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<B>finid at linuxbsdos.com</B>
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<I>Tue Feb 19 13:51:53 CET 2013</I>
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On 2013-02-19 11:45, Robert Fox wrote:
><i> On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 12:35 +0100, Guillaume Rousse wrote:
</I>>><i> Le 19/02/2013 12:20, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">finid at linuxbsdos.com</A> a écrit :
</I>>><i> > If that's how you feel about having a program like DenyHosts
</I>>><i> running by
</I>>><i> > default, do you feel the same way about having a firewall running
</I>>><i> and
</I>>><i> > configured out of the box.
</I>>><i> >
</I>>><i> > Is a firewall a sysadmin's or packager's choice?
</I>>><i> A sysadmin choice. Pushing always more stuff 'by default' doesn't
</I>>><i> help
</I>>><i> users to make educated choices.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> On one hand I agree, on the other hand - we want a distribution which
</I>><i> simply works and common choices are made (like which firewall) from
</I>><i> the
</I>><i> distro side - a good enough Sysadmin can then change to his/her
</I>><i> liking
</I>><i> afterwards. This is more or less a distro "philosophy" question, but
</I>><i> look why "Mint" has become so popular - because many choices are made
</I>><i> upfront for the user - yet the flexibility is in the system (and
</I>><i> enough
</I>><i> packages) for an advanced user to change them!
</I>><i>
</I>><i> As long as the default settings are documented upfront - I see no
</I>><i> issue
</I>><i> in making such a decision on behalf of the "average" user - and
</I>><i> making a
</I>><i> more security robust distribution.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> BTW, there is no Mageia package for BlockHosts - but fail2ban and
</I>><i> DenyHosts there are packages . . .
</I>><i>
</I>
This is the point that many distro devs don't seem to understand.
People want a system that just works. Have you observed that Macs are
very popular with geeks, that is, the guys who can mess with a system in
and out. Why?
How did Ubuntu and Mint become so popular? That's right, they just
work. All the sane options have been pre-selected.
I once had a discussion with a dev who did not want to have the updates
manager's icon in the systray because he did not want to clutter that
part of the panel.
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finid
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