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<H1>[Mageia-dev] installing minimal is not really that minimal</H1>
<B>Thierry Vignaud</B>
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<I>Thu Mar 22 17:29:40 CET 2012</I>
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<PRE>On 22 March 2012 13:20, Olav Vitters <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">olav at vitters.nl</A>> wrote:
><i> I'm willing to assist when there are too big dependency chains. But, I
</I>><i> don't get why in a minimal install it installs "Suggests:"? I can
</I>><i> understand that it takes space on the DVD.
</I>
><i> But in a minimal install it
</I>><i> should ignore the Suggests, no?
</I>
This option is only available for really minimal install.
But if you select anything else, you won't have the option.
So suggests will be used.
Eg: if you select just networking stuff.
And suggests are only half the issue.
Requires hurt too, especially library-requiring-tools-that-requires...
See the infamous systemd | initscripts > lib64glib2.0_0 >
glib2.0-common > libgio > libgvfs >
libgnome-keyring > gnome-keyring > seahorse > libgpg > gnugpg > dirmngr
+ gnome-keyring > libgtk > gtk+ > colord > libcolord
+ libgvfs > libavahi > avahi
+ libgio > libfam > libgamin > gamin
+ libgio > libfuse > fuse
+seahore > libldap > openldap
They're suggests here but they're also requires
And having one gtk+ app can bring quite a lot of
stuff here b/c of:
- gvfs pulling avahi
- gio pulling gamin, fuse, gnome-keyring, gnugpg, dirmngr, seahhorse, openldap
- gtk+ pulling colord
Whereas most gtk+ apps don't need any of that.
And worse there're programs using glib for dbus (eg: systemd) but nothing
else, yet we end wio gio,gvfs,gtk+ then daemons
Some of these should be moved at top of the stack and be required
by task-foobar instead.
Any single of those was bring without the intention to hurt but
together they do hurt.
In the old days we could do a minimal install under 80M, now 525Mb is fine.
And those packages can have side effect : eg:
- avahi can prevent network to work
- too many "useless" services slow down the boot and makes mga looks
awful against other distros
- ...
><i> I think we should have something which tracks these things
</I>><i> automatically.
</I>
+1
But I've already asked for this once but got no answer.
><i> Meaning:
</I>><i> - a way to see the dependency chains over time
</I>><i>  (e.g. something which logs it per day)
</I>><i> - a way to see the size of various "targets" over time
</I>><i>  (e.g. KDE, GNOME, XFCE, minimal)
</I>><i> - an email when the size changes compared to previous day
</I>><i>  (e.g. new dependency, or maybe 100MB of documentation in some package)
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