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Hi,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 4:29 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andre999mga@laposte.net" target="_blank">andre999mga@laposte.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br><div class="im">
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 11:11 PM, PhilippeDidier<br></div><div><div class="h5">
<<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@laposte.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:philippedidier@laposte.net" target="_blank">philippedidier@<u></u>laposte.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Jehan Pagès a écrit :<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> I noticed we propose only the Jack2 package, but no Jack1. Yet<br>
Jack2 is<br>
> simply another implementation in C++ of the Jack protocol, and not a<br>
> newer version (as the official website also states clearly:<br>
> <a href="http://trac.jackaudio.org/wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2" target="_blank">http://trac.jackaudio.org/<u></u>wiki/Q_differenc_jack1_jack2</a> ).<br>
><br>
> Plus I had a very annoying bug with Ardour when using Jack2, and<br>
people<br>
> on Ardour mailing list told me it was a known issue with Jack2 (both<br>
> Ardour and Jack2 were installed from the Mageia 2 packages). I<br>
compiled<br>
> Jack1, and it indeed fixed the issue.<br>
><br>
> So I am thinking on proposing a spec for Jack1.<br>
><br>
> But then I have questions:<br>
><br>
> 1/ How should I name this package? The jack2 package is named<br>
"jackit"<br>
> and I have no idea where you got that from (I guess this is a shorter<br>
> name for "Jack Audio Connection Kit", but should we really change<br>
> package names this way?<br>
> It is not that long). The official alternative<br>
> name of Jack2 is "jackdmp" (see README here:<br>
> <a href="https://github.com/jackaudio/jack2" target="_blank">https://github.com/jackaudio/<u></u>jack2</a> ). I saw nowhere else this<br>
"jackit"<br>
> naming.<br>
><br>
We inherit this from Mandrake : in the early years of Mandrake a jack<br>
package already existed but it had nothing to do with JACK (Jack Audio<br>
Connexion Kit) : it was a console frontend for cd rippers, still<br>
provided in Mageia...<br>
<br>
When JACK was imported into Mandrake it had to be given an other name...<br>
so jackit !!!<br>
There was a tonic controversy on Mandrake forum about this in 2003 or<br>
2004 year.<br>
Mandrake and then Mandriva and and then Mageia are the only<br>
distributions calling JACK package "jackit" ....<br>
> So I am questioning the naming of this existing package, and<br>
would like<br>
> to propose some rename along with a new name for a Jack1 package.<br>
> Maybe simply "jack1" and "jack2"? Or "jack" and "jackdmp"?<br>
><br>
> 2/ How should the virtual dependency be named?<br>
> The existing "jackit" spec provides a "jackit-devel" and a<br>
"libjack-devel".<br>
><br>
> I think that none of the names are really fit IMO. First jackit<br>
for the<br>
> same reason as before (I don't see where this name comes from), also<br>
> libjack (and the -devel suffix) because this kit is not *only* a<br>
library<br>
> (there are also the jackd daemon, tools, etc.).<br>
><br>
> I propose simply "jack" as virtual package name.<br>
><br>
> How does this sound?<br>
> Thanks.<br>
><br>
> Jehan<br>
Not simple because of this context ...<br>
If you want to call JACK jack you need to remove first the existing jack<br>
from the repo, and to modify the spec for every package requiring jackit<br>
now, to make them require jack if it is the new package name for JACK .<br>
<br>
Post Scriptum : Reading this I don't know if my explanation is clear<br>
enough ...<br>
A key to understand what I wrote :<br>
"jack" is the name of a package (whatever its content is)<br>
"jackit" is the name of a package<br>
"JACK" is the recursive acronym (Jack Audio Connexion Kit) of the<br>
software you are talking about<br>
<br>
<br>
Ok I understood the deal.<br>
I would personally prefer even a longer package name like<br>
jack-audio-connection-kit. Mageia would gain from having clearer naming.<br>
Especially if we add the Jack1 alternative.<br>
<br>
Now if this is a big deal, and it generates a controversy again, it is<br>
not that a big deal. The question thus is: how do I call Jack1 package<br>
then? And can I say that this new package "Provides: jackit" so that it<br>
works as an alternative to Jack2 (for instance for Ardour)?<br>
Thanks.<br>
<br>
Jehan<br>
</div></div></blockquote>
<br>
why not give jack1 the name :<br>
"jack1 - the Jack Audio Connection Kit 1"<br>
and modify the description to include :<br>
"This is the original C implementation of the Jack Audio Connection Kit protocol (JACK). It is under active development concurrently with jackit (JACK2)"<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I'll do this like this, then, and propose a SPEC to my mentor, maybe today.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
It might also be a good idea to modify the jackit description to indicate that it is concurrent to jack1 as well.<br>
And maybe rename it to jack2, if it is not too complicated ?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>I guess the maintainer of this package will have to do this. I'll search for his email.<br>Thanks all.<br><br>Jehan<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
We could always use provides to accommodate packages requiring JACK.<br>
<br>
Just some suggestions ...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
-- <br>
André<br>
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