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<H1>[Mageia-dev] Logging + Provides/Requires (Re: [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl)</H1>
<B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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<I>Fri Feb 8 11:31:42 CET 2013</I>
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<PRE>'Twas brillig, and AL13N at 07/02/13 18:43 did gyre and gimble:
><i> Op donderdag 7 februari 2013 15:10:43 schreef Guillaume Rousse:
</I>>><i> Le 07/02/2013 14:40, Colin Guthrie a écrit :
</I>>>><i> Is anyone against the name "system-logger"? If so I'll update things
</I>>>><i> accordingly. Other name suggestions welcome.
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</I>>><i> Fine with me.
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</I>><i> that's fine.
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OK, so before I make the changes can we decide on the general process:
Q) Will we make persistent disk-based journals optional?
Yes: Makes it harder to ask a consistent question to extract debug.
No: Some people will moan.
To counter the no we can just say: "Just do 'rm -rf /var/log/journal'
and do that again if we issue updates to the systemd package." Not crazy
elegant, but at least then it's the exception rather than the rule.
Anyway, the reason I ask this question is that because basesystem
requires systemd, and as systemd would be the package providing
system-logger, there hardly seems any point in adding system-logger in
the first place. It would only really make sense if we made it optional.
In all other cases where apps don't strictly need a syslog (i.e.
fail2ban may be an exception), they should probably just drop the
requires on syslog-daemon. It's not like you could boot it without
systemd anyway ;)
So what do you think now? Yes or no for forcing disk-based journal logs?
Col
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