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<I>Tue Nov 2 10:42:59 CET 2010</I>
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<PRE>On 30 October 2010 10:55, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-sysadm">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote:
>><i> At some extent, RPM dependencies would be a useful thing for setting
</I>>><i> up the application but this mostly happens once (first install) and
</I>>><i> can be easily hosted within the web application itself (and then
</I>>><i> handle the error) - WordPress and Drupal do it for instance.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> It also prevent the removal of used dependencies.
</I>><i> This can happen either when we are cleaning the server, or when we
</I>><i> upgrade the server, or another application.
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(Please quote!!!)
Indeed. Last example was ganglias which was broken on mdv bs b/c
it seems it was installed as a tarball instead as a package and got
broken when someone cleaned up some deps which rpm couldn't
know were needed by not packaged stuff
>><i> So we can discuss this further with other future webteam members but I
</I>>><i> will seriously not manage a production environment that goes through
</I>>><i> packaging for app updates.
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</I>><i> Well, if creating a package is just a single command ( as would be a
</I>><i> upgrade to the production server ), I do not think it will be much of a
</I>><i> problem. The only issue is to find someone skilled enough to create a
</I>><i> shell script for that and I do not really think that it will be a big
</I>><i> problem. We have a team of 8 admins and there is several volunteers
</I>><i> eager to help, it would be quite weird to have no one able to do it in
</I>><i> time.
</I>
What's more, MDV example shows that we should go for the simpler
usage, aka using packaged web apps that got security updates.
Just look at kenobi that hosts a web server and was running for years
an outdated distro
with no more updates, where nobody cared that web apps got broken, and the like.
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