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<H1>[Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl</H1>
<B>Colin Guthrie</B>
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<PRE>'Twas brillig, and David Walser at 07/02/13 15:35 did gyre and gimble:
><i> --- On Thu, 2/7/13, Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>> wrote:
</I>>><i> From: Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>>
</I>>><i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] [RFC] rsyslog vs journalctl
</I>>><i> To: "Mageia development mailing-list" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>>
</I>>><i> Cc: "David Walser" <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">luigiwalser at yahoo.com</A>>
</I>>><i> Date: Thursday, February 7, 2013, 4:56 AM
</I>>><i> 'Twas brillig, and David Walser at
</I>>><i> 06/02/13 18:28 did gyre and gimble:
</I>>>><i> Colin Guthrie <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">mageia at ...</A>> writes:
</I>>>>><i> Oh, for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think there
</I>>><i> is any argument that
</I>>>>><i> would suggest the removal from the repositories or
</I>>><i> obsoletion of rsyslog
</I>>>>><i> or syslog-ng etc.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> I agree, and that's consistent with what you've said in
</I>>><i> the past. I thought
</I>>>><i> it was odd that the idea of obsoleting them came up
</I>>><i> yesterday in the packager
</I>>>><i> meeting, but it did. The main reason was wanting
</I>>><i> to know if rsyslog should
</I>>>><i> still be on the DVD, in case of users using it to
</I>>><i> upgrade from Mageia 2.
</I>>>><i>
</I>>>><i> It may be the case that not upgrading that particular
</I>>><i> package during the DVD
</I>>>><i> upgrade won't *break* anything and it can just be
</I>>><i> upgraded after the system
</I>>>><i> is booted and urpmi sources are added, in which case it
</I>>><i> doesn't *need* to be
</I>>>><i> on the DVD. Otherwise, we should make sure it's
</I>>><i> on there.
</I>>><i>
</I>>><i> What I guess we could to to avoid putting rsyslog on the
</I>>><i> physical media
</I>>><i> would be to put a versioned conflicts in the main systemd
</I>>><i> package with
</I>>><i> rsyslog and syslog-ng. Thus the old packages should be
</I>>><i> removed when
</I>>><i> upgrading (AIUI).
</I>><i>
</I>><i> I don't agree with unexpectedly forcibly removing it from people's systems.
</I>><i>
</I>><i> Do we even know if it hurts anything to leave the mga2 package installed for a few minutes?
</I>
rsyslog and it's packaging in relation to systemd has certainly changed
a lot... dunno exactly how much harm it would do but it would be a
combination we'd need to cover in QA to make sure.
Better if it can just be avoided if possible (i.e. include it on the
physical media for now).
Col
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